We So Desperately Want It To Make Sense

"Maybe I Need An Empty Drawer"

On this episode of Needed To Hear That, Chaz and Chris tackle a question that seems simple on the surface but gets more complicated the longer you sit with it: How do you know when you're doing too much? The conversation explores the tension between ambition and burnout, service and self-neglect, and why so many people feel simultaneously overwhelmed and convinced they aren't doing enough. Drawing from personal experiences in recovery, business ownership, ministry, parenting, and mental health work, they unpack the pressure to constantly produce, stay busy, and keep adding new responsibilities—even when the fire is already burning hot. Along the way, they discuss hustle culture, guilt, people-pleasing, boundaries, disappointment, and the uncomfortable reality that taking care of yourself sometimes means letting someone else down. Chaz shares stories from therapy and Buddhist teachings, while Chris reflects on recovery, work, family life, and the challenge of learning that rest doesn't have to be earned. This episode is ultimately an invitation to slow down, take inventory, and ask yourself a difficult question: Are you filling your life because it's meaningful, or because you're afraid of what you'll find in the empty space?

"The Power of Someone Believing In You"

On this episode of Needed To Hear That, Chaz and Chris are joined by therapist, educator, and Learn to Live founder Matt Bauersachs for a conversation about mentorship, purpose, therapy, recovery, and the people who shape who we become. The conversation starts as a discussion about social work school and professional development and quickly turns into a deeper exploration of what it means to truly help others—and why the best mentors often see something in us before we're able to see it ourselves.Matt shares stories from his journey through graduate school, working in adolescent treatment, launching Learn to Live, and helping young people navigate trauma, addiction, abandonment, and emotional dysregulation. The conversation explores how healing happens through relationships, why boundaries matter, and how consistency can change the trajectory of someone's life. Along the way, the three discuss foster care, mentorship, therapy, burnout, education, and the difficult balance between caring deeply and protecting your own well-being.The episode also dives into the power of encouragement, the impact a single teacher or mentor can have, and why some of the most important words we ever hear are simply, "You're going to be okay." Thoughtful, funny, and full of practical wisdom, this conversation is a reminder that growth rarely happens alone—and that the right people can change your life in ways they may never fully understand.

We So Desperately Want It To Make Sense

On this episode of Needed To Hear That, Chaz and Chris dive into grief, mortality, resilience, and the uncomfortable reality that literally anything can happen at any time. The conversation starts with the sudden death of NASCAR star Kyle Busch and evolves into something deeper: how humans try to make sense of tragedy, why sudden loss feels so destabilizing, and what happens when grief collides with the illusion of control.They unpack parasocial relationships, the emotional weight of public mourning, and the terrifying realization that strength, success, money, or fame don’t exempt anyone from suffering. Along the way, Chaz explores the spiritual concept that “anything can happen,” why people instinctively search for someone or something to blame after tragedy, and why humility matters when sitting with people who are struggling.The episode also touches on addiction, aging, mental health, spirituality, therapy, prayer, and the subtle but powerful reminder that nobody chooses suffering. Chaz shares a story from a centering prayer group that reframed the way he thinks about illness and pain, while Chris reflects on grief, fatherhood, and his fear of leaving Charlie too soon after losing his own dad.There’s heartbreak, dark humor, NASCAR references, Greek mythology, Tony Soprano, bacon-wrapped chicken livers, and profound conversations about how we show up for people when life gets hard.

We're All Just Walking Each Other Home

On this episode of Needed To Hear That, Chaz and Chris dive into the fear, guilt, and shame that can come with “starting over.” What begins as a conversation about meditation and mindfulness slowly unfolds into something much deeper — why people struggle to return to the things that once helped them feel whole.Using the concept of the “abstinence violation effect,” the conversation explores the all-or-nothing mindset that shows up in recovery, dieting, fitness, therapy, spirituality, and everyday life. They unpack the dangerous belief that one mistake erases all progress, and why so many people feel like they’ve lost the right to come back after falling off track. Along the way, they discuss relapse, self-compassion, New Year’s resolutions, gym culture, therapy, meditation, addiction recovery, and the quiet fear of being judged when trying again.The episode also weaves through Buddhist teachings, Christian spirituality, the story of the prodigal son, the Buddhist parable of the destitute child, and the idea that maybe “home” is something we’re all searching for in one way or another. Funny, thoughtful, deeply human, and emotionally honest — this conversation is a reminder that slipping backwards doesn’t erase the work you’ve already done.You can find the article that Chaz referenced in the episode here: https://southshorerecovery.com/abstinence-violation-effect/

We’re All Beginners | Feeling Stuck, Comparison & Finding Your People

This week on Needed To Hear That, the conversation starts with wrestling conventions, anime communities, Buff Bagwell’s amputated leg, and Mick Foley nostalgia… before slowly unfolding into something much deeper: why so many of us feel stuck. Chris and Chaz unpack the pressure to constantly improve, achieve, evolve, and “figure it out” — and how comparison quietly steals our ability to recognize growth while it’s happening. From body image and recovery to spirituality, depression, therapy, and social media, they explore the difference between genuine curiosity and self-criticism, and why patience with yourself is a lot harder than it sounds. The episode dives into ideas like beginner’s mind, complacency versus contentment, the fear of the unknown, and the importance of finding spaces where you actually feel seen. Along the way, there are stories about wrestling fandoms, Dungeons & Dragons, anime conventions, Buddhist parables, recovery meetings, and why “having too many irons in the fire” may or may not be a personal attack. Funny, thoughtful, surprisingly emotional, and full of the kind of conversations that make you stop and examine your own inner dialogue — this one is about learning that maybe being “stuck” doesn’t mean you’ve stopped moving after all.