The Learning To Lead Show with Mark J. Cundiff
#52 Tough and Tender Leadership with Patrick Erwin, Director of Content & Training at The Maxwell Leadership Foundation
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In this episode of The Learning to Lead Show, Mark J. Cundiff [https://www.markjcundiff.com/] sits down with Patrick Erwin [https://www.patrickmerwin.com/], author of I Love This Place [https://amzn.to/4uQ52AV], leadership educator, former high school band director, and Director of Content & Training at Maxwell Leadership. Patrick shares the leadership lessons he learned while building a high-performing high school band program from the ground up and how those lessons apply to every organization—from schools and nonprofits to manufacturing plants and corporate teams. This conversation dives deep into leadership culture, trust, influence, generational leadership, and the balance between driving results while genuinely caring for people. Patrick’s stories are authentic, practical, and filled with wisdom for any growth-minded leader who wants to create a workplace where people truly say, “I love this place.” Key Topics Discussed Patrick Erwin’s Leadership Journey * Starting a brand-new school and band program from scratch * Leading over 300 students while building culture intentionally * How early overconfidence became a catalyst for growth * Lessons learned transitioning from education to Maxwell Leadership The Humbling Feedback That Changed Everything * The anonymous student review that challenged Patrick’s leadership * Why technical skills alone are not enough * Moving from proving yourself to genuinely leading others Why Leaders Miss Their Biggest Blind Spots * The danger of self-assurance without self-awareness * How limited circles limit leadership growth * “We lead as we were led,” and why mentorship matters The Conversation That Redirected His Leadership Patrick’s wife delivered a powerful truth: > “You spend a lot of time talking about leadership and not a lot of time leading.” That moment launched a complete shift in how he viewed influence, relationships, and authentic leadership. Leadership Books Recommended * The 360 Degree Leader — John C. Maxwell [https://amzn.to/3RJc7oy] * How to Get a Return on Failure — John C. Maxwell [https://amzn.to/4tJEIHD] * The Future Begins with Z — Dr. Tim Elmore [https://amzn.to/4wpA4kK] * Undistracted — Bob Goff [https://amzn.to/4dxP8UY] * I love this - Patrick Erwin [https://amzn.to/4wvgaFb] Connect with Patrick Erwin * Website [https://www.patrickmerwin.com/] * LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/patrick-m-erwin-744913255/] * Book-I Love This Place [https://amzn.to/4wvgaFb] Free Learning To Lead Resources * Free Book: The Trust Gap [https://dl.bookfunnel.com/sair0nai5c] * The Learning To Lead Newsletter [https://www.markjcundiff.com/learning-to-lead-newsletter] * LeaderNotes [https://www.markjcundiff.com/leadernotes-register] 🔎 About LeaderNotes LeaderNotes [https://www.markjcundiff.com/leadernotes-register] is a quick-hit companion to each episode of The Learning to Lead Show. In just 5–10 minutes, Mark Cundiff recaps the top leadership insights, frameworks, and action steps from each interview, designed for busy, growth-minded leaders who want to review and apply the episode’s biggest takeaways on the go. It’s like the highlight reel + playbook—all in one. Contact Mark at: mark@markjcundiff.com
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