A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash

Platonic Space discussion 4

This is a ~2 hours 4 minute discussion among contributors to the Platonic Space Symposium ( CHAPTERS: (00:00) Strong anticipation analogy (08:16) Relational Platonic patterns (25:06) Finite brains, infinite grammar (40:05) Beauty and compression (51:17) Searching for grammar (01:01:58) Patterns and selfhood (01:14:44) Patterns claiming territory (01:29:28) Markets shape selves (01:43:57) Scaling collective selves (01:55:47) Testing Platonic feedback PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing [https://aipodcast.ing] SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing [https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 [https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5] Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin [https://x.com/drmichaellevin] Blog: https://thoughtforms.life [https://thoughtforms.life] The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org [https://drmichaellevin.org]

Discussion #1 with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz, Carlos Gershenson-Garcia, and Richard Watson

This is a ~1 hour 5 minute discussion with Amahury Jafet Lopez Diaz ( Carlos Gershenson-Garcia ( and Richard Watson ( Stay tuned for part 2 where Amahury will present his ideas in more detail. Amahury's paper: CHAPTERS: (00:00) Common ground and stakes (06:10) Ontology of platonic space (14:50) Testing separate realms (25:52) Acid tests and metaphors (34:55) Interaction and narratives (44:20) Formal facts alternative (52:38) Experiments and surprise (01:00:29) Closing reframing proposal PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing [https://aipodcast.ing] SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing [https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 [https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5] Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin [https://x.com/drmichaellevin] Blog: https://thoughtforms.life [https://thoughtforms.life] The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org [https://drmichaellevin.org]

A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman and Chetan Prakash

This is a ~1.5 hour talk + discussion, titled "A Multiscale Logic of Collective Intelligence" by Donald Hoffman ( and Chetan Prakash ( with Robert Chis-Ciure ( and Chris Fields ( and me. CHAPTERS: (00:01) Beyond space-time physics (10:10) Minimal observer participants (18:49) Recursive trace logic (35:08) Actions and trace blankets (43:45) Physics and agency together (52:32) Causal emergence and joins (59:52) Contextuality and quantum logic (01:06:00) Unitarity and positive geometries (01:16:29) Consciousness-first mind theories (01:24:39) Testing models together PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing [https://aipodcast.ing] SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing [https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 [https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5] Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin [https://x.com/drmichaellevin] Blog: https://thoughtforms.life [https://thoughtforms.life] The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org [https://drmichaellevin.org]

Discussion: Lisa Maroski, Michael Levin, Richard Watson

This is a ~1 hour discussion with Lisa Maroski ( and Richard Watson ( about the role of language in shaping our thinking in the field of diverse intelligence and beyond. CHAPTERS: (00:00) Language and systems thinking (04:25) Parts wholes and resonance (07:34) Who versus what (12:45) Recursion and new structures (17:47) Searching for a word (25:16) Holding multiple polarities (29:41) Nested biological agency (35:42) Patterns and Platonic minds (45:41) Cross-level observers and time (52:45) Knowing and owning beliefs PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing [https://aipodcast.ing] SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing [https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 [https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5] Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin [https://x.com/drmichaellevin] Blog: https://thoughtforms.life [https://thoughtforms.life] The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org [https://drmichaellevin.org]

Discussion: Richard Watson, Alexey Tolchinsky, Mark Solms, Michael Levin, and Karl Friston

This is a ~1 hour meeting with Richard Watson ( Alexey Tolchinsky ( Mark Solms ( and Karl Friston ( where we discuss issues of memory (especially, the role of forgetting) in diverse intelligence (human patients and beyond), and a bit on dreams and psychoanalysis. The original question from me was motivated by some findings on the effects of induced forgetting in models of unconventional cognition ( and more coming soon). CHAPTERS: (00:00) Role of forgetting (06:22) Overfitting and generalization (10:45) Accuracy minus complexity (21:13) REM sleep and transference (24:40) Choosing futures and pasts (31:18) Cellular psychotherapy ideas (34:58) Dreaming of cell phones (39:47) Photographic memory costs (44:18) Precision and future paths (52:25) Collective cellular identity PRODUCED BY: https://aipodcast.ing [https://aipodcast.ing] SOCIAL LINKS: Podcast Website: https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing [https://thoughtforms-life.aipodcast.ing] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3pVafx6EZqXVI2V_Efu2uw] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thoughtforms-life/id1805908099] Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5 [https://open.spotify.com/show/7JCmtoeH53neYyZeOZ6ym5] Twitter: https://x.com/drmichaellevin [https://x.com/drmichaellevin] Blog: https://thoughtforms.life [https://thoughtforms.life] The Levin Lab: https://drmichaellevin.org [https://drmichaellevin.org]