The No Film School Podcast
GG Hawkins speaks with Kino co-founders Brit MacRae and Daril Fannin about the broken handoff between post-production and release, and how insecure screeners, fragmented feedback workflows, and fear-based distribution norms undermine independent film. They break down Kino’s evolution from an interactive streaming idea into a secure post-to-delivery platform, explain how they built a film fund around de-risked sub-$2 million features, and use Undertone as a case study for aligning budgets, creative ambition, and profitability. In this episode, No Film School's GG Hawkins and guests Brit MacRae and Daril Fannin discuss... * Why the current post-production and release pipeline is still built around insecure links, scattered notes, and outdated habits * How piracy, leaks, and weak screener security can hurt filmmakers, investors, and distribution momentum * The original idea behind Kino and how it pivoted from interactive streaming to a B2B platform for secure screeners, dailies, cuts, approvals, focus groups, and final delivery * Why discoverability is one of the biggest problems in independent film, and why indie projects are competing with TikTok and other forms of passive entertainment * How fear-based thinking shapes decisions around marketing, exposure, festivals, and distribution * What “LVOD” means to Kino and how the company tried to create a window that adds marketing value without cannibalizing TVOD * Why MacRae and Fannin believe filmmakers need to think like business builders, not just artists, when raising money * How Kino structured its film fund around contained, creatively aligned stories with budgets under $2 million and meaningful de-risking through incentives and exchange rates * Why Undertone made sense as a fund project: one location, a contained story, and a production model that matched the script’s scale * How equity participation and aligned incentives can help cast, crew, and investors move in the same direction * Why iteration, early feedback, and collaborative review should play a larger role in filmmaking, much like they do in tech and animation * What kinds of projects Kino is pursuing next, including a Band of Brothers documentary and more genre-focused features Memorable Quotes: * “Something’s not working and we’re going to dig into it.” * “Fear makes you stupid.” * “Coming to the table with great art is table stakes.” * “It’s not about the project, it’s about the people you’re surrounding yourself with.” Guests: * Brit MacRae [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm6649341/] * Daril Fannin [https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7050977/] Resources: * Kino [https://kino.studio/] Find No Film School everywhere: * On the Web: No Film School [https://nofilmschool.com/] * Facebook: No Film School on Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/nofilmschool] * Twitter: No Film School on Twitter [https://twitter.com/nofilmschool] * YouTube: No Film School on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/user/nofilmschool] * Instagram: No Film School on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/nofilmschool] * 📩 Send us an email with questions or feedback: podcast@nofilmschool.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]
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