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How We Escaped

Podcast by Rob Drake

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About How We Escaped

How We Escaped is a podcast about leaving and becoming. Our compelling interviews highlight the quiet decisions, the breaking points, and the brave exits that changed everything—and will inspire others to take control of their own lives. Visit www.HowWeEscaped.com for more episodes.

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10 episodes

episode We Are Not Alone - Mini Episode - A Brief Chat with Ufologist Kathleen Marden artwork

We Are Not Alone - Mini Episode - A Brief Chat with Ufologist Kathleen Marden

Kathleen Marden joins me for this mini episode to discuss how UFO research has evolved since the landmark Betty and Barney Hill abduction case of 1961. She shares what it takes to become a UFO investigator and we explore whether we're getting closer to uncovering the truth about extraterrestrial life and unidentified aerial phenomena — especially in light of President Trump's executive order to declassify top secret UFO files. If you haven't heard our episode on the Betty and Barney Hill UFO Abduction, please click here [https://open.spotify.com/episode/0Xu7epzDFOQtjHjAeKoVbP?go=1&sp_cid=29ad234b7003c9a820a15b969492d6cf&utm_source=embed_player_p&utm_medium=desktop] to listen to it now. Click here [https://www.kathleen-marden.com/] to visit Kathleen Marden's website. Click here [https://HowWeEscaped.com] to visit the How We Escaped Website. Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/howweescaped/] Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/people/How-We-Escaped/61585365360561/] Youtube [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqcsYitrOCmL4pRq6WjMHcA] Music credits and licenses are here. [https://howweescaped.com/music-credits-how-we-escaped-podcast/] A special thanks to Kevin Mcleod for his awesome collection of music which you can see at http://incompetech.com./

14 May 2026 - 9 min
episode Abducted! The Betty & Barney Hill UFO Story artwork

Abducted! The Betty & Barney Hill UFO Story

What really happened on that New Hampshire  dirt road in 1961? Kathleen Marden — niece of Betty Hill and leading UFO researcher — joins us to unpack one of the most investigated and contested UFO abuction cases in history. Drawing from her book and a lifetime of personal access to her aunt’s testimony, letters, and memories, Kathleen shares details that never made the headlines — and why she believes the Hills’ account deserves to be taken seriously. If you’ve ever been curious, skeptical, or simply fascinated by the unknown, this conversation will leave you questioning what you thought you knew. --------------------------------------------------------- Kathleen's Book (Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience): https://amzn.to/4d1h2ty [https://amzn.to/4d1h2ty] Kathleen's Website: Kathleen-Marden.com [Kathleen-Marden.com] The How We Escaped Podcast Website: HowWeEscaped.com [HowWeEscaped.com] Music Credits: Please click here [https://howweescaped.com/music-credits-how-we-escaped-podcast/]with a special thanks to Kevin Mcleod Sound Effects: Space Interferance by LaurenPonder -- https://freesound.org/s/635663/ -- License: Creative Commons 0 ufo_atmosphere.wav by Erratic -- https://freesound.org/s/235/ -- License: Creative Commons 0 Tv_radio_static.wav by OwennewO -- https://freesound.org/s/524109/ -- License: Creative Commons 0

8 May 2026 - 1 h 22 min
episode Mini Episode with Amanda Briggs - Working in the IBLP Training Centers artwork

Mini Episode with Amanda Briggs - Working in the IBLP Training Centers

In ⁠Episode 7 (Burning the Cabbage Patch Kids),⁠ [https://howweescaped.com/amanda-briggs-duggar-iblp-gothard-cabbage-patch/] Amanda shared her story of growing up in the world of Bill Gothard and the Institute in Basic Life Principles (IBLP). In this mini episode, she shares a story that was cut for time in Episode 7—about her time working in IBLP training centers, from Oak Brook, Illinois, to the Northwoods of Michigan’s Upper Peninsula. You can listen to Amanda's podcast - The Cult I Left Behind - ⁠here⁠ [https://open.spotify.com/show/1oNHYt9VaYLXZKMKeLl01p]. Amanda's website is ⁠here⁠ [https://firstpointstrategies.com/]. Visit ⁠HowWeEscaped.com⁠ [https://HowWeEscaped.com] for more episodes. Credits: "Ether Vox" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "ComfortableMystery 3" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Escape to a Peaceful World with Sunny Dream: A warm, Relaxation Song by kjartan_abel --https://freesound.org/s/532935/ -- License: Attribution 4.0 Please note that AI generated images may be used in some of our episode cover art

23 Apr 2026 - 6 min
episode Burning the Cabbage Patch Kids - Growing Up in the World of Bill Gothard and IBLP artwork

Burning the Cabbage Patch Kids - Growing Up in the World of Bill Gothard and IBLP

In this episode, I interview Amanda Briggs, co-host of The Cult I Left Behind, about her childhood inside IBLP — the controlling fundamentalist organization led by Bill Gothard and tied to the Duggar family. Amanda shares jaw-dropping stories of growing up under its fear-driven rules, including being made to burn her Cabbage Patch dolls in a backyard barrel and enduring years of abuse. Listener discretion is advised. You can listen to Amanda's podcast - The Cult I Left Behind - here [https://open.spotify.com/show/1oNHYt9VaYLXZKMKeLl01p]. Amanda's website is here [https://firstpointstrategies.com/]. Visit HowWeEscaped.com [https://HowWeEscaped.com] for more episodes. Credits: AI was used to generate the cover image. "SpringThaw" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License "TranquilityBase" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License "SpacialHarvest" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 Despair andTriumph" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License  "Rites"Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Crypto"Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/  "Rites"Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/  "Thunderbird"Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/  "Dragon and Toast" Kevin MacLeod(incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/]  "March of the Mind" Kevin MacLeod(incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/] "Colorless Aura" Kevin MacLeod(incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/]  "Garden Music" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/] "Promises to Keep" Kevin MacLeod(incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/] "Water Lily" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/]  "Reawakening" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/] "Sardana" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/] "Leaving Home" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/] "Concentration"Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Heart of Nowhere" Kevin MacLeod(incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/] "Decisions" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ “Ether Vox” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ “ComfortableMystery 3” Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Beautiful AmbientMelody by PatrickLieberkind — https://freesound.org/s/341541/ — License: Attribution 4.0 Brief Cabbage Patch music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRhc5Pima10 Escape to a Peaceful World with Sunny Dream: A warm, Relaxation Song by kjartan_abel --https://freesound.org/s/532935/ -- License: Attribution 4.0

17 Apr 2026 - 1 h 30 min
episode In the Wolf's Den: Ten Years Inside a Canadian Cult artwork

In the Wolf's Den: Ten Years Inside a Canadian Cult

Alexandra Amor spent nearly a decade inside a high-control group in Vancouver, Canada — one that began, innocently enough, as a meditation class. In this episode, Alexandra recounts how a charismatic Austrian leader named Limori slowly tightened her grip on the group's members, manipulating their relationships and decisions. Drawing from her memoir, Cult: A Love Story, Alexandra traces her years within the group and the long road that eventually led her to freedom. Alexandra's Book: https://amzn.to/4v4zB73 [https://amzn.to/4v4zB73] Show Website: HowWeEscaped.com [https://HowWeEscaped.com] ------------------------------------------------- Credits: AI was used to generate the cover image. Escape to a Peaceful World with Sunny Dream by kjartan_abel --https://freesound.org/s/532935/ -- License: Attribution 4.0 "Lightless Dawn" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Bittersweet" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Rites" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Thunderbird" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Concentration" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Crypto" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Soaring" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Shores of Avalon" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Spacial Harvest" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Private Reflection" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Come Play with Me" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Despair and Triumph" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Anguish" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Rumination" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Tranquility Base" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Almost Bliss" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Morning" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Mesmerize" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Dark Fog" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "Ether Vox" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed underCreative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ "ComfortableMystery 3" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com) Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ Beautiful AmbientMelody by PatrickLieberkind -- https://freesound.org/s/341541/ -- License: Attribution 4.0

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