High Five Energy Founders

The Drummer of Linkin Park Led Him to a $1B Company | Scott Dudelson, Swag Bucks

Scott Dudelson, co-founder of Prodege and Swag Bucks, reveals how a chance meeting with the drummer of Linkin Park at the Grammys led to a company he bootstrapped from his attic to a $1 billion exit — with zero VC money. THE REAL STORY: Scott never wanted a boss. He lived in an attic he couldn't stand up in, organized benefit concerts, and turned down the MBA path. A serendipitous reconnection at the 2006 Grammys connected him with his future co-founder and an idea that would evolve through multiple pivots — from charity search engines to band-branded rewards to Swag Bucks — before becoming a billion-dollar market research platform. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: ◼️ Why survival is the #1 skill in entrepreneurship ◼️ How a front-row seat at the Grammys led to a billion-dollar company ◼️ Why pivoting with data — not ego — separates winners from losers ◼️ How mommy bloggers became the secret growth engine for Swag Bucks ◼️ Why bootstrapping to $100M before raising a dollar made all the difference ◼️ The Chuck Davis story: how one champion transformed the business ◼️ Why knowing what you don't know is a founder superpower ◼️ How concert photography became his version of meditation ABOUT SCOTT DUDELSON: Scott Dudelson is the co-founder of Prodege (Swag Bucks), which he bootstrapped from his attic to over $100M in revenue before it was acquired by private equity for over $1 billion in 2021. He's also one of the world's most published live music photographers, having captured everyone from Kendrick Lamar to Paul McCartney. One of 18 founders featured in High Five Energy. GET THE BOOK: 📖 High Five Energy: A Different Kind of Founder features 18 visionary founders behind $200B+ in exits. Available wherever books are sold: https://a.co/d/iJlOfaq LISTEN ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS: 🎥 YouTube: / @h5efounders 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0eNPRGMGN1MM7S5bYy31Y8 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/high-five-energy-founders/id1872142713 🎧 Everywhere you listen to podcasts CONNECT: 🌐 Website: jeffreychernick.com 📸 Instagram: @H5EFounders 📸 Host: @jeffreychernick 💼 LinkedIn: / jeffrey-chernick ABOUT THE HOST: Jeffrey Chernick is Managing Partner at Yellow Visor Ventures, and author of High Five Energy. He's a 3x founder (RideAmigos, Vyng - 20M+ downloads) with 20+ years building companies. Featured in TechCrunch, Forbes, NBC, LA Times. #entrepreneurship  #startups #founder #venturecapital #swagbucks #bootstrapped #billiondollarexit #prodege #scottdudelson #linkinpark #highfiveenergy #bootstrappedstartup #startuppivot #founderstory #startupadvice #buildabusiness #novcmoney #entrepreneurpodcast #livemusicphotography #startupstory

He Timed 10 Exits for $500M. Here's the One Thing He'd Tell Every Founder.

Fred Krueger is one of the most prominent Bitcoin maximalists on the internet — and a Stanford PhD with 10 successful exits totaling over $500M. In this episode he says something that will surprise you — AI is bigger than Bitcoin, bigger than the internet, and the only thing founders should be focused on right now. Fred left Wall Street at 32 after trading bonds at Salomon Brothers with a billion-dollar balance sheet and no transferable skills. He moved to North Carolina with his brother, bought Windows for Dummies, and built one of the first paint programs for Windows — accidentally inventing Photoshop layers in the process. What followed was 30 years of riding waves: Windows, consumer internet, and now Bitcoin and AI. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: Why "timing is everything" and how to spot the wave before everyone else does How Fred negotiated from $10M to $15M (then the stock doubled to $30M) by being willing to walk away The near-death experience every founder should expect before their exit Why most entrepreneurs quit too early — and the one mindset that keeps you in the game Fred's take on AI: why small teams will win, and why you should spend all your time there right now Why Bitcoin is bigger than the internet — and what tokenization means for founders TIMESTAMPS: 01:27 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=87s] From Quant to Startup Leap 05:06 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=306s] Building Matisse on Windows 06:38 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=398s] Inventing Layers and Shipping 08:06 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=486s] Marketing and Distribution Hacks 13:38 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=818s] Selling the Company 15:32 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=932s] Negotiation and Founder Mindset 19:46 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=1186s] Project Two and Java Hype 23:42 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=1422s] Vignette Lifeline and Big Outcome 27:35 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=1655s] Luck Versus Timing 31:36 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=1896s] Dotcom Wave And Iwin 34:23 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=2063s] Crash And Quick Merger 38:20 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=2300s] Golden Age Of AI 42:11 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=2531s] AI Use Cases And Demos 45:11 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=2711s] Bitcoin And Tokenization 55:13 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6shS8x3u3Y&t=3313s] Closing Thoughts ABOUT FRED KRUEGER: Fred Krueger is a Stanford PhD mathematician who went from prop trading at Salomon Brothers to building 10 companies with 10 successful exits totaling over $500M. His first company co-invented Photoshop layers before selling to Macromedia. He's now a prominent Bitcoin advocate and AI builder. GET THE BOOK: 📖 High Five Energy: A Different Kind of Founder features 18 visionary founders behind $200B+ in exits. Available wherever books are sold: https://a.co/d/iJlOfaq [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbG5QWXdTcFdxQWVwZjVrSDVLZ3d3SnRlNWFvQXxBQ3Jtc0trU2xQZWlXS1QyX29xZHIxY3k1WEtEUl9GTUx2U2hhRUR2YzQ2R0NNT2lCTnJSUm9SdWU4aVJ4MlphV003YVNQOUo3Q0Y5VUJaYWdMSkQwN0o5bDcxeTdjY0l6ZzdqamY0ZzFfZHRpbmF6bE82WHpWWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fa.co%2Fd%2FiJlOfaq&v=i6shS8x3u3Y] LISTEN ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS: 🎥 YouTube: @H5EFounders 🎧 Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbTZ5dFA1Z2pYT19vV1hPdENiaHRmYlpGUzdPUXxBQ3Jtc0trbFBiZWl2cGpIZ3Z3VWg5RU1MRWFGO

Jessica Jackley: $3 Billion in Loans that Changed The World (Kiva Co-Founder)

Jessica Jackley, Co-Founder of Kiva, reveals: How a $3,100 pilot with 7 friends in Uganda became $3 billion in micro loans — and why she never set out to be an entrepreneur. THE REAL STORY: Jessica wasn't chasing a startup. She stumbled into a lecture about microfinance, moved to East Africa with no plan, and spent months interviewing borrowers living on a few dollars a day. What she heard changed everything. She and her co-founder Matt launched Kiva with a self-written press release, no PR budget, and a handful of Ugandan entrepreneurs who needed a few hundred dollars. Within weeks, blogs were writing about it. Within a year, they'd facilitated $500K in loans. Kiva is now closing in on $3 billion — with a 99% repayment rate across 90+ countries. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: - Why entrepreneurship is "the pursuit of opportunity without regard to resources currently controlled" — and why that definition changes everything - How $3,100 and 7 borrowers in Uganda became one of the most impactful platforms in the world - Why she teaches a class specifically designed to debunk Silicon Valley's "mono-myth" of startup success - The "Design for People First" framework that built Kiva — and still guides her work at USC - What happened when she built her second startup pregnant with twins — and an investor blogged about it - Her take on AI, intentionality, and why she doesn't want her 5-year-old learning to write prompts TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Entrepreneurship Redefined 03:46 Stanford Social Innovation 06:08 Discovering Microfinance 09:45 East Africa Fieldwork 12:09 Kiva Idea Takes Shape 14:47 Pilot to Viral Launch 17:07 Repayment and Impact 21:03 How Kiva Tells Stories 24:14 Disregard the Blockers 26:50 Everybody Poops Mindset 28:43 Purpose and Priorities 30:36 Choosing How to Use AI 36:48 Breadcrumbs and Attention 42:40 Advice for Aspiring Founders ABOUT JESSICA JACKLEY: Jessica Jackley is the co-founder of Kiva, the world's first peer-to-peer micro-lending platform, which has facilitated over $3 billion in loans across 90+ countries with a 99% repayment rate. She is a professor of Social Entrepreneurship and Design Thinking at USC, an investor, and an advocate for mission-driven entrepreneurship. GET THE #1 AMAZON NEW RELEASE BOOK:  📖 High Five Energy: A Different Kind of Founder features 18 visionary founders behind $200B+ in exits. Available wherever books are sold: https://a.co/d/iJlOfaq LISTEN ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS: 🎥 YouTube: / @h5efounders 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0eNPRGM... 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/hi... 🎧 Everywhere you listen to podcasts CONNECT: 🌐 Website: jeffreychernick.com 📸 Instagram: @H5EFounders 📸 Host: @jeffreychernick 💼 LinkedIn: / jeffrey-chernick ABOUT THE HOST: Jeffrey Chernick is Managing Partner at Yellow Visor Ventures, and author of High Five Energy. He's a 3x founder (RideAmigos, Vyng - 20M+ downloads) with 20+ years building companies. Featured in TechCrunch, Forbes, NBC, LA Times. #kiva #microfinance #socialentrepreneurship #entrepreneurship #founders

Raised $1.5B by Listening, Not Pitching (16x Founder)

Eric Pulier, 16x founder who has raised over $1.5 billion, reveals: He didn't pitch his way to $1.5B — he listened. The most successful companies don't come from brilliant innovation. They come from conversations with people who have real problems. From being named one of the Wall Street Journal's "Top 20 Money Losers in America" to fighting the DOJ, SEC, and NSA simultaneously, Eric shares the mindset shifts that turned catastrophic failure into serial entrepreneurship. THE REAL STORY: At rock bottom, Eric's marriage ended. He lost more money than he had. He was raising four kids — three not yet potty trained — while trying to rebuild from scratch. He'd wake at 4am, swim in pitch-black ocean, then go to the parking lot and cry before going back inside to keep building. "If I'm gonna spend this much energy feeling sorry for myself, I could put that same energy into joy and play." That mindset shift changed everything. WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: - Why the most successful companies come from conversations, not "aha moments" - How to collaborate with people who have real problems (and get them to pay you to solve it) - The pivot from victim to creator — turning depression into creativity - Why Eric believes AGI is 18 months away and what that means for founders - How he fought the DOJ, SEC, and NSA for 5 years — and won on every count - "Ship baby ship" — why getting off PowerPoint has never been more important - The difference between pitching for acceptance vs. expressing with certainty TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Eric's Journey 03:20 Innovative Business Models 04:31 The Rise of Digital Evolution 05:49 Navigating the Internet Boom 08:59 Lessons from Open Source and APIs 09:24 The Future of Cloud and Hybrid Solutions 09:56 Personal Reflections and High Five Energy 17:29 The Vision for Digital Identity and Tokenization 22:22 Facing Financial and Personal Turmoil 25:10 Building New Ventures 26:03 Controversy and Legal Battles 27:49 Emerging Victorious 30:17 Reflections on Identity and Purpose 35:29 The Impact of AI on Entrepreneurship 43:39 Conscious Entrepreneurship 45:22 Advice for Aspiring Entrepreneurs ABOUT ERIC PULIER: 16x founder. $1.5B+ raised. Built companies across every major tech wave from web browsers to cloud to blockchain to AI. Acquired by VMware, salesforce, and others. Creator of one of the first NFTs. Currently building at the intersection of AI, tokenization, and self-sovereign identity. GET THE BOOK: 📖 High Five Energy: A Different Kind of Founder features 18 visionary founders behind $200B+ in exits. Available wherever books are sold: https://a.co/d/iJlOfaq LISTEN ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS: 🎥 YouTube: / @h5efounders 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0eNPRGMGN1MM7S5bYy31Y8 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/high-five-energy-founders/id1872142713 🎧 Everywhere you listen to podcasts CONNECT: 🌐 Website: jeffreychernick.com 📸 Instagram: @H5EFounders 📸 Host: @jeffreychernick 💼 LinkedIn: / jeffrey-chernick ABOUT THE HOST: Jeffrey Chernick is Managing Partner at Yellow Visor Ventures, and author of High Five Energy. He's a 3x founder (RideAmigos, Vyng - 20M+ downloads) with 20+ years building companies. Featured in TechCrunch, Forbes, NBC, LA Times. #entrepreneurship #startups #founder #AI #AGI #venturecapital #innovation #mindset #ericpulier #16xfounder

Darren Berkovitz: How to Build a $230M Company Nobody's Heard Of

Darren Berkovitz, co-founder of TeleSign ($230M exit to BICS), reveals: The real money is in solving boring problems nobody wants to talk about. From living at home with zero external validation to protecting every major internet platform on the planet — clients paying $2 million a month — Darren built a 12-year overnight success in the unsexy world of SMS security and two-factor authentication. THE REAL STORY: Before the $230M exit, Darren spent three years hearing nothing but "no." He was living at home. No external validation. People told him to get a job. His first product lost 17 cents per transaction. But when Craigslist gave him a shot and TeleSign cut their fraud by 99% overnight — everything changed. "Find your Craigslist. Find someone who doesn't mind taking a chance on a startup." WHAT YOU'LL LEARN: - Why "boring" B2B problems are where the real money hides — and why less competition is your advantage - How TeleSign sent 30,000 cold emails per WEEK to build an enterprise sales machine with zero inbound leads - The FanDuel horror story: Why founders sold for $500M and got ZERO (liquidation preferences explained) - Why Darren coaches entrepreneurs NOT to raise VC money — and when you should - The mental health crisis nobody talks about: anxiety, depression, and a fellow CEO's suicide - How one unsigned inventions agreement nearly torpedoed a Series A - Why every single thing must be memorialized in writing — especially equity TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 Introduction to Entrepreneurial Challenges 04:10 The Birth of Two-Factor Authentication 07:28 Cold Emails and the Craigslist Breakthrough 09:23 Navigating Industry Challenges 12:13 Dealing with Outages and Security Issues 15:53 Building and Scaling the Team 17:15 Equity and Co-Founder Dynamics 28:30 VC Funding vs. Bootstrapping 30:29 The Cost of Testing Business Ideas 31:08 Hacks for Early-Stage Startups 32:02 The Reality of Raising Money 34:40 The Importance of Networking and Press 39:31 The Acquisition Journey 44:19 Mental Health in Entrepreneurship 46:58 Challenges in Recruiting and Product Development 59:13 The Importance of Documentation 01:03:10 Final Thoughts and Advice ABOUT DARREN BERKOVITZ: Co-founder of TeleSign, the company that pioneered SMS-based two-factor authentication. TeleSign protects the world's largest internet platforms and was acquired by BICS (Belgium's largest telecom subsidiary) for $230M in 2017. Darren is now an angel investor, mentor at USC's accelerator program, and serial entrepreneur building his next ventures while coaching the next generation of founders. GET THE BOOK: 📖 High Five Energy: A Different Kind of Founder features 18 visionary founders behind $200B+ in exits. Available wherever books are sold: https://a.co/d/iJlOfaq LISTEN ON ALL PODCAST PLATFORMS: 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@H5EFounders 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0eNPRGMGN1MM7S5bYy31Y8 🎧 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/podcast/high-five-energy-founders/id1872142713 🎧 Everywhere you listen to podcasts CONNECT: 🌐 Website: jeffreychernick.com 📸 Instagram: @H5EFounders 📸 Host: @jeffreychernick 💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-chernick/ ABOUT THE HOST: Jeffrey Chernick is Managing Partner at Yellow Visor Ventures, and author of High Five Energy. He's a 3x founder (RideAmigos, Vyng - 20M+ downloads) with 20+ years building companies. Featured in TechCrunch, Forbes, NBC, LA Times. #entrepreneurship #startups #B2B #telesign #cybersecurity #twofactor #founders #venturecapital #bootstrap #exit #acquisition #mentalheath #founders