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CME vs. CFTC, SpaceX HYPE, and Wall Street's Tokenization Push

The crypto industry is closely watching a lawsuit between CME and the CFTC that could shape the future of innovation in U.S. derivatives markets. We break down what's at stake for perpetual futures and other crypto-native products with Hyperliquid Strategies CEO David Schamis and 250 Digital CEO Chris Perkins. Plus, a new coalition backed by some of Wall Street's biggest names is pushing to modernize the regulatory framework for tokenized markets. Chris Hayes, Executive Director of the Coalition for Tokenized Markets, joins us to discuss the policy changes still needed to make the U.S. a global leader in tokenization.

Rep. Dusty Johnson Warns Senate: Pass the Clarity Act Before August

Rep. Dusty Johnson says the window for passing crypto market structure legislation is rapidly closing. In this episode, the House Agriculture Committee’s Digital Assets Subcommittee Chair explains why the Senate needs to move quickly on the Clarity Act, where he believes lawmakers should land on DeFi regulation, how Congress is thinking about CFTC funding, and what happens if the Senate sends the House a bill it can’t support. Johnson also explains why he compares today’s crypto industry to the early days of the internet and argues that the Clarity Act could do for digital assets what the Telecommunications Act of 1996 did for broadband. He also breaks down why the House Agriculture Committee was able to advance the original bill with overwhelming bipartisan support and the hurdles that still stand between the legislation and the President’s desk. In this episode,  TIMESTAMPS: 00:40 Congressman Dusty Johnson’s Perspective on Crypto In America  02:17 Agriculture Committee’s Shared Jurisdiction Over Crypto 04:04 Expanding Broadband and Blockchain's Power 05:34 Parallels Between Telecom Act of 1996 and Clarity Act 06:54 Policy Initiatives and Why Passing Clarity is Urgent 13:25 DeFi Regulation and Senate vs. House Approaches 21:42 Spot Authority and CFTC Oversight 25:47 Path to Bipartisan Support and Legislative Timeline 28:53 Evolution of Anti-CBDC Legislation 30:43 Johnson’s Message to Industry Subscribe to the podcast on Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbEtGQ2xhVWpaWUFXM3hsb2VZTTFMWndYWWQ3Z3xBQ3Jtc0trR0t1WWQxOEhkeVBQY2FrNF9VWERtc0xzOVVycE9IT2xkUEtMeGJXY0U5VExBZDc4RVAyRDZWNUhxb293SnRBcFhacEpTVjNxUlRFbExNcXAwSUtCM3h4NGtKbncxZkM1ZnZoRlJlcFVUNVgwUFVWUQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F2Y3bQRjEQtdlNx1fxmS8hB%3Fsi%3D813495451b9f4e4e&v=wdm8S4sb5KEhttps://open.spotify.com/show/2Y3bQRjEQtdlNx1fxmS8hB [https://open.spotify.com/show/2Y3bQRjEQtdlNx1fxmS8hB]  Subscribe to the podcast on Apple: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbTMwbng5NW5ieHhfcnE5Q1ZpMUc5amJ2VGhLQXxBQ3Jtc0tsYVFVNmMtLUNrd0lMTjF3MmQxbXlkZ2ZlUmNJaExucUFYVS1LSEdseTJXYlhVYTA5MFJBd1JfcDg3LVNvdlA0MkhpOXlZVkdDQXlVcWFEZ2ZJMzEtQ0xSZ0I2T1JtODkyR0p6bWtVR0xESTRGbHBMQQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Fcrypto-in-america%2Fid1799000155&v=wdm8S4sb5KE https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crypto-in-america/id1799000155 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crypto-in-america/id1799000155]  Please note that this podcast is for informational purposes only and any views shared by anyone on the show are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have a direct or indirect financial interest in content mentioned in this episode. This show is sponsored by Sei. Learn more about Sei: https://www.sei.io/ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHBVU3dCa0xDaURKWHVsM3VjcTl3ME4wY294Z3xBQ3Jtc0trWk5XX09qNUhsa2JDRmVMemJITWFnck5TaEdtSUp0R0xNX3Foanppa3ZDeENMSUp0ZVczNnM3bVpYa01SSkROSEVnbXVCX2NmSElBYkRxWTFBSm4xQUlzZ09OVFBRSlluakpoVVFkYUF6Y05nV0Y0UQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sei.io%2F&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Follow Crypto in America: https://x.com/CryptoAmerica_ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbmFheFZ5cXNxb0FIZlpnVUhoOFQxYTAxTWtaQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcWZmMy1BbG1pX3RfNWpHUExTVkdQVUViOHBiNkM4VFNnTWU5RnVtSTdjQVRBTkMzWHpYei02VEVSZk1JM3NOOFFuTnQ3WVY3R3pxd0ZHR1FRYmhHVE9vZDRyTnVrVVZ4M2tFWFVYLXJKOGcwNVFYZw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FCryptoAmerica_&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Follow our hosts Jacquelyn: https://x.com/jacqmelinek [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbUFtTVlQbXJHWnVDTU51ODR0aEdVUkQ5ZlE2QXxBQ3Jtc0tuTExUZjFoUDBxUWFQaDdYallYbG5NbEpkdEZOVmd4U3pCZXd0ZEtjaUhQaWpETGZteGN2d2N4aVNmYXVPMldWa25PRWxyaFJKNHBKQWw5S3dRdHZnRnIwc0VBcVRXSjZUTnk4cHIwemZSM2U5dFdZWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Gerald: https://x.com/thatgerald [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbm9jNnN1aTN1M1lwX0JNS2xyTlBfTTc5ek8yQXxBQ3Jtc0trc2kwbzRDRXFBTjVIYkx5eDFxd180QzQ4VHZTaENlcnUtSDJtSDdGOXI2V1R5eEZzZEZRdnVfdnpWZHVpamNpNEM2VlU0c0Q0a3U2SzZHaWFCUzlsc1ZteEFHNnFjelBkQ25VRnQzcFdzazh3V1FQOA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fthatgerald&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Eleanor: https://x.com/EleanorTerrett [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbGpTRENXRnY5Xzd1QnhKM3p3a05XZm5CMGtPQXxBQ3Jtc0ttX2x3NWlRNjE4ZUoyMlFaQWdJSVp2UDJkclFIS1BwY0tnNTNEQTZXQXhnMjFXbTRFdWR3OC1JUEVWY0lrTjk1RmgyZ3Y3c0gzbDlfa3FYYko2SFkyQi13cXcyOW1Demx1OWtldG9DaHJZN3BvanV6UQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FEleanorTerrett&v=wdm8S4sb5KE]

SpaceX Goes Public as Clarity Act Negotiations Reach a Critical Stage

The largest IPO in history has arrived. Elon Musk's SpaceX begins trading at a roughly $1.8 trillion valuation as the crypto market looks to recover from recent lows. Meanwhile, Clarity Act negotiations continue in the Senate, but progress on at least one key sticking point appears to have slowed with just a month left before lawmakers depart for the August recess. White House Crypto Council Executive Director Patrick Witt joins us with the latest from Washington. We also dive into the House's renewed focus on crypto taxes with former IRS Digital Assets Senior Advisor and Crypto Tax Girl Tax Director Trish Turner, and discuss the industry's push to preserve developer protections in the Clarity Act with Jito Labs CEO Lucas Bruder.

Does Crypto Need Wall Street, or Does Wall Street Need Crypto? | Adam Back & Jenny Johnson

Adam Back is the co-founder of Blockstream, the Bitcoin infrastructure company behind the Liquid Network, and one of the original figures in the cypherpunk movement. Jenny Johnson is the CEO of Franklin Templeton, the $1.8 trillion asset manager that was the first traditional finance firm to tokenize a money market fund. In this episode, recorded live at the 2026 Proof of Talk Conference, Eleanor sits down with both guests to discuss the convergence of Wall Street and crypto, what institutional adoption means for Bitcoin’s original vision, why tokenization is gaining momentum, the future of wallet-native finance, and where the debate over stablecoin yield is headed. TIMESTAMPS: 0:07 The Convergence Of Wall Street And Crypto 1:01 Cypherpunk Movement And Institutional Adoption 4:34 Efficiency In Financial Services Through Blockchain 8:04 Impact Of Regulation On Crypto And Financial Services 15:20 Wallet-Native Infrastructure Vs. Traditional Intermediaries 24:32 Bitcoin's Evolution 42:03 The Relationship Between Wall Street And Crypto Subscribe to the podcast on Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbEtGQ2xhVWpaWUFXM3hsb2VZTTFMWndYWWQ3Z3xBQ3Jtc0trR0t1WWQxOEhkeVBQY2FrNF9VWERtc0xzOVVycE9IT2xkUEtMeGJXY0U5VExBZDc4RVAyRDZWNUhxb293SnRBcFhacEpTVjNxUlRFbExNcXAwSUtCM3h4NGtKbncxZkM1ZnZoRlJlcFVUNVgwUFVWUQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F2Y3bQRjEQtdlNx1fxmS8hB%3Fsi%3D813495451b9f4e4e&v=wdm8S4sb5KEhttps://open.spotify.com/show/2Y3bQRjEQtdlNx1fxmS8hB [https://open.spotify.com/show/2Y3bQRjEQtdlNx1fxmS8hB]  Subscribe to the podcast on Apple: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbTMwbng5NW5ieHhfcnE5Q1ZpMUc5amJ2VGhLQXxBQ3Jtc0tsYVFVNmMtLUNrd0lMTjF3MmQxbXlkZ2ZlUmNJaExucUFYVS1LSEdseTJXYlhVYTA5MFJBd1JfcDg3LVNvdlA0MkhpOXlZVkdDQXlVcWFEZ2ZJMzEtQ0xSZ0I2T1JtODkyR0p6bWtVR0xESTRGbHBMQQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Fcrypto-in-america%2Fid1799000155&v=wdm8S4sb5KE https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crypto-in-america/id1799000155 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/crypto-in-america/id1799000155]  Please note that this podcast is for informational purposes only and any views shared by anyone on the show are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have a direct or indirect financial interest in content mentioned in this episode. This show is sponsored by Sei.  Learn more about Sei: https://www.sei.io/ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHBVU3dCa0xDaURKWHVsM3VjcTl3ME4wY294Z3xBQ3Jtc0trWk5XX09qNUhsa2JDRmVMemJITWFnck5TaEdtSUp0R0xNX3Foanppa3ZDeENMSUp0ZVczNnM3bVpYa01SSkROSEVnbXVCX2NmSElBYkRxWTFBSm4xQUlzZ09OVFBRSlluakpoVVFkYUF6Y05nV0Y0UQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sei.io%2F&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Follow Crypto in America: https://x.com/CryptoAmerica_ [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbmFheFZ5cXNxb0FIZlpnVUhoOFQxYTAxTWtaQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcWZmMy1BbG1pX3RfNWpHUExTVkdQVUViOHBiNkM4VFNnTWU5RnVtSTdjQVRBTkMzWHpYei02VEVSZk1JM3NOOFFuTnQ3WVY3R3pxd0ZHR1FRYmhHVE9vZDRyTnVrVVZ4M2tFWFVYLXJKOGcwNVFYZw&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FCryptoAmerica_&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Follow our hosts Jacquelyn: https://x.com/jacqmelinek [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbUFtTVlQbXJHWnVDTU51ODR0aEdVUkQ5ZlE2QXxBQ3Jtc0tuTExUZjFoUDBxUWFQaDdYallYbG5NbEpkdEZOVmd4U3pCZXd0ZEtjaUhQaWpETGZteGN2d2N4aVNmYXVPMldWa25PRWxyaFJKNHBKQWw5S3dRdHZnRnIwc0VBcVRXSjZUTnk4cHIwemZSM2U5dFdZWQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Gerald: https://x.com/thatgerald [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbm9jNnN1aTN1M1lwX0JNS2xyTlBfTTc5ek8yQXxBQ3Jtc0trc2kwbzRDRXFBTjVIYkx5eDFxd180QzQ4VHZTaENlcnUtSDJtSDdGOXI2V1R5eEZzZEZRdnVfdnpWZHVpamNpNEM2VlU0c0Q0a3U2SzZHaWFCUzlsc1ZteEFHNnFjelBkQ25VRnQzcFdzazh3V1FQOA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2Fthatgerald&v=wdm8S4sb5KE] Eleanor: https://x.com/EleanorTerrett [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbGpTRENXRnY5Xzd1QnhKM3p3a05XZm5CMGtPQXxBQ3Jtc0ttX2x3NWlRNjE4ZUoyMlFaQWdJSVp2UDJkclFIS1BwY0tnNTNEQTZXQXhnMjFXbTRFdWR3OC1JUEVWY0lrTjk1RmgyZ3Y3c0gzbDlfa3FYYko2SFkyQi13cXcyOW1Demx1OWtldG9DaHJZN3BvanV6UQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FEleanorTerrett&v=wdm8S4sb5KE]

Is AI Crashing the Crypto Market? Crypto Meltdown, Illinois' Crypto Tax, and New Software Dev PAC

Crypto is having its worst week in two years. We break down what's behind the selloff, from the AI trade to the fallout from Michael Saylor's recent bitcoin sale, with Bitwise Head of Research Ryan Rasmussen. Plus, Illinois moves to impose a new 0.2% tax on crypto transactions, and Executive Director of the Illinois Blockchain Association Olta Andoni explains why some fear it could drive users and businesses out of the state. And a new PAC launches to support pro-developer lawmakers as legal protections for software developers become one of the biggest fights in the Clarity Act. The PAC's founder, Gavin Zavatone, joins the show.