Matt Tavares, Mayor of Breakfast Town

PG/Get Serious: Kara Jones

*Heads up, parents, this episode is NOT for the kiddos! Today's Get Serious is with licensed professional counselor, counseling supervisor, and certified sex therapy associate Kara Jones all about healthy sexual intimacy within the covenant of marriage. It's an episode to forward along to your soon-to-be-married friends or your moms group--Kara is a wealth of knowledge mixed with deep sincerity and compassion on a topic that has long-plagued believers in the modern church. After some silliness and giggles on her Amazon search history and her husband's...shall we say...EAGERNESS to collect the Amazon deliveries, Kara and Holly will delve into how sex reflects how God made us to be drawn to his covenental, relational love, and all about Yada, or the Hebrew word for deep, experiential, relational knowledge of another. Plus they'll address the most common ditch Kara sees loving couples fall into before they arrive in her office. Kara kindly shares her nerd-out knowledge with us and offers multiple resources she strongly recommends, such as: The Great Sex Rescue [https://www.amazon.com/Great-Sex-Rescue-Recover-Intended/dp/1540900827/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2NYKPTIE2FC8S&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.xkuFR5dD4-ERJ1arBOn1eiSOGcT9_5iwg9ktfOR6Uu8dNt32aWxBvpIqlp_WD58mL2ID06adOCntQbpTWePi9QWcgjrGCN7cEZNonnTjsrPlen57n47AvXCGghLE7O1Sntj45qmLZUiSU6Fa3N0Yj_27RJtmkvvExPIxjfnNZE-kL8Cu9H5AuEkcxDByeP0ZLpcmD-i3XexcBje8n_Z0Av-nhrF-IR2xVitZlMweV18.oQIJSz0tJ1n0g6cteEhWSoielqV99b02NHATMkE7b-4&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+great+sex+rescue+book&qid=1780233257&sprefix=the+great+sex+rescue+book%2Caps%2C162&sr=8-1], Sheila Wray Gregoire Rethinking Sexuality [https://www.amazon.com/dp/0735291470?ref=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cso_cp_apin_dp_RA0TWB1NGPWQED0C4R40&ref_=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cso_cp_apin_dp_RA0TWB1NGPWQED0C4R40&social_share=cm_sw_r_ffobk_cso_cp_apin_dp_RA0TWB1NGPWQED0C4R40&bestFormat=true&rsd=Gm4nISKWKiHDgNgxrPwuyTrE9oZeq7rPlvqNrXvsoZ62WONnB4MZdATdYAKHwnqdC6iLOiYvoh6ZGVvqEs3Oc9bGZkAbRq86na9oZiosQWeQKHWy&edk=AQIDAHi1lw%2FM8UbbSMD9ScOOFEmBMHMthHeEhqDaQYPJUAX3jQHfLEsFGz5iAcxybm6%2B%2F1HUAAAAfjB8BgkqhkiG9w0BBwagbzBtAgEAMGgGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMwBLgoBXtqY0j4u6xAgEQgDsat6ODaF0S5cbktfBm68JIMb9sWoxVmcQUvV9jVByr5nNwUo1M0LqYPMeM40ElX3O%2Bjvv5HNNljIuBjw%3D%3D], Juli Slattery Come As You Are [https://www.amazon.com/Come-You-Are-Surprising-Transform/dp/1982165316/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2O3FT0VB9YL3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.KXYwluWcF_JsrKtc8l0N4XhoBHr1dRl9UfHGBKMJELff5pfBObkcDbagJPN8sRN_hXTZ1NZ47TgyNmLomMEYp2wndEnPwG7qsF6-Dep2_mrGbsLucGU3OCPEvGXikpLcOnOMOzsOdOElJIaHaaU_HibNBD1oKuKR2Xu6b5Akb7mczTm24xvO21jVnAGnw18-XtgQ6GGxcGOf6KzgQhzi2J-GUdFVSLum5tGDdtkTpXw.P291qLrS8qRDrweU5eZL3hTY-Sw_wtU0dvVfOGSn_t8&dib_tag=se&keywords=come+as+you+are+book+emily&qid=1780233366&sprefix=come+as+you+are+book+emily%2Caps%2C182&sr=8-1], Emily Nagoski or any titles by Clifford & Joyce Penner such as Restoring the Pleasure [https://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Pleasure-Thomas-Nelson/dp/0718077555/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2RC11HNG27IOG&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.EJjh1r0e-PSg1Ho3phzyqGJlX4b33uKMhyNXNIVAWI3987pVHNPQFGqotZy4Oe5-YK9gUMo5gFgrPhYQlj-72lbQVj8tOVsNJS4v1A9GuX2xiYMazS5PTcXuOjrLV-kS8accREJK-9twuUXl-SusgA.JnYDl2_DNQxAFZ358BRy8e_P91h215YKOFFL7qFfA6E&dib_tag=se&keywords=restoring+the+pleasure+by+clifford+%26+joyce+penner&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1780233441&sprefix=restoring+the+pleasure+%2Caps%2C166&sr=8-1], Enjoy! The Gift of Sexual Pleasure for Women [https://www.amazon.com/Enjoy-Gift-Sexual-Pleasure-Women/dp/1589978021/ref=sr_1_3?crid=RCWLA2MV5JRF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z_RgvVaa-Sr1wh-MHf-Git3cqAgb8q6EnkW2k8QDbRvxLIAH7ZquQ7gEFv6lztAFOWczYvKm2Jjs3oXYLtAT4gLoml0273CRKGPyEaoQcdYKY3ArHZYAFuKGljFXCEMeJFoWWakJ6x5VE-5HPLC_5dPBoN8oRV1N0CQmlS0pUFFbJKx52tbH2OdLXVjIneMtLw9v8Cif9n0_Jccc2sm3hCnhjv5ePXqTIMVZEOo_CyQ.sMO6VzG9EGdqUDd9QRH_4MrRoLQdV7pgdMoQrarvhak&dib_tag=se&keywords=clifford+and+joyce+penner+books&qid=1780233479&sprefix=clifford+%26+joyce+penner%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-3], or Getting Your Sex Life Off to a Great Start: A Guide for Engaged or Newlywed Couples [https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Your-Life-Great-Start/dp/0849935156/ref=sr_1_2?crid=RCWLA2MV5JRF&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z_RgvVaa-Sr1wh-MHf-Git3cqAgb8q6EnkW2k8QDbRvxLIAH7ZquQ7gEFv6lztAFOWczYvKm2Jjs3oXYLtAT4gLoml0273CRKGPyEaoQcdYKY3ArHZYAFuKGljFXCEMeJFoWWakJ6x5VE-5HPLC_5dPBoN8oRV1N0CQmlS0pUFFbJKx52tbH2OdLXVjIneMtLw9v8Cif9n0_Jccc2sm3hCnhjv5ePXqTIMVZEOo_CyQ.sMO6VzG9EGdqUDd9QRH_4MrRoLQdV7pgdMoQrarvhak&dib_tag=se&keywords=clifford+and+joyce+penner+books&qid=1780233479&sprefix=clifford+%26+joyce+penner%2Caps%2C145&sr=8-2] (Holly would like it noted that her Amazon search history has also now been impacted.) If you've never listened to the Unseriously episode with Birds & Bees' Mary Flo Ridley and Megan Michaelson all about training up kiddos drip by drip on this same topic, you can find that here [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-the-pg-episode-drop-2/id1790642193?i=1000705240101], plus don't miss their traditional episode of Unseriously replete with the usual silliness here [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mary-flo-ridley-and-megan-michaelson-danced-at-their/id1790642193?i=1000703449608]. Kara Jones is licensed to see clients located in Alabama at the time of service and can be reached here via the Covenant Counseling web site [https://www.covenantcounsel.com/counselors/kara-jones/]. Kara recommends the database for the American Board of Christian Sex Therapists [https://www.sexualwholeness.com/] to locate a like-minded and trained sex therapist certified for your geographical location. Music for Unseriously was composed and produced by Adam Wright, founder of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Corner Room⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.cornerroommusic.com/], a ministry that sets the Bible to music as a tool for memorization and meditation. You can follow The Corner Room on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/cornerroommusic/]. Find podcast news, behind the scenes, and all things Unseriously ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@hollymacklebooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/hollymacklebooks/]. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

Matt Tavares, Mayor of Breakfast Town

Don't just honk from the driveway, come on up to the door for this special Memorial Day episode from author and illustrator Matt Tavares. Along with Jeff Gottesfeld, Matt has created two very special patriotic picture books, Honor Flight [https://www.amazon.com/Honor-Flight-Celebrating-Americas-Veterans/dp/1536230154/ref=sr_1_1?crid=23OANLUGNZ0XS&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.V91n1V4jECrOd88u4P-GncIwSio7pSAGp3kJkbu4FjN127sQ4yAn3sKC05DafJxsXPy52b80oNRSmqy957nuoNeoBZxlxGNClQEbWb5QSl2ftQaN5acpHagBgMtH77I9EqNcJGiZ9Pj5Amy6bbZNvdQWH4ISdl_Fm14vZiVdrUiehxDam12mIASJdYfxaNJ6cKW5sNs4XJymE-833JNxIt3RmQLcGCbBt0tdIymvg1M.PMRbEXnqFlaakHG79ECATnCpwa4TDMYrjg1XAFkvjgM&dib_tag=se&keywords=honor+flight&qid=1779629653&sprefix=honor+fligh%2Caps%2C192&sr=8-1], and 21 Steps [https://www.amazon.com/Twenty-One-Steps-Guarding-Tomb-Soldier/dp/1536201480/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ARHHFQUUKYCN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.aRELA1S1r8YP8j1iHgPIqaH0D_klYeGx1oDiCmH3c5pvy1YXU198HJFiIeDE6fTu_dMEWexmTPpGOE5P8Vt0QL8yESOzV8nKWbygv0FWhZM7tU31J5JP_EeHp_ZEDOpKhnx8uZRWIycR2DxoYvW8fCClyaPbCBDDknyk9lGytq5knPAIQUIt-HbKo87VHKe80REI9NrrcjlnZSyed9Ai6fn4FHTKEtP3_JPhG6xtVB4.uIu473YCte_DoSeIODcyaxBuDfKmkHEoq29E-rcKARk&dib_tag=se&keywords=21+steps&qid=1779629678&sprefix=21+step%2Caps%2C208&sr=8-1], that he and Holly will discuss, along with all the anticipated Unseriously silliness. Matt will tell Holly about putting his beloved family members into awkward scenarios, that time in Nebraska where he got shamed by Google maps, and doubling down on the bad jokes...plus Ryan T. Higgins will just keep showing up. Don't miss the parts near the end where Matt explains the military honor of a "challenge coin," plus hear this purveyor of wide-eyed wonder talk about being in the room with a whole bunch of esteemed service members. While Memorial Day is special and distinct from Veteran's Day, it's still a great day to call your favorite veteran or active-duty military serviceperson and thank them for their service...tell them you see what they did there. We hope this episode of Unseriously makes you want to do just that! Be sure to check @hollymacklebooks on Instagram to enter to win a special Memorial Day giveaway of Matt's patriotic books straight from Candlewick Press [https://www.candlewick.com/]. Music for Unseriously was composed and produced by Adam Wright, founder of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Corner Room⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.cornerroommusic.com/], a ministry that sets the Bible to music as a tool for memorization and meditation. You can follow The Corner Room on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/cornerroommusic/]. Find podcast news, behind the scenes, and all things Unseriously ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@hollymacklebooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/hollymacklebooks/]. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

Carolyn Weber Skips to Her Loo

Don't let her interrupt you, but Carolyn Weber would like to talk Kardashians and moral ethics. Prepare to be charmed by author and esteemed* scholar Carolyn Weber. She and Holly will chat puns, fairy tales, and that streaker poem...not to mention how Carolyn really just wants to do a craft with you. Hear how TDH morphed into TBH, but don't dare judge either him, the Sludgy Pudgy Judgey, or the fact that Carolyn is probably wearing maternity pants right this minute. Carolyn's next book, Four Questions God Asks: Responding to God's Invitation for a Deeper Relationship with Him [https://www.amazon.com/Four-Questions-God-Asks-Relationship/dp/1540905403], is out with Baker Books this November, and Holly of course recommends Carolyn's Oxford years memoir, Surprised by Oxford [https://www.amazon.com/Surprised-Oxford-Memoir-Carolyn-Weber-ebook/dp/B005EH36RI/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3OREGMHLHIS0Z&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vskS7ciyV_jKVfNTijDZBdIIJ5Pj26eYy1m-peloRa__M6qSXtmOEnIGkjCM9wgkQYSVpU8BMgfM6AEZeHPjymPYA9hGOMGD_Qu6C93xGMWkm3buT2U0DozKoeztmXwlU3MExHXXgZpHsNIqQeVzkhjOHgY0Hp4-Rpt6zLz01KCKhFucnXrJ7nAxwrWPdnJqSC9QZ5F_OL-RH7yHNw_mA6eoG_ZswsMFf5cpUz5FPaA.Zrf6QqKsNPH5rgMGUhYOLEIxGYyqlr8dwJK54Roueew&dib_tag=se&keywords=surprised+by+oxford&qid=1779013321&s=books&sprefix=surprised+by+oxford%2Cstripbooks%2C176&sr=1-1]. Find Carolyn on her web site, carolynweber.com [https://www.carolynweber.com/], or on Twitter. *just don't ask her kids to opine on that esteemed part Music for Unseriously was composed and produced by Adam Wright, founder of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Corner Room⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.cornerroommusic.com/], a ministry that sets the Bible to music as a tool for memorization and meditation. You can follow The Corner Room on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/cornerroommusic/]. Find podcast news, behind the scenes, and all things Unseriously ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@hollymacklebooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/hollymacklebooks/]. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

Bonus Summer Reading Episode + Joy Luck Summer Details

Surprise! And happy summer! Just in time for summer reading it's a bonus Unseriously all about the summertime reads. We'll have a little something for everyone--easy summer rom-com recs from Sarah Armstrong, aka @simply.sarahendipity [https://www.instagram.com/simply.sarahendipity/], some literary fiction recs from English teacher Nicole Conrad of @theturnedpage_bhm [https://www.instagram.com/theturnedpage_bhm/], and family-friendly read-aloud recs for all ages direct from Holly. PLUS: don't miss the invitation to The Joy Luck Summer--a no cost/no stakes invite to join all three of us in reading Amy Tan's The Joy Luck Club [https://www.amazon.com/Joy-Luck-Club-Novel/dp/0143038095/ref=sr_1_2?crid=1G1WN3W2F0F7B&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.5zxjUrx7WYKZX3rktKjEQr_4-aCFeS8N4h5MhorVl-zPCgbXJVwDDYekwePUAY5KI7uVFV3nEM4PWsNlC1zOXnLaQE3mGBmc3vL6dJAR_kEkMtUMuDah9LpujTSrxp_joJ6l9nwk5XbkGfIzk-1BJgcagCAA5suve1moXTzCGRYd0WWjniSD_bJvVY4bzr1kKlN9noh6A_2PRmQu8s8_D0uCmJamSyZRt1ETODMCC0c.RSFVAod8tyg-aFp8tpz75Qw45A5vZnBb7ctcKR7U3fA&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+joy+luck+club&qid=1778514212&sprefix=the+joy+luck+club%2Caps%2C152&sr=8-2], and meeting online for book club together, Monday night, June 29th. Hope you enjoy this episode, get that library hold placed for The Joy Luck Club, and stay tuned to any of our Instagram's for details on The Joy Luck Summer! Music for Unseriously was composed and produced by Adam Wright, founder of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Corner Room⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.cornerroommusic.com/], a ministry that sets the Bible to music as a tool for memorization and meditation. You can follow The Corner Room on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/cornerroommusic/]. Find podcast news, behind the scenes, and all things Unseriously ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@hollymacklebooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/hollymacklebooks/]. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].

Larry Bolden and Anisa Sumlar Are Grappling

Count out the syllables, it's Larry Bolden and Anisa Sumlar of the Wellspring Group up this week to talk about collaboration, community, and...learning?? It's a heart-level episode that bounces from the silly to the meaningful and back again--plus, gird up your loins for a couple of Holly's particular soap boxes. You can find resources for your church or small group study at Wellspring Group [https://www.wellspringgroup.org/], or look for their book, Becoming Whole-Hearted [https://www.wellspringgroup.org/becoming-wholehearted], one of Holly's 5-star reads for 2026 so far, out now and available here [https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Wholehearted-Created-Connection-Yourself/dp/B0GKT93JN8/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2V89APU80NZM2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vIQcg4dWS1kKgCs64_9yn6hRonytDNrPgmb9_9_DbYbcYy-nuCtPdJ2gH-3qybdfR0Ibdz-BQYbQ6LIAqDumxmw70-lS8xm9ESLbjAn2nCh_9KEd3mCbe92f4d5mK2HcDm3wFM3xDYVuYQx6Sk6DO4uKRsv97qiNwUVQoX6mc_KRqyV68FJeG04y0YBb4GB52Ol5aPOgHZVu33Z6YbP8tBVBXLCkaiDzI8r-Qvl4uNg.ctFc8T-tJKHEXFsYSwQ5tNVREzfLDhzMIvUwSeUhORw&dib_tag=se&keywords=becoming+wholehearted+book&qid=1778284716&sprefix=becoming+wholehearted+book%2Caps%2C174&sr=8-1]. Music for Unseriously was composed and produced by Adam Wright, founder of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Corner Room⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.cornerroommusic.com/], a ministry that sets the Bible to music as a tool for memorization and meditation. You can follow The Corner Room on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/cornerroommusic/]. Find podcast news, behind the scenes, and all things Unseriously ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@hollymacklebooks⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/hollymacklebooks/]. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy [https://art19.com/privacy] and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info [https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info].