Stirring Grey Spaces

Be Human

It was enlightening to spend time chatting with Dr. Kelly Kapic about humility, suffering and how to be a lover of God by embracing finitude. We explore themes of psychology and theology finding their intersections in the Christian life. I felt encouraged and lighter after this conversation. I felt like many hard and heavy aspects of life are actually quite simple as I learn and grow to be like Jesus. Faithfully, imperfectly, and beautifully human. Enjoy! Resources: A lot of books come up in this episode! The Soul of Desire by Dr. Curt Thompson [https://www.amazon.com/Soul-Desire-Discovering-Neuroscience-Community/dp/1514002108/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0] Find all of Kelly's books here as well as contact information for potential speaking gigs. [https://kellykapic.com/] When Helping Hurts by Steve Corbet and Brian Fikkert [https://www.amazon.com/When-Helping-Hurts-Alleviate-Yourself/dp/0802409989/ref=sr_1_1?crid=RSBMH66GE4KG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.gyrNjKZadLXagA7tF9RURA0BC3k4xTpjL5crsyx3u58KEGmOwjcmri4xswDEYdMyb4SBn4MGfq2wmdzrP0M7QYJEOhoh7k_pkznvYZI9BF3H9gZxPuqYAV3GdKPooLy0Ei4CZgV87ZIarHMkqCaZhTRWsUtPmb9qYh1gRhJn-zlO5weEez5LD3caYgAAH7PnmOQkL5L0AEkJBQ2MIWgTpWC1tfEN2mv-hIlXaDC4Teo.Y62i_M0MWW4G72KxJb1mhMPGpuKT_OonMRB7XpoqZxM&dib_tag=se&keywords=when+helping+hurts&qid=1775777085&s=books&sprefix=when+helping+hurt%2Cstripbooks%2C146&sr=1-1] Make Sense of Your Story by Adam Young [https://www.amazon.com/Make-Sense-Your-Story-Everything/dp/B0DW56GT9J/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1QCY42O1J7POB&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.PteFqWEt4MRXYpUsh0crZ21DwTyooYueVYYt1uloW4d_4jRnlR6wmSanjSl3j6UvRM-GPiw-hD63vJHjKOACSGjiGjcubFrfgUnw-z7HuVuC77RuvpBoeNKZjFFyDgwQQqwBkr1aP-cVXCKX_RU92B2KyJi5311OPeC4AgaDyBdi_USqSvG5lnSD-uwL7dcrzXRF26JeeL3POp0Hg8DgouSSqBiuWsn8J7o0hQ1CRA0.fNFu3ysITnUb6aWvDVsiSI3ZBXWXJbwDOXz9wbsJ_Ew&dib_tag=se&keywords=adam+young+make+sense+of+your+story&qid=1775777179&s=books&sprefix=adam+young%2Cstripbooks%2C150&sr=1-1] Kid's Say the Darnedest Things is the title of the episode with my kids. I couldn't remember what I titled it in while recording so here it is! [https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/leah1017/episodes/Kids-Say-the-Darnedest-Things-e2t7pdl] Kelly mentions our mutual friend Dr. Scott Jones. [https://covenant.edu/academics/bible/faculty/jones.html]

Katie Polski: You Are a Child of God

Katie is a 5th generation pastor's wife, a worship director, author, and a pioneer for Wives of Elders in the PCA. We use some denominational jargon which I'll attempt to clarify in the resources. Talking with Katie is like taking a deep breath during a stressful day. She has experienced grief and suffering while serving the local church. She talks about holding these roles simultaneously and how she has grown and learned along the way. ENJOY!!! Resources CDM [https://pcacdm.org/]: the PCA's discipleship ministry WE [https://women.pcacdm.org/we/?_ga=2.5715763.1630662636.1774619770-1439178048.1773334961]: cdm has a ministry for Wives of Elders, both ruling and teaching elders in the PCA Front Porch Circle [frontporchcircle.com]: an organization which provides emotional and relational support for pastors' wives through group processing and individual sessions Beyond the Back Row: [https://www.amazon.com/s?k=beyond+the+back+row+katie+polski&crid=1UGQY32QLM2BG&sprefix=beyond+the+back+row%2Caps%2C163&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-expert-pd-ops-ranker_2_19] Rediscovering the Beauty of the Local Church for Your Family  by Katie Polski You Are a Child of God: [https://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Child-God-Grace-Filled/dp/1645076075/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3CK332EEEY8ZY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.fZUMWM8sszX-Y5DKrLbaBc5njpsblpxtAPDJk8rZqQ1KjCjPPz-WADCJVpsLaEsiy3wPn1w9JLcSDc9uD-sjRdK180M6_DmQxt_3mCkkb1r1Y1CVYafy0qb5XlXyDpC4nIWa1psbic3GPPkf9t3xIjRHKG4OESGnAwGlQaj0vCHvT-J0KJtK6ba7BSRryo9oRNFSgF2zrjk896nOqgbey7g01z0RS6qSrUMBOV3n71U.pv_KQB2tR0Cc2WNLY1P3xd11ak1vrWS-Ui3hOcvZJTw&dib_tag=se&keywords=You+Are+a+Child+of+God&qid=1774620085&sprefix=you+are+a+child+of+go%2Caps%2C160&sr=8-1]Devotions for Living Your Grace-Filled Identity (Gospel Truth for Women) by Katie Polski You're Only Human [https://www.amazon.com/dp/1587435101?ref=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_90Z5Q4M7EME7N356SSM9&ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_90Z5Q4M7EME7N356SSM9&social_share=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cp_ud_dp_90Z5Q4M7EME7N356SSM9&bestFormat=true&csmig=1]: by Kelly Kapic (cannot recommend this book enough. Actually just go to Kelly's website and order everything he's written! [https://kellykapic.com/] The Return of the Prodigal Son by Henri Nouwen [https://www.amazon.com/Audible-Return-Prodigal-Son/dp/B0FDX3ZZ3Q/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1RGBFO202JMJP&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.oFtEdr4a1zjZ4DpidEULkcDGLHFR50j15MylkXih7kWp4jWP5TDuAHT5ZOHRmdZVa1x0nQJLyCswqCOu1OKZUvVoTICKtq6ojy53hAPAAacM1k_Egfhthg2oUU-Saq8TyTiKJW2wFujgPPPY6ZtVX6XhJo--FNfZ1hG90diO8jalVDy7oNPQGPG0H-y9B0rvAwwON8RrQzxkiMWeR8auYQ8T26VhGMjcKq6fi0cR3w4.FrPqq6-42JsBv4lh19QAuDncQMth4Aaxh1zZULCtEhU&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+return+of+the+prodigal+son+by+henri+nouwen&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1774620351&s=books&sprefix=return+of+the+prodig%2Cstripbooks%2C152&sr=1-1]: I mention this book in this episode and it is very good. But the book that was actually coming to mind was Life of the Beloved. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0824519868/?bestFormat=true&k=life%20of%20the%20beloved%20nouwen&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-bk-ww_k0_1_19_de&crid=1AX169TMLM8H0&sprefix=life%20of%20the%20belovedhttps://www.amazon.com/dp/0824519868/?bestFormat=true&k=life%20of%20the%20beloved%20nouwen&ref_=nb_sb_ss_w_scx-ent-bk-ww_k0_1_19_de&crid=1AX169TMLM8H0&sprefix=life%20of%20the%20beloved] You should read them both tbh!

A Texan Living East of Eden

We all have ways our humanness wreaks havoc in our lives every day. Most of us try to suppress it out of fear someone will see our weakness and be aware that we are imperfect. Or we ourselves will have to face how we are not God. Matthew O’Hearn carries the effects of a fallen world with every step. The unique way he moves through the world is a reminder to us all we are also weak. God’s faithful provision for Matthew tells a story of resilience and grace through people and places and faithfulness. We don’t have to hide behind our brokenness. It is through our finitude God shows us the completeness of His love. Without my limits I would forget He is God and I am human. Enjoy my friend of a friend and fellow obsessor of Covenant College, Matthew O’Hearn! Resources: Park Cities Presbyterian Church [https://pcpc.org/about/] Covenant College [https://covenant.edu/index.html] Not mentioned in the podcast but a good resource for those interested in caring for families with disabilities. [https://www.theguidelight.org/]

Joy and Loneliness: Our Sexuality as Image Bearers

I met Bridgett because of this podcast which seems like a milestone and a big step in podcast growth! It is rare to discuss important topics that mean a lot to us and agree with every thought or perspective. I wonder if some listeners may even feel unsettled during this episode. But if we only learn from those we completely aligned with, we will be mentally and emotional stunted Christians. I was personally spurred on toward a deeper truth by Bridgett's words. Bridgett's perspective is valuable to us all but especially to my single listeners who desire to live out their Christian values in the wild world of dating. Who both long for connection but feel handcuffed by a culture which preaches our bodies are bad and our desires are worse. Strap in listeners! Bridgett helps us ask the tough questions we're afraid to say out loud! ENJOY! Resources: Bridgett's Website with Free Resources [bridgettblood.com ] The Sex Talk You Never Got: Reclaiming the Heart of Masculine Sexuality [https://a.co/d/i4n5j9u] by Sam Jolman

Afterthoughts Part 5

HERE IT IS! My thoughts about the most recent episodes. An unintentional theme seems to keep popping up in my mind as I've chatted with you all about this season. Coming soon is a my first co-host who I met through Stirring Grey Spaces! Crazy!!! Stay tuned! Resources: I often struggle to keep straight what I've heard or read from which source but it's a safe bet my most brilliant thoughts have been gathered from one of the following: Being Known Podcast [https://www.beingknownpodcast.com/] The Place We Find Ourselves [https://adamyoungcounseling.com/podcast/] The Allender Center Podcast [https://theallendercenter.org/category/podcast/] Redeeming Heartache [https://a.co/d/gZCA7Ht] Soul of Desire, Soul of Shame, The Deepest Place [https://curtthompsonmd.com/books/] Make Sense of Your Story [https://adamyoungcounseling.com/]