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Salma Ahmad Caller - Have You Ever Seen A Swan

29 min · 24 de abr de 2026
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In today’s episode we’re speaking with Salma Ahmad Caller, a UK-based multidisciplinary artist with a strong connection to rivers — the Thames and the Nile. Salma worked on Segment 15 of the river Lech — a stretch that, on the surface, has all the appearance of a secret, undisturbed place. You can hear the swans flying. A lone man unmooring his boat. And yet, just upstream, turbines roar. That contrast — between the dream of serenity and the reality of a world in crisis — became the heart of her composition. Get full access to Art Music Science at artmusicscience.substack.com/subscribe [https://artmusicscience.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

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