Tutum Talk with Cara Nance
What if motivation isn’t something you have… or don’t have? What if it’s something that can be intentionally built? In Episode 30 of Tutum Talk, Cara is joined by returning guests Zoë Dehmer and Dr. Jesse Erdheim for a thoughtful and practical conversation about the myth of motivation—and what leaders often misunderstand about it. Together, they explore what’s really happening when individuals or teams feel “unmotivated,” and why the answer isn’t more pressure, incentives, or pushing harder. Instead, this conversation invites a different perspective: motivation is something that can be designed. Through the lenses of leadership, psychology, and real-world experience, Zoë and Jesse share how factors like growth, autonomy, and purpose shape engagement in lasting ways. If you’ve been feeling stuck, burnt out, or unsure how to re-engage yourself or your team, this episode offers both a reframe and a way forward. 🎧 Tune in to explore how motivation is not found—it’s engineered. If this conversation resonates, you don’t have to navigate it alone. You’re always welcome to connect 1:1 through the Let’s Connect link to explore what support could look like for you. 📝 Show Notes In this episode, Cara sits down with returning guests Zoë Dehmer and Dr. Jesse Erdheim to explore one of the most common—and often misunderstood—topics in leadership: motivation. Rather than viewing motivation as something people either have or lack, this conversation reframes it as something shaped by environment, leadership, and access to growth. Together, they unpack the difference between intrinsic and extrinsic motivation, and why so many organizations unintentionally focus on the wrong drivers. Zoë and Jesse share practical insights for leaders who want to create conditions where motivation can actually take root and sustain itself over time. In this episode, we explore: * Why “lack of motivation” is often a signal, not the root problem * The difference between intrinsic and extrinsic motivation * How mastery, autonomy, and purpose influence engagement * The role of learning and development in sustaining motivation * Why personalized growth matters more than one-size-fits-all approaches * How leaders can more clearly communicate purpose and connection * The real cost of disengagement, including burnout and turnover This episode offers both a mindset shift and practical strategies for leaders who want to move from frustration to intentional design. Connect with Zoë Dehmer, MPS, ACC at https://www.zoedehmer.com/ [https://www.zoedehmer.com/] Connect with Jesse Erdheim, Ph.D. at https://www.jesseerdheim.com/ [https://www.jesseerdheim.com/] Connect with Cara Nance, M.Ed. at https://www.tutumleadershipcoaching.com/ [https://www.tutumleadershipcoaching.com/] * 6 in 6 Mastermind info here [https://www.tutumleadershipcoaching.com/mastermind-registration] About Tutum Talk: Tutum Talk with Cara Nance is a podcast for leaders who lead with heart - even when they doubt themselves. Through honest conversations about presence, intuition, courage, and connection, Cara helps listeners build leadership rooted in humanity, not perfection. Music provided by Music_Unlimited
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