Tim Cook’s Legacy + The Future of U.B.I. With Andrew Yang + HatGPT

OpenAI’s Big Reset + A.I. in the Doctor’s Office + Talkie, a pre-1930s LLM

This week, OpenAI announced a loosened partnership with Microsoft and an aggressive new strategy to secure computing power. We unpack what these updates signal about OpenAI’s business strategy and whether the company can scale while balancing a trial against Elon Musk and investor concerns over missed financial targets. Then, the A.I. researcher Dr. Adam Rodman, of Harvard Medical School, returns to tell us about the most significant ways A.I. is changing how doctors treat patients. And finally, can an LLM trained only on very old texts predict the future? We’re talking with one of the creators of the chatbot talkie.   Guests: * Dr. Adam Rodman [https://research.bidmc.org/general-medicine/people/adam-rodman-md-mph-facp], internal medicine physician at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and assistant professor at Harvard Medical School. * David Duvenaud [https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~duvenaud/], associate professor at the University of Toronto, former team lead at Anthropic and co-creator of talkie [https://talkie-lm.com/introducing-talkie].   Additional Reading: * Microsoft and OpenAI Loosen Their Partnership [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/27/technology/microsoft-openai-partnership.html] * Elon Musk and Sam Altman’s Epic Fight Heads to Court [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/23/technology/elon-musk-sam-altman-openai-trial.html] * OpenAI Misses Key Revenue, User Targets in High-Stakes Sprint Toward IPO [https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openai-misses-key-revenue-user-targets-in-high-stakes-sprint-toward-ipo-94a95273] * Take It From a Doctor: It’s OK if Your Medical Advice Comes From A.I. [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/17/opinion/doctors-patients-ai.html]   We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/hardfork] and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork]. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts [http://nytimes.com/podcasts] or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher [https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher]. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Tim Cook’s Legacy + The Future of U.B.I. With Andrew Yang + HatGPT

This week, Tim Cook announced he would step down as chief executive of Apple. We discuss what he got right and what he got wrong, and we offer some unsolicited advice for his replacement, John Ternus. Then, Andrew Yang joins us to discuss A.I.-powered job automation and why universal basic income may be making a comeback. And finally, we catch up on more recent tech news with a round of HatGPT.   Guest: * Andrew Yang [https://blog.andrewyang.com], chief executive of Noble Mobile and author of “Hey Yang, Where’s My Thousand Bucks?”   Additional Reading: * Tim Cook Will Step Down as Apple C.E.O. [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/20/technology/tim-cook-apple-ceo-steps-down.html] * Who Is John Ternus, Apple’s Low-Profile Leader? [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/technology/apple-ceo-tim-cook-john-ternus.html] * Why U.B.I. Is Making a Comeback [https://www.platformer.news/ubi-ai-public-wealth-fund-musk-openai-bores/] * His 2020 Campaign Message: The Robots Are Coming [https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/technology/his-2020-campaign-message-the-robots-are-coming.html] * This Pasta Sauce Wants to Record Your Family [https://www.theverge.com/tech/913874/prego-connection-keeper-bundle-voice-recorder-storycorps] * Chinese Robot Beats Human Best Time in Half-Marathon, After a Stumble [https://www.wsj.com/tech/chinese-robot-beats-human-best-time-in-half-marathon-after-a-stumble-b3c354e7] * What Happens When A.I. Runs a Store in San Francisco? [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/us/san-francisco-store-managed-ai-agent.html] * Meta to Start Capturing Employee Mouse Movements, Keystrokes for A.I. Training Data [https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/meta-start-capturing-employee-mouse-movements-keystrokes-ai-training-data-2026-04-21/] * SpaceX Strikes Deal With Cursor for $60 Billion [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/21/business/spacex-cursor-deal.html] * OpenAI Beefs Up ChatGPT’s Image Generation Model [https://www.wired.com/story/openai-beefs-up-chatgpts-image-generation-model/]   We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/hardfork] and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork]. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts [http://nytimes.com/podcasts] or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher [https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher]. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A.I. Backlash Turns Violent + Kara Swisher on Healthmaxxing + The Zuck Bot Is Coming

This week, amid violent attacks on the homes of the OpenAI chief executive Sam Altman and the Indianapolis councilman Ron Gibson, we debate why artificial intelligence and data centers are so unpopular. Then, Kara Swisher returns to the show to discuss her new docuseries on Silicon Valley’s obsession with living longer. And finally, can chief executives replace themselves with A.I.? Mark Zuckerberg seems to be trying. Guests: * Kara Swisher, tech journalist and host of the podcasts “Pivot” and “On With Kara Swisher.” Additional Reading: * Shots Fired at Indianapolis Councilman’s Home, After Vote Backing Data Center [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/06/us/indianapolis-data-center-shooting.html] * Man Held in Attack on OpenAI Chief’s Home Had List of A.I. Leaders, Officials Say [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/13/technology/man-who-attacked-openai-ceos-home-had-list-of-other-ai-executives.html] * Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever [https://www.cnn.com/kara-swisher-wants-to-live-forever] * Meta Builds A.I. Version of Mark Zuckerberg to Interact With Staff [http://ft.com/content/02107c23-6c7a-4c19-b8e2-b45f4bb9ce5f?accessToken=zwAAAZ2YBMcBkc8CEHwjbHpMGdO44rRfS7nOXw.MEYCIQDssvG3RYyhNQfO6Xnuaw5PG30RmuDW5U2afGCfE9edswIhAPcxqjPWmcfIYN1NvUuNPMw6hbpAIVPlYeH4DDm4oHKB&segmentId=e95a9ae7-622c-6235-5f87-51e412b47e97&shareId=fc8a23cd-b5c1-4c68-9bbe-b3424f533ece&shareType=enterprise&syn-25a6b1a6=1]   We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/hardfork] and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork]. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts [http://nytimes.com/podcasts] or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher [https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher]. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Anthropic’s Cybersecurity Shock Wave + Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz on Their Sam Altman Investigation + One Good Thing

This week, we look at the cybersecurity threats that a new unreleased model from Anthropic are posing to software everywhere. And we ask whether Project Glasswing, the company’s bold new defense initiative, will give tech companies enough of a head start to secure the web. Then, we’re joined by Ronan Farrow and Andrew Marantz of The New Yorker to discuss their blockbuster new profile of Sam Altman. And finally, we look to the skies for this edition of One Good Thing.    Guests: * Ronan Farrow [https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/ronan-farrow], investigative reporter and a contributing writer to The New Yorker. * Andrew Marantz [https://www.newyorker.com/contributors/andrew-marantz], staff writer at The New Yorker.   Additional Reading: * Anthropic Claims Its New A.I. Model, Mythos, Is a Cybersecurity ‘Reckoning’ [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/07/technology/anthropic-claims-its-new-ai-model-mythos-is-a-cybersecurity-reckoning.html] * Why Anthropic’s New Model Has Cybersecurity Experts Rattled [https://www.platformer.news/anthropic-mythos-cybersecurity-risk-experts/] * Sam Altman May Control Our Future — Can He Be Trusted? [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2026/04/13/sam-altman-may-control-our-future-can-he-be-trusted] * Artemis II Moon Launch [https://www.nytimes.com/news-event/artemis-ii] We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/hardfork] and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork]. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts [http://nytimes.com/podcasts] or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher [https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher]. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The Future of Addictive Design + Going Deep at DeepMind + HatGPT

Last week, two separate juries held social media companies liable for harming young users. We unpack what these landmark decisions mean — not only for the future of social platforms like Meta and YouTube, but also for A.I. chatbots. Then, Sebastian Mallaby, the author of “The Infinity Machine,” joins us to talk about the three years he spent with Demis Hassabis and those closest to Google DeepMind. And finally, we catch up on some of our favorite tech headlines from the week with a round of HatGPT.   Guest: * Sebastian Mallaby [https://www.cfr.org/experts/sebastian-mallaby], author of “The Infinity Machine: Demis Hassabis, DeepMind and the Quest for Superintelligence.”   Additional Reading: * Juries Take the Lead in the Push for Child Online Safety [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/26/technology/social-media-verdicts-child-safety.html] * An A.I. Agent Was Banned From Creating Wikipedia Articles, Then Wrote Angry Blogs About Being Banned [https://www.404media.co/an-ai-agent-was-banned-from-creating-wikipedia-articles-then-wrote-angry-blogs-about-being-banned/] * I Met Olaf — the Frozen Robot who Might be the Future of Disney Parks [https://www.theverge.com/tech/895369/olaf-disney-imagineering-frozen-robot-up-close] * Claude’s Code: Anthropic Leaks Source Code for A.I. Software Engineering Tool [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/apr/01/anthropic-claudes-code-leaks-ai] * What’s With All the A.I. Videos of Cheating Fruit? [https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/24/style/ai-cheating-fruit-slop-videos-tiktok.html] * This Company Is Secretly Turning Your Zoom Meetings into A.I. Podcasts [https://www.404media.co/this-company-is-secretly-turning-your-zoom-calls-into-ai-podcasts/] * North Korean Hackers Suspected in Axios Software Tool Breach [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-03-31/axios-software-tool-used-by-millions-compromised-in-hack]   We want to hear from you. Email us at hardfork@nytimes.com. Find “Hard Fork” on YouTube [https://www.youtube.com/hardfork] and TikTok [https://www.tiktok.com/@hardfork]. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts [http://nytimes.com/podcasts] or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher [https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher]. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com [https://pcm.adswizz.com] for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.