From The Marginlands
A young person once asked: why care about nature when people are dying in Gaza? Environmental historian Mahesh Rangarajan gives the long answer — why the choice between people and the planet was always false. In previous episodes of this podcast, our guests have talked to us about particular rivers, forests, seasons, environmental fissures. This time, we take the whole arc. Environmental historian Mahesh Rangarajan joins Arati Kumar-Rao and Prem Panicker for a conversation that runs from forest kingdoms that trained elephants for war, to the steam engine that made England the workshop of the world, to a tube well draining the water table under a field in Rajasthan tonight. History, he argues, isn't a museum. It's a diagnostic tool — a way of understanding how we got here, and of telling the difference between what we meant to do and what we actually did. War is about resources: land, water, plants. So is peace. There was never a wall between caring about people and caring about the earth. A conversation about the long quarrel between human beings and the rest of life on earth, and what the long view asks of us now: GUEST BIO: Mahesh Rangarajan is professor of history and environmental studies, and chair of the HDFC Archives of Contemporary India, at Ashoka University. Previously, he has taught at Cornell University, University of Delhi, Krea University and the National Centre for Biological Sciences (Bangalore). His notable works include Fencing The Forest and Nature and Nation. Along with Arupjyoti Saikia, he is co-editor of the recently released book, India's Forests. He has previous edited The Oxford Anthology of Indian Wildlife and Environmental Issues in India. Other notable co-edited works include Shifting Ground and At Nature's Edge. VIDEO TALKS: On archiving India's environmental history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rO77i6E040 India's environmental pasts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8wcFu7QfLo Why history matters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28K8Y2khCQM What history teaches us about climate and ecological crisis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usHnYRFLVSo On archiving India's environmental history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rO77i6E040 Revisiting the Anthropocene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFypZm52YBQ&t=7s History, activism and the Anthropocene: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5V4tig2pARk&t=1s Science, society and publics in 21st century India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64jnPT4mvBk Nature's pasts, nature's futures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6emo9KuAww How the tiger became Indian (and why): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KldDax2ZNlw Are India's forest tribes still left out of policy?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQs4Hii3Lwo WRITINGS AND INTERVIEWS: An extended The Hindu interview on being recognized by the American Historical Association: https://www.thehindu.com/education/an-interview-with-historian-dr-mahesh-rangarajan/article38185315.ece Mahesh Rangarajan on the colonial branding of wildlife as "dangerous beasts", and its consequences: https://www.scribd.com/document/878819385/Indias-Environmental-History-A-Reader-Mahesh-Rangarajan-Z-Library-1 An EPW piece on the debate on man-animal conflict in India: https://www.jstor.org/stable/4404560 Mahesh Rangarajan on why mining in the Aravallis is driven not by strategic minerals, but by construction: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/aravalli-mining-not-driven-by-strategic-mineral-but-construction-demand-says-prof-mahesh-rangarajan-10446237/ Mahesh Rangarajan interview in The Hindu on the need for a working relationship between man and elephant: https://www.thehindu.com/features/metroplus/THE-SATURDAY-INTERVIEW-mdash-Jumbo-concern/article14684450.ece Mahesh Rangarajan on why India's biodiversity, surviving despite depradations, is a gift: https://www.outlookindia.com/society/green-rainbow-news-261339 Wide-ranging interview in Business Standard: https://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/lunch-with-bs-mahesh-rangarajan-115103000710_1.html The Hindu on Mahesh Rangarajan's resignation as director of the Nehru Memorial Museum: https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/NMMLs-Mahesh-Rangarajan-resignation-Mistaking-a-scholar-for-a-bureaucrat/article62119874.ece ADDITIONAL READING: Dr BR Ambedkar's November 1949 speech: https://bodhisattva.org.in/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Last-speech-of-Dr-B-R-Ambedkar-given-25-Nov-1949-English.pdf Harish Damodaran piece on the importance of millet cultivation: https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-economics/why-iran-war-monsoon-worries-could-make-2026-indias-year-of-millets-10694671/ Norman Borlaug's 1970 Nobel Prize acceptance speech: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/1970/borlaug/acceptance-speech/ Contact us: Email the Podcast [marginlands@gmail.com] Arati Kumar-Rao on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/aratikumarrao/] Prem Panicker on X (Twitter) [https://x.com/prempanicker] Prem on Substack [https://prempanicker.substack.com/] From The Marginlands on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/FromTheMarginlands]
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