Untangling PANDAS & PANS: Conversations about Infection-Associated, Immune-Mediated Neuropsychiatric Disorders
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Untangling PANDAS & PANS: Conversations about Infection-Associated, Immune-Mediated Neuropsychiatric Disorders

Podcast by Susan Newman Manfull, PhD

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Hello and welcome to Untangling PANDAS & PANS, a podcast about two relatively unknown medical disorders characterized by the sudden and dramatic onset of obsessions and compulsions, vocal or motor tics, or restricted eating behavior -- and a whole host of other symptoms -- following strep or other bacterial or viral infection. Sometimes overnight.   I have the privilege of interviewing some of the top researchers and clinicians in the rapidly growing field of Infection-Associated, Immune-Mediated Neuropsychiatric Disorders. That’s a mouthful of words that encompasses the strangely named disorders, PANDAS and PANS.My name is Dr. Susan Manfull. I am a social psychologist, the Executive Director of The Alex Manfull Fund, and the mother of Alex Manfull, who died at 26 years old due to PANDAS, a neuropsychiatric disorder my husband and I knew next to nothing about, certainly not that our daughter could die from it.PANDAS is an acronym for “Pediatric Autoimmune Neuropsychiatric Disorder Associated with Streptococcus.” This disorder, first defined in 1998 at the National Institute of Mental Health, describes the acute and dramatic onset of obsessions and compulsions and/or motor or vocal tics as well as a whole host of neuropsychiatric symptoms in temporal association to a Group A streptococcal infection.  PANS, which stands for Pediatric Acute-onset Neuropsychiatric Syndrome, refers to a similar symptom presentation -- with obsessions and compulsions or restricted eating being the cardinal symptoms -- due to a broader category of triggers (typically bacterial or  viral infections). Both are thought to stem from a dysregulated immune system, probably leading to an over-production of autoantibodies and concomitant excess brain inflammation, particularly in the basal ganglia. Symptoms vary from person to person and range in  severity from mild to severe, and generally have a relapsing and remitting course. With early recognition and correct treatment, these disorders can be successfully treated. Today, it is no longer viewed as a diagnosis limited to the pediatric population.Please stay tuned after each episode to listen to a one-minute public service announcement about PANDAS & PANS and The Alex Manfull Fund.  To learn more, please visit our website: TheAlexManfullFund.org.This content is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your physician or other qualified healthcare provider with any questions you may have regarding a medical condition. 

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12 episodes
episode S1 E8: Dr. Pawel Kiela Discusses the Gut Microbiome, Microglia, and PANDAS artwork
S1 E8: Dr. Pawel Kiela Discusses the Gut Microbiome, Microglia, and PANDAS

Pawel Kiela, DVM, PhD currently holds the rank of Professor and has a PANDA endowed chair in Autoimmune Disease Research in the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Arizona Medical School in Tucson. Dr. Kiela is an integral part of the Steele Children’s Research Center which has four integrated branches: basic science, clinical research, clinical care, and teaching to address a range of neuropsychiatric disorders such as PANS, PANDAS, and Sydenham’s Chorea. He is a lead scientist in two Centers of Excellence: Children’s Post-Infectious Autoimmune Encephalopathy and the Daniel Cracciolo Institute for Pediatric Disease Research and the Associate Director of Pediatric Gastroenterology Fellowship Program. Dr. Kiela received his DVM from the Warsaw University of Life Science in Poland and his PhD from the same University and Lund University in Sweden in the developmental physiology of the gastrointestinal tract. His primary research interest is autoimmune and autoinflammatory diseases, especially Crohn’s disease, ulcerative colitis, gut microbiota, mucosal immunology, and extraintestinal manifestations of intestinal inflammation. I am very happy to say that Dr. Kiela, in recent years, has brought  his in-depth understanding of the aforementioned research  areas into the study of PANDAS and PANS. (What good fortune for the PANDAS/PANS community.) When Dr. Kiela isn’t in his lab, you may find him working on his 1962 Airstream travel trailer, a challenging endeavor, he explained as he is essentially bringing his beloved Airstream back to life. This hands-on work keeps his sanity, he joked: “In contrast to the lab work, there are many more opportunities for immediate rewards.” Note: Dr Kiela’s endowed chair has the remarkably coincidental acronym, PANDA, however, in this case stands for “People Acting Now Discover Answers” and is a gift from the Phoenix Women’s Board of the Steele Children’s Research Center. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent. Credits: Music by Kingsley Durant [https://kingsleydurant.com/] from his "Convertible" album To learn more about PANDAS and PANS and The Alex Manfull Fund, visit our website: TheAlexManfullFund.org [https://thealexmanfullfund.org/] Follow us on: Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/TheAlexManfullFund] Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/the_alex_manfull_fund/] LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-alex-manfull-fund/posts/?feedView=all]

24. nov. 2024 - 1 h 19 min
episode S1 E7: Dr. Tim Ubhi Talks about Treating PANDAS/PANS in the UK at his new London PANS Clinic artwork
S1 E7: Dr. Tim Ubhi Talks about Treating PANDAS/PANS in the UK at his new London PANS Clinic

Susan Manfull, PhD crossed the pond to speak with Dr. Tim Ubhi, consultant paediatrician and fellow of the United Kingdom’s Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health.  Dr. Tim, as his patients call him, has dedicated his life to children’s health, beginning with conducting research on using botulinum toxin to help children with cerebral palsy, work for which he was awarded the prestigious Michael Blacow prize by the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health to, currently, focusing on treating children with PANDAS, work that has earned him the deepest gratitude  from his over 1200 patients and their families.  Dr. Ubhi is the founder of the newly established London PANS Clinic and of the Children’s e-hospital in 2013. He is also a founding member of the UK PANS/PANDAS Physicians Network and is also a member of the Scientific and Medical Advisory Board of the European Immunopsychiatry Association (EXPAND). Dr Ubhi talks about what drew him to pediatrics and to PANDAS and PANS, in particular. The conversation veers into some interesting history underscoring how the slow speed with which medicine changes has affected the recognition and treatment of PANDAS and PANS. And yet, he has plowed forward and opened a clinic in London and has plans to train physicians in this field in the northeast of England, collaborate with practitioners outside of the UK, and conduct research using, for example, innovative techniques such pupillometry. And more -- Dr. Ubhi is clearly making extraordinary advances in the UK. Highly respected in his chosen field in the UK and well beyond, he is in demand to speak at conferences, including by The Alex Manfull Fund Symposium on Neuroimmune Psychiatric Disorders where he will join the Clinical Panel to address questions from physicians and other practitioners about treating persons diagnosed with PANDAS and PANS to be held on November 2, 2024 in Portsmouth, New Hampshire.  (For more information, please visit: https://thealexmanfullfund.org/tamf-2024-symposium/ [https://thealexmanfullfund.org/tamf-2024-symposium/] .) Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent. Credits: Music by Kingsley Durant [https://kingsleydurant.com/] from his "Convertible" album To learn more about PANDAS and PANS and The Alex Manfull Fund, visit our website: TheAlexManfullFund.org [https://thealexmanfullfund.org/] Follow us on: Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/TheAlexManfullFund] Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/the_alex_manfull_fund/] LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-alex-manfull-fund/posts/?feedView=all]

29. sep. 2024 - 1 h 25 min
episode S1 E6: The Story Behind AB2105, California's Bill to Require Insurance Coverage for PANDAS/PANS Treatment artwork
S1 E6: The Story Behind AB2105, California's Bill to Require Insurance Coverage for PANDAS/PANS Treatment

In this episode of Untangling PANDAS & PANS, Susan Manfull, PhD talks with April Ronay, founder of California Coalition for PANS/PANDAS (aka, Cal-Coalition), and Shari Strulson, one of the founding members of Cal-Coalition. Both are teachers, by profession, both have a family member with PANS, and both are tirelessly working to pass legislation in California to require insurance companies to provide coverage for doctor-prescribed treatments for PANDAS and PANS. They are currently working to pass AB2105, a bill sponsored by Assembly member Josh Lowenthal. April is a second-grade teacher from Long Beach, California.  Shari is a former fourth-grade and enrichment teacher in Bridgeport, Connecticut who currently resides in Redondo Beach, California. The PANDAS/PANS community is a remarkably close community. Comprised of patients, family members, advocates, policy makers, researchers, and practitioners, this hybrid virtual and in-person community extends across the United States and into many other countries around the world. PANDAS/PANS can be such an excruciatingly debilitating disorder that supportive relationships are easily engendered among care-takers whose care-burden demands often exceed those of Alzheimer’s disease. Many wear multiple hats.  Untangling PANDAS & PANS cover all members of this intertwined community. What drives April and Shari -- who wear parent and advocate hats -- to take on the huge task of passing legislation for the benefit of all? Hear their stories on this podcast episode. Meet them (and many other families and advocates) on Advocacy Day in Long Beach, California on September 14, 2024 (9:00 a.m. to 12:00 p.m.). Eventbrite Advocacy Day Agenda: https://bit.ly/PANS_PANDAS_Advocacy_Day [https://bit.ly/PANS_PANDAS_Advocacy_Day] To send a letter of support to Governor Gavin Newsom (once the bill is on his desk), go to https://www.gov.ca.gov/contact/ [https://www.gov.ca.gov/contact/] for online submission or mail to Governor Gavin Newsom 1021 O Street, Suite 9000 Sacramento, CA 95814 For more information about Cal-Coalition, visit www.calcoalition.com [http://www.calcoalition.com] and follow on Facebook@CalCoalition-for-PansPandas-Advocacy [https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100083413625515]  (other social media handles on website). Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent. Credits: Music by Kingsley Durant [https://kingsleydurant.com/] from his "Convertible" album To learn more about PANDAS and PANS and The Alex Manfull Fund, visit our website: TheAlexManfullFund.org [https://thealexmanfullfund.org/] Follow us on: Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/TheAlexManfullFund] Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/the_alex_manfull_fund/] LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-alex-manfull-fund/posts/?feedView=all]

25. aug. 2024 - 50 min
episode S1 E5: Earl Harley, MD Talks About How Otolaryngologists Can Assist in the Treatment of PANDAS artwork
S1 E5: Earl Harley, MD Talks About How Otolaryngologists Can Assist in the Treatment of PANDAS

Earl Harley, MD, FACS, FAAPS is a highly regarded pediatric otolaryngologist (Ears, Nose, and Throat doctor or ENT) at Georgetown University Medical Center and a beloved assistant professor at the Medical School. Dr. Harley is widely respected for his expertise in working with patients who have been diagnosed with PANDAS and PANS. Families travel from across the country (and well beyond) for consultations regarding adenotonsillectomies for their children suffering from these neuroimmune psychiatric disorders. Dr Harley received his medical degree from Howard University School of Medicine in Washington, DC. He completed an internship at Walter Reed Hospital (previously named National Naval Medical Center). He did his residency in otolaryngology at Oakland Naval Hospital in California and, later, two pediatric ENT fellowships: Children’s National Medical Center and George Washington University in DC and the Massachusetts Eye and Ear Infirmary and Harvard University in Boston, Massachusetts. At the same time, Dr Harley pursued a remarkable career of over 20 years in the U.S. Navy in various hospitals and on ships. He attributes his career as an ENT to the Navy and his work as a flight surgeon. Susan Manfull, PhD caught up with Dr Harley just as he emerged from surgery — he had just performed a adenotonsillectomy with a patient diagnosed with PANDAS. Learn about his distinguished career spanning over 50 years and about how he came to know about PANDAS and PANS. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent. Credits: Music by Kingsley Durant [https://kingsleydurant.com/] from his "Convertible" album To learn more about PANDAS and PANS and The Alex Manfull Fund, visit our website: TheAlexManfullFund.org [https://thealexmanfullfund.org/] Follow us on: Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/TheAlexManfullFund] Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/the_alex_manfull_fund/] LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-alex-manfull-fund/posts/?feedView=all]

28. jul. 2024 - 44 min
episode S1 E4: Beth Latimer, MD Discusses How the Understanding of PANDAS has Progressed: It is Not Solely a Pediatric Disorder artwork
S1 E4: Beth Latimer, MD Discusses How the Understanding of PANDAS has Progressed: It is Not Solely a Pediatric Disorder

M. Elizabeth “Beth” Latimer, MD is a pioneer in the field of autoimmune encephalitis and is known across the country and in Europe for her expertise in treating PANDAS and PANS. She received her medical degree from Tufts University School of Medicine in Boston, Massachusetts. She completed her residencies in Pediatrics and Neurology at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, DC with special certification in Child Neurology. She served as chief of the Child Neurology Division at Georgetown University Hospital in Washington, DC for five years, prior to practicing at Fairfax Hospital in Virginia, and then to opening her own practice in Child and Adolescent Neurology in 2000 in Bethesda, Maryland. Currently, Dr. Latimer’s private practice is in Washington, DC, in general neurology with a specialization in caring for patients with PANDAS and PANS. Dr. Latimer is one of the few physicians in this field who has long worked with adult patients, recognizing that post-pubescent individuals could continue to suffer from PANDAS/PANS and that onset could first manifest after puberty. Susan Manfull, PhD sits down with Dr. Latimer over cheese and crackers and sparkling water on a hot afternoon on Cape Cod.  They discuss Dr. Latimer’s career in pediatric neurology, highly respected work that has spanned nearly forty years dedicated to treating patients in a field that still struggles to find a name. Whatever the field be called, Dr. Latimer’s name will certainly have a place in its history and in the hearts of many families. Disclaimer: The views and opinions expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of any entities they represent. Credits: Music by Kingsley Durant [https://kingsleydurant.com/] from his "Convertible" album To learn more about PANDAS and PANS and The Alex Manfull Fund, visit our website: TheAlexManfullFund.org [https://thealexmanfullfund.org/] Follow us on: Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/TheAlexManfullFund] Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/the_alex_manfull_fund/] LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/company/the-alex-manfull-fund/posts/?feedView=all]

30. jun. 2024 - 1 h 6 min
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