The Hidden Systems Shaping Democracy & What We Believe - With Deb Roy

Leigh’s Leadership Lessons: Remember, Reframe, Reclaim - A New Way to Lead Through Division and Uncertainty

In a polarized world, it’s become easy to assume that the other side is broken, deficient, dangerous, or beyond repair; and if we are honest, sometimes it really feels this way. But if this is our dominant mindset, creativity, trust, accountability, and connection can be eclipsed by pessimism about what 'could be'. In this episode, host Leigh Morgan explores a different starting place which she calls the Three R's—Remember, Reframe, Reclaim — a novel framework for staying grounded, high agency, and deeply human in times marked by division, distrust, and uncertainty. Drawing from personal reflection, leadership experience, and lessons from systems change work, Leigh examines how many of us have been conditioned into a “fix-it” orientation — constantly diagnosing what’s wrong in ourselves, our teams, institutions, and society. While problem-solving remains essential, Leigh asks whether polarized times require something more relational, expansive, and generative alongside it. Through stories from leading in some of the world's most innovative organizations, Leigh explores how the Three R’s can operate at multiple levels — personally, relationally, organizationally, and systemically. The Three R's: Remember. Resist reducing ourselves or others to stereotypes, failures, or political identities. Reframe. Move beyond “What’s broken?” toward “What’s already working and what’s possible?” Reclaim. Stay intentional and high agency instead of being pulled into reactivity, fear, and outrage. This episode is not about abandoning accountability, or jettisoning problem solving approaches to hard challenges. It’s about exploring how we remain thoughtful, connected, and effective without losing ourselves to polarization. Key take aways include: * Why a constant “fix-it” mindset can unintentionally deepen fear and defensiveness in low-trust environments * The relational cost of reducing people to sides, stereotypes, and moral categories * How leadership changes when we begin from capability and possibility instead of deficiency * What asset-based community development teaches us about strengths, latent capacity, and systems change * How trust-based philanthropy at Nia Tero flipped the script on traditional, 'respond to us' working practices * Why reclaiming agency may be one of the most important leadership practices in polarized times * How to stay politically engaged and accountable -- without mirroring the same harmful rhetoric we oppose -- can be achieved REMEMBER A shift away from immediately reducing ourselves or others to deficiency, failure, or political identity — and toward remembering our humanity, capability, and creative abilities. REFRAME Moving beyond “What’s broken?” toward broader questions like: * What’s already working? * What strengths or capacities already exist? * What possibilities become visible when fear and reactivity aren’t driving the frame? RECLAIM Asserting, in moments where fear, outrage, or polarization tempts us to be reactive, our agency to make choices regardless of circumstance. Reflection Questions * Where am I operating primarily from deficiency or fear? * What assumptions am I making about what — or who — is “broken”? * What strengths, capacities, or possibilities might I be overlooking? * What is actually mine to do in this moment? * How do I stay engaged and accountable without losing my own center? If this episode resonates with you, share it with someone you care about — someone you want to be in deeper conversation with. And if you haven’t already, follow The Space In Between and leave a review. Check out TSIB website at http://spaceinbetweenpodcast.com/remember-reframe-reclaim/

Justice, Mercy, and a Fairness - with Georgia Judge Brandon Bryson

What does it look like to carry authority with humility? In this thoughtful and deeply human conversation, Leigh Morgan sits down with Bartow County, Georgia’s Chief Magistrate Judge Brandon Bryson — whose life and leadership have been shaped by family, faith, service, and a profound respect for the people who enter his courtroom. Presiding over cases that touch every corner of community life has given Judge Bryson a grounded understanding of how easily making assumptions (including about ideology) can mask nuanced realities. And, a how important it is to lead with both curiosity and humanity. Together, they explore how we can all hold people accountable without losing sight of their dignity, why listening can change what we think we know, and how everyday encounters can become opportunities for fairness, and connection. As Judge Bryson notes “compassion doesn’t remove accountability. It helps us make better decisions.” In this episode, Leigh and Judge Bryson explore: * How growing up in Cartersville shaped Brandon’s commitment to service * The values his parents modeled through hard work, tenderness, and sacrifice * Why magistrate court is often called “the people’s court” * What eviction cases, warrants, and small claims reveal about everyday struggle * The difference between judging a case and judging a person * How compassion and accountability can exist in the same courtroom * What he learned from the Presidential Leadership Scholars Program * Why listening for someone’s “why” can open up a different kind of conversation Why this conversation matters So many people are moving through the world carrying fear, stress, shame, or uncertainty that others may never see. Judge Bryson’s courtroom gives him a front-row seat to those realities. People come before him facing the possibility of losing housing, income, freedom, or stability — and he has learned that even a brief moment of respect can stay with someone for years. Learn More About this Episode Check out the full show notes at www.https://spaceinbetweenpodcast.com/justice-mercy-judge-bryson/ Pease leave a review and pass this along to a friend!

How Space Shapes Connection - with Elizabeth MacPherson-Hearn

What if the spaces you move through every day are quietly shaping your mood, your relationships—and even your sense of agency and hope? In this episode, Leigh sits down with renowned designer Elizabeth MacPherson-Hearn to explore the powerful idea that there is no such thing as a neutral space. Together, they unpack how the environments we inhabit influence how grounded, connected, and open we feel—especially in a time marked by division and uncertainty. Through the lens of biophilia, Elizabeth offers both a deeper understanding and practical ways to transform any space—home, office, or community—into a place that restores calm, dignity, and human connection. In a world where so many feel unmoored, anxious, or disconnected, this conversation brings us back to something both ancient and accessible: our relationship to place. Elizabeth defines biophilia as our innate, cellular-level need to connect with nature—and explains how it shows up in three powerful ways: * Direct connection (light, water, nature itself) * Indirect connection (materials, patterns, textures inspired by nature) * Spatial design (how spaces create safety, curiosity, and calm through elements like “prospect and refuge”) Together, Leigh and Elizabeth explore how these principles aren’t just aesthetic—they’re deeply human. They influence our nervous systems, our ability to think clearly, and even our capacity to connect with one another. At a time when many of us spend 85–95% of our lives indoors, the question becomes: What if our spaces could actively support our wellbeing instead of depleting it? Elizabeth shares stories from her work designing schools and public spaces—including how thoughtful design can transform how children learn, engage, and feel in their bodies. She also reflects on how even small choices—light, materials, patterns—can dramatically shift our experience of a space. Most importantly, this episode isn’t about perfect design or privilege. It’s about awareness and agency. Because as Elizabeth reminds us: When you walk into a space and it feels good—there’s a reason. In This Episode, We Explore: * Why there is no such thing as a neutral space * The science and psychology behind biophilia * How design impacts stress, focus, and emotional wellbeing * The concept of “prospect and refuge”—and why you always want the booth * How patterns in nature (like fractals) calm the brain * Why modern life has disconnected us—and how to gently reconnect * Practical ways to bring grounding, beauty, and calm into your everyday spaces A Few Questions to Carry With You: * What spaces in your life make you feel most like yourself? * Where do you feel calm, open, or connected—and why? * What small shift could you make to bring more light, texture, or nature into your day? Why This Conversation Matters At its core, this episode is about reclaiming a sense of agency in uncertain times. When the world feels loud, divided, or overwhelming, place becomes a quiet but powerful ally. By tending to the spaces around us, we begin to steady ourselves within. And from that place—we’re better able to engage, connect, and lead with intention. About Elizabeth MacPherson-Hearn As a leader at the internationally acclaimed architecture firm Mithun, Elizabeth translates visionary thinking into grounded, human-centered spaces. She brings a keen awareness of sensory experience and how people move through daily life, seamlessly blending interior design with architecture to create environments that feel intuitive and connected from the moment you enter. Her deep knowledge of sustainable materials allows her to design spaces that create long-term value across both public and private sectors. A strong listener with a background rooted in physiology, Elizabeth designs places that people don’t just use—but feel. Her work is guided by a deep understanding of biophilia—the innate, sensory connection between humans and the natural world—which she lectures on nationally.

How Not to Harden in Hard Times - with John Wood Jr.

In this timely episode of The Space In Between, host Leigh Morgan sits down with John Wood Jr [https://thebreakthrough.org/people/john-wood-jr]. — a national leader in the American depolarization movement, former GOP candidate for Congress and an inspiring voice for principled bridge-building — to explore one of the most pressing tensions of our time: how to hold strong convictions without becoming self-righteous or contributing to deeper division. John's personal story as the son of a conservative, white southernor and a liberal, black mom from LA is a testament to how differences can mold character, insight, understanding, and acceptance. At a moment when many of us feel morally awake — and highly motivated to ‘do good’ while also navigating a culture shaped by low trust, shifting of democratic norms, and polarization—this conversation asks some complicated and difficult questions: * how do we pursue justice and accountability without reinforcing the very brokenness we are trying to address? and * how can we embody love and do so at a time of so much unneeded suffering?  This episode is a salve for the soul and offers practice insights on how to create a more perfect union at home, at work, and across the country. Check out The Space In Between website for detailed show notes at https://spaceinbetweenpodcast.com/how-not-to-harden-in-hard-times-with-john-wood-jr/. And if you love the show - leave a review and pass this link along!

Leigh’s Leadership Lessons: Mad, But Not Mean

Anger is having a moment. You feel it. I feel it.  Everyone seems to be carrying around a lit match… just waiting for something to burn.  But here’s the uncomfortable question: What if the biggest problem isn’t anger itself… but how we’re using it?  In this solo episode, I take on something most of us don’t want to admit:  That the same anger we believe is justified… can quietly turn into something else entirely.  Something sharper.  More self-righteous.  More dehumanizing.  And once it crosses that line, i starts feeding the very thing we say we’re against: injustice.  I also wrestle with my own anger in real time—offering a raw, honest look at what it actually takes to navigate this tension when it’s deeply personal.  Check out all the Space In Between website for detailed show notes at www.spaceinbetween.com. Please leave a review, share this episode and enjoy!