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Five with Fry

Podcast by Dr. Jen Fry

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Five with Fry is your go-to podcast for understanding conflict—where it comes from, why it shows up, and how to handle it with clarity and intention. On each episode, Dr. Jen Fry breaks down the moments we avoid, the reactions we default to, and the skills it takes to move through conflict without blowing things up or shutting down.

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S3 Ep8: Coming Back on Monday From a Retreat That Actually Works

A retreat can feel productive while it is happening. People talk more honestly. The tension lowers. The team gets a little space from the pressure of the regular schedule. But if leaders have not named the real problem before the agenda is built, the team usually comes back to the same habits on Monday. Jen closes this season by walking through what actually makes a retreat useful: clear purpose, behavioral goals, timing that interrupts old patterns, and enough structure for conflict to become part of the work instead of a complaint session. Fun can help people breathe. It cannot carry the conversations leaders have been avoiding. This episode also gets into psychological safety, accountability, and the guardrails teams need if they are going to be honest with each other without letting harm or avoidance run the room. The work does not end when the retreat ends. It shows up in decision-making, meeting habits, follow-through, and whether leaders keep the hard things visible after everyone is back at work. If you are planning a retreat or team session between July and September and want help designing it with more purpose, visit jenfrytalks.com.

19 May 2026 - 5 min
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S3 Ep7: A Retreat Isn’t Success Until Hard Conversations Continue On Monday

A retreat can give people enough space to finally say the thing out loud. That matters. But naming the conflict is not the same as resolving it. In this episode, Jen talks about what happens when teams come back from a retreat with good conversations, more connection, maybe even more honesty, but no real plan for what changes next. The same conflict shows back up because stress shows back up. Urgency shows back up. Old patterns show back up. And if the team has not decided how they will keep working through those patterns, people start to wonder whether the retreat actually changed anything. Jen names why recurring conflict is often an unfinished conversation problem, not a broken people problem. She talks about what teams need after the retreat: continued conversations, clearer expectations, accountability, emotional management, and behavior changes people can actually see.

12 May 2026 - 6 min
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S3 Ep6: A Retreat Can’t Carry What Leaders Avoid

A retreat can’t carry everything leadership has been avoiding. When leaders wait until everyone is in the room to finally name the real issues, the retreat starts from defense instead of honesty. People are surprised. They get guarded. And now the thing that should have been part of an ongoing conversation becomes the thing everyone has to manage for the next two days. This episode is about the conversations leaders avoid before retreats: peer accountability, performance gaps, role confusion, decision authority, and trust that has been wearing down over time. Because if leaders are holding everyone else accountable but not each other, people notice. If no one knows who owns the work, things get dropped. If decisions are made by habit instead of clarity, people keep passing the buck. The work is to say it earlier. Say it clearly. Prepare people for the conversation instead of surprising them with it once they arrive. A retreat should help a team keep moving through the hard work, not become the first place leadership finally says what has been true for months.

5 May 2026 - 6 min
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S3 Ep5: You Can’t Call It Safe Without Accountability

Calling a retreat a safe space is only the beginning. If leaders have not decided what accountability looks like inside that space, people are being asked to trust a promise that may not hold once someone gets uncomfortable. That matters, because hard conversations do not just create honesty. They can also create defensiveness, raised voices, table-slapping, cursing, dismissal, and emotional reactions that make other people decide they are done speaking. In this episode, Jen talks about psychological safety through the lens of accountability. Before leaders ask people to name what is hard, they need to prepare for the what-if moments. What if a supervisor gets defensive? What if a high performer shuts someone down? What if someone crosses a line in front of the whole group? Who steps in? What happens next? How quickly does it happen? A retreat cannot create real movement if safety depends on everyone behaving perfectly on their own. People need to know the standard before the conversation starts, and they need to see that standard held when it matters. That is how accountability and psychological safety sit together, and that is what makes a retreat more than a temporary reset.

28 Apr 2026 - 6 min
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S3 Ep4: Your Offsite Doesn’t Need More Trust Falls

Most retreats promise alignment and come-home energy, yet teams often return to the same old friction by Monday. We open the curtain on why that happens and make a bold case: conflict isn’t a problem to avoid at an offsite, it’s the work that makes the investment pay off. When you treat conflict as data, you expose misalignment, clarify expectations, and rebuild trust in a way that rah-rah moments never will. We break down the cost of silence—lost innovation, stalled growth, and fading retention—and explain how unspoken resentment quietly taxes every meeting and decision. Then we shift from theory to practice: what it means to “go to the smoke,” how to replace open-ended venting with facilitated structure, and why norms, prompts, and decision protocols transform heat into movement. You’ll hear how to spot the difference between a values clash, a resource gap, and a process failure, and how that precision creates faster, safer decisions. This conversation offers a blueprint for conflict literacy that any team can use. We walk through designing a retreat that surfaces the issues everyone tiptoes around, holds the tension long enough to learn, and leaves with clear agreements that actually change Monday. If your culture feels stuck, if your offsites keep resetting instead of transforming, or if leaders seem allergic to hard conversations, this is your field guide to turn a retreat into a true turning point. If you’re planning an offsite or bringing in a facilitator, share this episode with your team and reach out to book us. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what’s the one conversation your team needs to have next?

21 Apr 2026 - 5 min
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