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Challenger Cities EP78: Saying Yes More with Jen Angel

44 min · 1. touko 2026
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Jen Angel thinks Canada is closer to a moment of triumph in how it builds than it has been in her lifetime. The conditions are there. What's missing is enough people in positions of authority with the permission to say yes. Jen leads Evergreen, the national organisation behind the Brick Works in Toronto and a portfolio of public space projects across the country — from school grounds transformations in Halton and Winnipeg, to a Mi'kmaq Native Friendship Centre-led project in Halifax, to the Toronto ravines programme. Before Evergreen, she ran a Nova Scotia crown corporation that built the Halifax Waterfront, Peggy's Cove and Lunenburg Waterfront, alongside rural broadband and innovation hubs. She also sits on the Canadian Infrastructure Council, the ministerial-appointed arm's-length body writing Canada's first national infrastructure assessment. In this episode we get into: — Why "it's not that much harder to build a good one than a crappy one" might be the most damning line about Canadian infrastructure this year — The permission problem: why no has become the safe answer across our institutions, and what it costs us — Multi-benefit projects, and why our funding model is almost institutionally incapable of recognising them as legible — Why this particular moment — tariffs, geopolitical pressure, a public mood that actually wants things to be tried — might be a generational opportunity — What the East Coast knows about resilience that the rest of the country keeps forgetting — The Evergreen Conference at the Brick Works, May 6–7, theme: Cities Bursting with Life

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