THIS Leader Podcast
You're working hard. You're skilled. You're committed. So why do the same frustrations keep showing up — in your team, in your organization, and if you're honest, in yourself? In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Ryan Gottfredson — Wall Street Journal and USA Today bestselling author, professor of leadership at Cal State Fullerton, and global authority on vertical development — to explore the question that changes everything: it's not what leaders need to do, it's who leaders need to be. We dig into: * The difference between your Doing Side (talent, knowledge, skills) and your Being Side (mindsets, emotional regulation, internal operating system) — and why most leaders miss their "being" side * The three vertical development levels — Mind 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0 — and why 64% of adults never move beyond the first * What Fifth Gear leadership looks like (urgency, control, high RPMs) and why pushing harder only leads to more burnout * How shifting into Sixth Gear allows you to move faster with less strain — and what it actually takes to get there * Three levels of Being Side development work: surface, deeper, and deepest — and practical starting points for each * Why our fears and unconscious programming, not our lack of skill, are what's really holding us back Resources Mentioned: 1. Ryan Gottfredson's website & free assessments [https://ryangottfredson.com/] (Personal Mindset Assessment + Vertical Development Assessment) 2. Becoming Better: The Groundbreaking Science of Personal Transformation [https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Better-Groundbreaking-Personal-Transformation/dp/1774585820] by Dr. Ryan Gottfredson 3. The Body Keeps the Score [https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&pf=1&ai=DChsSEwj89tiH9-OTAxX3pVAGHeS6I7cYACICCAEQABoCZGc&co=1&ase=2&gclid=Cj0KCQjwv-LOBhCdARIsAM5hdKcm2ionQa1mb1xVrLabR30LHfgCFPSEANPHn5jpDjKEH8F-ciaxq2saAht-EALw_wcB&cid=CAASugHkaD2lsJUCZJarzfTTfDcPVbe1F4Uv4B23tEg5BhVueji59bimKLWhe92OX49Qvf0XjkJOEKpoHelhoyT39Uca-rmInfxVZBP9qr6qKbUGhPSppGp-xmHcogF2JNgZIPnNLREZ1AopVvBpgFl6EfUfbjotrcCIoKNA7jpGMAPTlJ-9vFhhQHsnMduvEw7kRc2PliAIuv1Rpz2WlYx6K5KsdvnC_uzGtXfnJECS_vheQQXn-qNDZPmEm8Q&cce=2&category=acrcp_v1_32&sig=AOD64_0nT-4QW1MiX7jaZYeGEF36DTOqjw&q&nis=4&adurl=https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie%3DUTF8%26keywords%3Dthe%2Bbody%2Bkeeps%2Bthe%2Bscore%26index%3Daps%26tag%3Dhydglogoo-20%26ref%3Dpd_sl_4oumz33885_e%26adgrpid%3D83219320244%26hvpone%3D%26hvptwo%3D%26hvadid%3D585479351966%26hvpos%3D%26hvnetw%3Dg%26hvrand%3D16688220073260478107%26hvqmt%3De%26hvdev%3Dc%26hvdvcmdl%3D%26hvlocint%3D%26hvlocphy%3D1010288%26hvtargid%3Dkwd-296345369694%26hydadcr%3D28017_14525551%26mcid%3Dd435899204f33c2d8011aec8556e13d5&ved=2ahUKEwizjM6H9-OTAxXGWUEAHclYNUsQ0Qx6BAgbEAE] by Bessel van der Kolk 4. The Five Minute Journal by Intelligent Change [https://www.intelligentchange.com/collections/the-five-minute-journal-collection?srsltid=AfmBOoq8csZ1LeHnuBbFIFjXrKUhLpyP24-yVmOL0TJMjyQu96PM48_U] 5. You Are a Badass by Jen Sincero [https://www.amazon.com/You-Are-Badass%C2%AE-Doubting-Greatness/dp/0762447699] 6. Hit Refresh by Satya Nadella [https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&pf=1&ai=DChsSEwjh0ef0s-WTAxWVl1AGHQirBdcYACICCAEQABoCZGc&co=1&ase=2&gclid=CjwKCAjw4ufOBhBkEiwAfuC7-RWvA42tNVwq5AalsItByD9gU1BixCMJyHKAbQhtlvF_1apUay2RkhoC_gEQAvD_BwE&cid=CAASuwHkaJ9mg3knGH5g1ULj-PfXA5EYxtxpap3_GuAXUgELxzVOX0KCC8x1AsWCPjKdhnTuCGozeY1JgoEUJB9imB_GFP5YGn46r4rh3vv9dl_IV5g5TEYEWds6MouzcwNdw7XICW2Vkteft25M0SsDKjdpAZgzZoE2LbYVtkBDVMzJAgHz-yWbLLf-xN_bSJ-OKGeTNeAgIIV7_8h0kDXTKpJnnaRkLIhoCWjN5f00puwM00sPVv9nFNrAxJjd&cce=2&category=acrcp_v1_32&sig=AOD64_0xN3IrMjE30_odWQ_aoxb0cos6QA&q&nis=4&adurl=https://www.amazon.com/s/?ie%3DUTF8%26keywords%3Dhit%2Brefresh%2Bby%2Bsatya%2Bnadella%26index%3Daps%26tag%3Dhydglogoo-20%26ref%3Dpd_sl_8kemhjp768_e%26adgrpid%3D84462239907%26hvpone%3D%26hvptwo%3D%26hvadid%3D673549728717%26hvpos%3D%26hvnetw%3Dg%26hvrand%3D5914927674737105136%26hvqmt%3De%26hvdev%3Dc%26hvdvcmdl%3D%26hvlocint%3D%26hvlocphy%3D1010288%26hvtargid%3Dkwd-352529003731%26hydadcr%3D26701_11784467%26mcid%3D41b64d4cd3dc344a96be457107eac75e&ved=2ahUKEwitueH0s-WTAxVCVEEAHSA1NwsQ0Qx6BQiFARAB] Visit ClaireLaughlin.com [https://www.clairelaughlin.com/] and connect with me @Claire Laughlin Consulting on Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/clairelaughlinconsulting/] and LinkedIn. Thanks for listening! New episodes are released weekly—share with others who might benefit!
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