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Refrigerator Moms

Podcast door Kelley Jensen, Julianna Scott

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Born from 20 years of friendship, during which they navigated the trenches of autism parenting and advocacy, the Refrigerator Moms is Kelley Jensen and Julianna Scott’s way of reaching out to parents waging the same battles they were.  Their purpose with this podcast is to clear the fog, silence the noise, and find a path through neurodivergence for parents that are stuck between bad choices. They tackle parenting topics such as mom guilt, tantrums, pathological demand avoidance, siblings, medication, comorbidities, social media, and much more.

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The Hidden Reason Your Doctor Just Prescribes More Meds (And What You Can Do About It)

America has a psychiatric care crisis — and most families are living it without knowing why. Kelley Jensen and Julianna Scott dig into their new Refrigerator Paper, Psyched Out: No Appointments Available, to answer one of the most common questions they hear: "Why haven't I heard of TMS?" The answer, it turns out, starts long before a patient ever walks into a clinic. With only about 60,000 practicing psychiatrists in the country — and nearly half of Americans living in officially designated mental health shortage areas — access to care is shrinking just as demand explodes. Half of all lifetime mental illnesses begin by age 14, millions are entering the system earlier than ever, and a retirement wave is projected to remove tens of thousands more psychiatrists from the workforce by 2030. Meanwhile, only 5–10% of psychiatrists prescribe TMS, even though it's covered by insurance and backed by clinical evidence. The result? Medication becomes the default — including for autistic children — simply because it's the only tool most practitioners are trained to use. Kelley and Julianna aren't just naming the problem — they're making the case for real solutions: expanding GP accreditation for TMS, loosening restrictions on psychiatric nurse practitioners, and recruiting the next generation of psychiatrists. Most importantly, they're calling on families and consumers to demand more. If you've ever been handed a prescription and wondered whether there was another option, this one's for you. 🔗 Learn More: Website: refrigeratormoms.com [http://refrigeratormoms.com] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/refrigeratormoms/ [https://www.instagram.com/refrigeratormoms/] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/refrigeratormoms [https://www.linkedin.com/company/refrigeratormoms] Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/refrigeratormoms/ [https://www.facebook.com/refrigeratormoms/] TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@RefrigeratorMoms [https://www.tiktok.com/@RefrigeratorMoms] Refrigerator Moms is sponsored by Brain Performance Technologies, a specialty mental health clinic that offers neuromodulation treatments including SAINT (Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy) for treatment-resistant depression and major depressive disorder, as well as MeRT (Magnetic e-resonance therapy) for autistic people aged three or older. Learn more at https://brainperformancetechnologies.com [https://brainperformancetechnologies.com/] * (00:00) - Introduction & episode overview * (00:29) - What is "Psyched Out" paper about? * (01:17) - Scale of the mental health crisis * (02:06) - Sponsor: Brain Performance Technologies * (02:33) - How few psychiatrists are there? * (03:39) - Psychiatrists retiring & the funding gap * (04:16) - How to become a psychiatrist * (05:15) - Psychiatric nurse practitioners * (05:38) - The coming retirement wave by 2030 * (06:00) - Mental health shortage areas * (06:37) - Sponsor: SAINT protocol explained * (07:19) - Medication as the default for autism * (08:12) - GPs filling the prescription gap * (08:41) - 42% of antidepressants from GPs * (09:33) - Why TMS remains underutilized * (10:23) - What you can do about it * (11:22) - Closing thoughts * (11:24) - Subscribe & find resources * (11:46) - Disclaimer

20 mei 2026 - 12 min
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Should You Avoid ABA? The Truth Behind the $600 Million Fraud Scandal

ABA therapy is under fire — and autism families deserve the full story. Kelley Jensen and Julianna Scott dig into the federal fraud audits targeting ABA providers, with up to $600 million in improper Medicaid payments identified by the Department of Health and Human Services. They walk through how ABA earned its status as a covered benefit, how private equity exploited that coverage, and what fraudulent billing actually looks like in practice. This episode is paired with the Refrigerator Moms paper "ABA: As Easy as ABC," which gives families a comprehensive resource for understanding and navigating ABA therapy. Kelley and Julianna share their own experiences navigating the ABA world as autism parents and give concrete steps families can take right now to vet providers, monitor therapy delivery, and protect themselves from fraud without walking away from a therapy that — done right — can still make a real difference. Bottom line: don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. The fraud is real and it's serious, but so is the value of quality, evidence-based ABA. Your job as a parent is to be an informed, engaged consumer — and this episode tells you exactly how. 🔗 Learn More:  Website: refrigeratormoms.com  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/refrigeratormoms/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/refrigeratormoms  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/refrigeratormoms/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@RefrigeratorMoms Refrigerator Moms is sponsored by Brain Performance Technologies, a specialty mental health clinic that offers neuromodulation treatments including SAINT (Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy) for treatment-resistant depression and major depressive disorder, as well as MeRT (Magnetic e-resonance therapy) for autistic people aged three or older. Learn more at https://brainperformancetechnologies.com 00:00 Fraud and disabled people 00:33 ABA fraud audits overview 01:12 ABA history and insurance coverage 02:00 Parents fought for ABA benefits 03:02 Sponsor: Brain Performance Technologies 03:40 Private equity enters the ABA space 04:57 Bankruptcies and billing fraud 05:34 Federal audit findings: $600M 06:36 Industry credibility takes a hit 07:08 Types of fraud: billing, credentials 08:02 Should you still pursue ABA? 08:53 Step 1: Decide if ABA fits your family 09:07 What ABA actually looks like 09:53 Range of ABA applications 10:18 Step 2: Verify provider credentials 10:47 Filing complaints with insurers 11:53 Sponsor: SAINT protocol 12:35 Step 3: Understand the therapy plan 13:19 Step 4: Research provider reputation 13:42 University programs as a resource 14:32 High therapist turnover — what to do 15:40 Step 5: Monitor therapy delivery 15:58 In-home vs. center-based therapy 16:39 Step 6: Review billing and claims 16:57 Step 7: Stay informed and advocate 17:10 Consumer power and whistleblowing 17:40 Step 8: Balance caution with access 17:54 Most ABA providers are ethical 18:03 Closing thoughts

13 mei 2026 - 19 min
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Autism Moms Across Generations: Waiting Rooms, Waitlists & the Fight for Services

Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen sit down with Jean Mayer — Texas-based disability advocate, school board trustee, co-host of Moms Talk Autism, and mother of a 12-year-old autistic son — for a candid cross-generational conversation about what has and hasn't changed in the autism parenting journey. From the early days of dial-up internet and therapy waiting rooms to today's social media overwhelm and policy battles, the three moms compare experiences, swap hard-won wisdom, and get real about guilt, grief, advocacy, and the long game of raising a child with complex needs. Key Takeaways: * The nucleus of the autism parenting experience — love, fear, guilt, and responsibility — remains constant across generations, even as systems, language, and access points shift. * Therapy waiting rooms once served as an unplanned but vital community hub for autism families; that informal peer connection has largely disappeared. * Information overload today can be as harmful as the information dearth of the early 2000s; discernment and curating a small, trusted circle matters more than volume. * Navigating a fragmented medical and educational system often turns parents into "reluctant experts" — managing treatment plans, insurance denials, and IEP meetings without a roadmap. * Policy is the upstream driver of access: understanding the difference between school practice and actual written policy is a powerful tool for parents. * Lived experience is inherently subjective and should not be the sole basis for policy decisions, even though it is an essential voice in advocacy. * Transition planning for autistic young adults should remain flexible and evolving, not fixed — and parents building themselves as trusted resources (not just caretakers) is underrated advice. * Loneliness in disability housing is a growing and underaddressed crisis; intentional community models deserve more attention. * The coming DSM-6 changes are already creating fatigue among behavioral health professionals and uncertainty for families still building identity around shifting diagnostic criteria. * Finding your people — even just a very small circle — is more protective and actionable than scrolling social media for answers. 🔗 Learn More:  Website: refrigeratormoms.com  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/refrigeratormoms/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/refrigeratormoms  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/refrigeratormoms/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@RefrigeratorMoms Refrigerator Moms is sponsored by Brain Performance Technologies, a specialty mental health clinic that offers neuromodulation treatments including SAINT (Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy) for treatment-resistant depression and major depressive disorder, as well as MeRT (Magnetic e-resonance therapy) for autistic people aged three or older. Learn more at https://brainperformancetechnologies.com 00:00 Introduction & guest welcome 00:53 Jean introduces her family 01:50 From hospitality career to autism mom 04:13 Who told you to pivot careers? 06:43 The acute vs. forever reality of autism 07:23 Comparing generations of autism parents 08:34 The guilt that never erodes 08:58 Then vs. now: information dearth vs. glut 09:55 The early internet & dial-up days 10:40 The value of therapy waiting rooms 11:19 How waiting rooms built community 14:22 When connection was hard even in person 15:02 The phone problem in waiting rooms today 16:54 Safe spaces where everyone understands 17:33 Navigating today's information overload 18:03 Leaving toxic Facebook groups for Instagram 20:08 Finding your people online 21:24 Drowning in information & needing a lifeline 21:49 Lived experience vs. policy 22:34 How advocacy began with insurance denials 24:55 Policy gaps & IEP meetings in Texas 26:31 Walking in the dark: the early autism era 27:14 Autism as emerging industry 27:37 The DSM shifts & changing diagnosis 29:27 What will DSM-6 change? 30:35 How Jean's advocacy evolved step by step 33:57 The looming fear: what happens after I'm gone? 35:57 School board, lobbying & statewide impact 40:27 What the next generation of autism parents faces 41:18 Transition planning for autistic adults 42:13 Kelley's son: evolving transition & loneliness in housing 43:33 Julianna's son: independent living & losing control 45:42 Being a trusted resource vs. caretaker 47:08 Speed round begins 47:19 Greatest extravagance 47:54 When do you cry? 49:03 What do you deplore most about autism? 49:44 What have you learned to love? 50:10 What are you reading right now? 51:31 Upward Bound & Moms Talk Autism shoutout 53:31 Closing & thank you 55:27 Legal disclaimer & outro

6 mei 2026 - 57 min
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What Autism Parents Really Think About Love on the Spectrum (Netflix)

Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen share their candid, sometimes conflicted reactions to Netflix's Love on the Spectrum. Julianna, who watched every season, brings enthusiasm and nuance; Kelley, who watched two episodes before tapping out, brings the perspective of a parent for whom the show hits painfully close to home. Together they explore whether the show humanizes or infantilizes its cast, the tension between heartwarming moments and lived-in autism parenting reality, and the underexplored question of neurodivergent people dating neurotypical partners. They also shout out Inclusion Fusion, a Las Vegas-based social program for autistic adults that Logan from this season attends. Key Takeaways * Cast members who've participated largely report positive experiences and say they don't feel exploited * The show has responded to audience feedback by adding LGBTQ+ couples and greater cultural and socioeconomic diversity over its seasons * For autism parents, the show can be genuinely difficult to watch because it mirrors real anxieties about their child's future * Reality TV packaging (upbeat soundtrack, quick-cut "special interest" intros) risks infantilizing its cast, even when intentions are good * All cast members are matched with other neurodivergent people, leaving the experience of dating neurotypical partners largely unexplored * Masking is a major, underaddressed factor in how autistic people navigate romantic relationships with neurotypical partners * Inclusion Fusion (Las Vegas) is highlighted as a model social program offering consistent Friday-night hangouts for autistic adults -- masks off, fun first * Breakups and long-term relationship struggles after filming rarely make it into the show's narrative * The show sparks broader conversations about sexuality, reproduction, and long-term partnership for autistic adults * "Flowers growing through concrete" -- the show's emotional core resonates differently depending on whether you're watching from the outside or living it 🔗 Learn More: Website: refrigeratormoms.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/refrigeratormoms/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/refrigeratormoms Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/refrigeratormoms/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@RefrigeratorMoms Refrigerator Moms is sponsored by Brain Performance Technologies, a specialty mental health clinic that offers neuromodulation treatments including SAINT (Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy) for treatment-resistant depression and major depressive disorder, as well as MeRT (Magnetic e-resonance therapy) for autistic people aged three or older. Learn more at https://brainperformancetechnologies.com 00:00 Intro 00:14 Kelley's shoutout: Inclusion Fusion 01:24 Logan and Inclusion Fusion 01:34 What Inclusion Fusion offers 02:45 Need for programs like this 03:23 Sponsor: Brain Performance Technologies 03:52 Diving into Love on the Spectrum 04:01 Reviews and audience reactions 05:34 Is the show exploitative? 06:41 Cast members' own perspectives 07:22 Showrunners listening to feedback 07:42 Kelley's take: wholesome but hard to watch 08:35 When it hits too close to home 09:25 Julianna's personal conflict watching 10:07 Fear for their children's futures 10:25 Dating, safety, and vulnerability 11:23 Breakups and real-life outcomes 12:26 Dating struggles aren't unique to autism 13:08 Not enough actionable takeaways 14:00 Sexuality and marriage on the show 14:19 Documentary vs. reality TV 14:57 Sponsor: Brain Performance Technologies 15:10 "It's so cute" -- the outsider view 16:05 Humanizing or infantilizing? 17:09 Why only neurodivergent couples? 18:19 Masking before and after commitment 19:28 Who stood out: Logan and Connor 20:27 Fan favorite couple Abbey and David broke up 21:22 Ending on a positive: the dogs 22:13 Outro and disclaimer

29 apr 2026 - 23 min
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What The Pitt Gets Wrong About Autistic Adults & Sexual Health

Julianna Scott and Kelley Jensen dig into a storyline from the hit medical drama The Pitt, where autistic character Becca is treated for a UTI and her sister Dr. Mel invokes "supported decision making." The hosts applaud the show for raising the topic — then spend the episode unpacking everything it glossed over. From the legal mechanics of conservatorship to the near-total absence of guidance around reproductive health for disabled adults, Julianna and Kelley get into the weeds so the show didn't have to. Kelley also shares the surprisingly sweet story of securing conservatorship for her own son before his 18th birthday. Highlights * The Pitt introduced "supported decision making" to a mainstream audience — a real legal framework worth understanding * No state in the U.S. allows anyone to make reproductive decisions on behalf of another adult, including through conservatorship * Conservatorship varies significantly by state and comes in different categories: financial, healthcare, and more * Supported decision making lets the individual retain final authority while supporters explain options and consequences — but it raises many unanswered questions * Sexual and reproductive health for disabled adults is one of the least-guided, most legally complex areas of disability care * Conservatorship can be suspended or revoked if circumstances change — it's not necessarily permanent * Start conversations about conservatorship and reproductive health at puberty, not at age 18 * Loop in your child's pediatrician early — documented conversations can help you advocate later * Don't use Britney Spears as your benchmark for conservatorship — her case was extreme and atypical * Informal supported decision making is something many autism families are already practicing without realizing it 🔗 Learn More:  Website: refrigeratormoms.com  Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/refrigeratormoms/  LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/refrigeratormoms  Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/refrigeratormoms/  TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@RefrigeratorMoms Refrigerator Moms is sponsored by Brain Performance Technologies, a specialty mental health clinic that offers neuromodulation treatments including SAINT (Stanford Accelerated Intelligent Neuromodulation Therapy) for treatment-resistant depression and major depressive disorder, as well as MeRT (Magnetic e-resonance therapy) for autistic people aged three or older. Learn more at https://brainperformancetechnologies.com 00:00 Intro & The Pitt recap 01:09 Becca's UTI storyline explained 01:36 Sponsor: Brain Performance Technologies 02:08 More questions than answers 02:14 When representation oversimplifies 03:15 Becca's consent & boyfriend Adam 03:55 UTIs, protection & unanswered questions 04:11 Becca's living situation 05:05 Sexual health & disability: no guidance 05:28 What is supported decision-making? 05:37 What is conservatorship? 06:07 Ad: Brain Performance Technologies 07:10 Conservatorship & reproductive rights 07:56 Supported decision-making explained 08:18 Where does supported decision-making fall short? 08:34 Pregnancy, responsibility & legal gaps 09:16 Kelley's son's conservatorship story 10:47 The judge says "Granted" 11:10 When independence IS possible 11:42 Advice: don't use Britney as your benchmark 12:47 Start at puberty, not at 18 13:06 Document with your pediatrician 13:10 Julianna's son & informal supported decisions 14:23 Autonomy, complexity & The Pitt's value 15:01 Outro & disclaimer

22 apr 2026 - 15 min
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