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AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW PODCAST EPISODE 017: SUSIE BRIGHT Susie Bright on And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Susie-Bright-on-And-The-Next-Thing-You-Know-podcast.png?fit=495%2C339&ssl=1] Susie Bright, all pink like ruby grapefruit! Susie Bright, prolific author, editor, and sex-positive feminist pioneer, is on And The Next Thing You Know podcast! Susie and I got together to talk about our evolving relationships with alcohol. For a lot of us, the social isolation of the pandemic shifted our drinking habits. This was true for me, as well as for Susie and her partner Jon. My conversation with Susie about booze comes from a harm reduction perspective. Let’s be honest about how people choose to live and celebrate joy, and minimize the harm. In the era of early HIV/AIDS, Susie contributed to a more transparent cultural dialogue celebrating sex and sexuality, and helped us take the shame out of it. That’s how it’s done. Susie Bright’s list of credits and accomplishments is vast! She was the editor of On Our Backs magazine from 1984 to 1991, author of Susie Sexpert’s Lesbian Sex World, author and editor of scores of other books and erotica collections, and one of Hollywood’s first intimacy coordinators—before it was even a thing—on the set of Lana and Lily Wachowski’s film Bound. She continues to share her prolific work with the world as a film and culture critic, expert teacher of writing and publishing, and audio producer who brought Allison Bechtel’s groundbreaking Dykes To Watch Out For comics to life for Audible last year. Find Susie Bright at her blog https://susiebright.ink [https://susiebright.ink/] REFERENCES THE SUZ(S)IES TALKED ABOUT IN THE EPISODE Suzie Sherman, host of And The Next Thing You Know podcast, and a stack of books [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Suzie-Sherman-on-And-The-Next-Thing-You-Know-podcast-recording-setup.jpg?fit=450%2C350&ssl=1] Me and a bespoke stack o’ books for Susie Tristan Taormino’s [https://tristantaormino.com/] Opening Up, Vito Russo’s [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vito_Russo] The Celluloid Closet, Please Kill Me: The Uncensored Oral History of Punk [https://pleasekillme.com/please-kill-uncensored-oral-history-punk-book/] by Legs McNeil and Gillian McCain Susie’s commentary on queer self-hatred in The Children’s Hour [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=429gotnYSt0] from the 1995 documentary The Celluloid Closet, based on Vito Russo’s book. (YouTube link) Radical Desire: Making On Our Backs Magazine [https://rmc.library.cornell.edu/radicaldesire/introduction.php] at the Cornell University archive Susie Bright’s books at Bookshop Santa Cruz  [https://www.bookshopsantacruz.com/search/site/susie%20bright] Susie Bright on the director’s commentary for Lana and Lily Wachowski’s film Bound (1996) [https://youtu.be/80ubTq0AhTo?si=5GoslN8qQqqwmady](YouTube link) [*Note – the commentary on Bound was before Lana and Lily both publicly identified as trans, so they’re using their former names here.] Alison Bechdel’s Dykes To Watch Out For review in the Advocate [https://www.advocate.com/books/dykes-to-watch-out-for]“Bechdel said the project was the brainchild of Audible’s editor-at-large Susie Bright.” Honey Lee Cottrell [https://susiebright.ink/p/honey-lee-cottrell-in-memoriam] – Susie’s ex-partner, contributing photographer (and first centerfold!) On Our Backs magazine Clip from Little Miss Sunshine (2006) directed by Jonathan Dayton and Valerie Faris, written by Michael Arndt, used for education and commentary only. Sackler and Purdue Pharma lawsuit update from December, 2023 [https://abc7chicago.com/purdue-pharma-sackler-family-opioid-crisis-settlement/14139811/] FACT CHECK: Did Snoop Dogg really quit smoking cannabis? According to USA Today, this was a “humorous marketing ploy” to promote his smokeless campfire pit product [https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/health-wellness/2023/11/21/snoop-dogg-quit-smoking-marketing-ploy-experts-criticize/71658440007/]. We talked about Snoop Dogg making a harm reduction move with cannabis here, but it seems like that wasn’t the case. Sorry for the factual error in the episode. The Wall Street Journal interview [https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/food-cooking/a-holiday-cocktail-recipe-with-a-really-good-story-a76fc822] with Black food historian and journalist Toni Tipton-Martin. Find Toni’s new book Juke Joints, Jazz Clubs, and Juice: Cocktails from Two Centuries of African American Cookbooks at Toni Tipton-Martin dot Com [https://tonitiptonmartin.com/]. The Pendennis Club bartender in Louisville who made a cocktail for Muhammad Ali was Tom Bullock [https://www.gotolouisville.com/blog/the-life-and-legacy-of-tom-bullock/]. His influential book, The Ideal Bartender, was published in 1917. The doomed legacy of Nancy Reagan’s Just Say No campaign [https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/mar/08/nancy-reagan-drugs-just-say-no-dare-program-opioid-epidemic] A special thanks goes out to Ryan Masters for introducing Susie and me. Check out Ryan’s excellent band, Smoke Chaser. They play a lush blend of indie psychedelia, super fun. Smoke Chaser’s album Alazapul is now out on Heroic Dose Records [https://www.heroicdoserecords.com/smoke-chaser]. RESOURCES ON DRUGS, ALCOHOL, AND MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT WE DISCUSSED The list of resources for drug and alcohol support here includes traditional 12-step programs as well as harm reduction organizations. Al-Anon [https://al-anon.org/] (and Al-Ateen) – the 12-step program for family members and loved ones of people with alcohol and substance use issues who want support in those relationships The Gottman Institute’s page on codependency [https://www.gottman.com/blog/codependency-in-relationships/] AA – Alcoholics Anonymous [https://www.aa.org/], the 12-step program for people with alcohol use and addiction issues Harm Reduction model [https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/what-is-harm-reduction] of working with drug and alcohol use from an evidence-based perspective Harm Reduction Therapy Center [https://harmreductiontherapy.org/] – San Francisco Bay Area Some of my favorite And The Next Thing You Know episodes about alcohol, drugs, harm reduction, and sobriety are The Real Drug Was Checking Out [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2020/07/30/the-real-drug-was-checking-out/], All At Once, All At Once [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2019/10/15/all-at-once-all-at-once/], and A Cruisible of Sorts with Amelia Ray [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2020/09/25/a-cruisible-of-sorts-with-amelia-ray/]. COCKTAIL RECIPES FROM THE EPISODE The Surly Temple – a fantastic name for the classic low-alcohol drink, a bitters and soda. I first heard this moniker from my friend, San Francisco visual artist Heather Robinson [https://heatherrobinson.com/]. She doesn’t claim to have coined the term. Online, there are a lot of recipes for such a drink that more closely mimic the non-alcoholic Shirley Temple. But here’s how I do it: Basic Surly Temple: Rocks Dash of your favorite bitters (I prefer the classic Angostura, but you can use Peychaud’s or any fancier bitters you like) Top with club soda Serve it all butch-style in a lowball glass, arrrgh! Fancy Surly: Muddle fresh mint and lime juice in your glass Top with rocks, a dash of bitters, and club soda NOTE on the alcohol content in bitters: A dash or two of Angostura bitters will deliver about a .5% alcohol content to a full sized beverage with no other alcohol in it. That’s about the legal limit to call a beverage “non-alcoholic.” But that doesn’t mean you should feel any particular way about it as a sober person, or someone working on reducing the harm of alcohol in your life. If you want to maintain sobriety with zero alcohol, then bitters should be avoided. This article by cocktail professional Camper English [https://www.alcademics.com/2020/11/how-much-alcohol-do-bitters-contribute-to-a-drink.html] has a sensitive discussion of the matter of bitters in an otherwise non-alcoholic beverage, and breaks down the math of the alcohol content. For a zero-alcohol version of the Surly, try Wilderton Bittersweet Aperitivo [https://wildertonfree.com/products/bittersweet-aperitivo] instead of traditional bitters. (Wilderton is not a sponsor of the show, just a shout-out for an elegantly packaged, delightful non-alcoholic alternative to bitters or alcohol-based amaros.) Susie’s eggnog recipe [https://susiebright.ink/p/egg-nog-to-die-for?utm_source=%2Fsearch%2Fegg%2520nog&utm_medium=reader2] – make a batch without alcohol, and then, if you imbibe, you can add her recommended rum, cognac, brandy combination. The Palm Beach Special 2 ½  oz Gin ¾ oz Grapefruit juice ½ oz Sweet vermouth Serve on the rocks PATRON SHOUT! A deeply felt thanks to all my beautiful patrons for helping me create this podcast. Your support and enthusiasm for the show keep my head in the game. Thank you. A very hearty thanks to my Failure and Redemption level patrons, Heather, Kristina, Amy, Lisa, Kurt, Marck, Noah, Barry, Eidell, Bonita, and Jeannie, and to my Serendipity level patrons, Jodi, Brittany, Jen, Steve and Cyndi, Kristi, Dorian, and Micharelle HELP US GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW If you’d like to help me make this tender, silly, sometimes kinda profound podcast, here’s a quick checklist of things you can do: * Become a patron at patreon.com/nextthingpod [http://patreon.com/nextthingpod] * Shout us out on social media with the hashtag #nextthingpod * Message a friend with the link to an episode you think they’d dig * Give us a good review at Apple Podcasts Word of mouth is super meaningful. It helps people find the show, and I love seeing what you write about it. It makes me so happy that the podcast touches you. I appreciate you all so dang much. WE ARE AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW Our official HQ is at nextthingpodcast dot com [http://nextthingpodcast.com]where you’ll find complete transcripts and detailed show notes for every episode, all the social links and subscribe buttons, and the archive of every episode. Support the show by becoming a patron! patreon dot com/nextthingpod [http://patreon.com/nextthingpod] Join the discussion facebook dot com/nextthingpod [http://facebook.com/nextthingpod]Instagram dot com/soozenextthing [http://instagram.com/soozenextthing] Say hi, give us feedback, or send us your own And The Next Thing You Know story at nextthingpod at gmail dot com [nextthingpod@gmail.com] – we might use it in a future episode! The banana peel is by Max Ronnersjö [https://maxronnersjo.tumblr.com/]. The theme and interstitial music are by Jon Schwartz [http://twitter.com/schwartstack]. Thanks everybody. We’re so glad you tuned in. MORE EPISODES YOU MIGHT DIG! 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[https://nextthingpodcast.com/2020/07/30/the-real-drug-was-checking-out/] Shawna Virago poses with a beautiful guitar, alley in San Francisco. Photo by Lindsay Gauthier [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/shawna-photo-1-thumbnail.png?fit=300%2C167&ssl=1] SHAWNA VIRAGO METAPHORICALLY PUNCHES LOU REED IN THE FACE [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2023/04/11/shawna-virago/] Julia Serano on And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Julia.png?fit=291%2C291&ssl=1] JULIA SERANO LIKES SCARE QUOTES [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2020/04/15/julia-serano-likes-scare-quotes/] Dana Morrigan on a stage in an orange dress, holding a mic on a stand, her hair illuminated green by the stage lights. [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Dana_Morrigan-pic-by-Tristan-Crane.jpg?fit=300%2C200&ssl=1] DANA MORRIGAN SINGS IN HER OWN VOICE [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2021/07/01/dana-morrigan-sings-in-her-own-voice/] Coming out as both a conservative Christian and gay in the '90s! Kurt as Sister Krissy Fiction of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, in a rainbow dress and nun's head dress. [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/krissy-rainbow.png?fit=264%2C300&ssl=1] I WAS A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN. NOW, I’M A POLYTHEIST CLOWN NUN. [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2021/04/02/i-was-a-conservative-christian-now-im-a-polytheist-clown-nun/] man walking through a dark tunnel toward the light [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Screenshot-2024-01-14-at-5.03.45%E2%80%AFPM.png?fit=298%2C300&ssl=1] ALL AT ONCE, ALL AT ONCE [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2019/10/15/all-at-once-all-at-once/]

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW PODCAST EPISODE 016: IN MEMORY OF JENESSA SCHWARTZ Jenessa Schwartz at a chemo appointment, smilling. Her chemo port is visible on her upper right chest. [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/jenessa-schwartz-chemo-01.jpg?fit=720%2C960&ssl=1] The transcript for the new introduction is here [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2023/11/14/transcript-in-memory-of-jenessa-schwartz-new-introduction/]. My niece Jenessa Schwartz died on November 1, 2023, after living with a stage 4 colon cancer diagnosis since March, 2017. She was 41 years old. This is a rebroadcast of our podcast conversation from 2019, with an updated introduction. We talked in detail about the early days of her diagnosis, many of the various treatments she endured, and the effects of surgery and chemo on her spirits. We also talked about what it was like to discuss her cancer with her young kids, and how she embraced a new relationship amid this major transition in her life. EARLY ONSET COLON CANCER IS ON THE RISE. If you have any GI symptoms you’re suspicious about, at any age, talk to your doctor about getting a colonoscopy. And if you’re 45 or older, even with no symptoms, it’s time to schedule your first screening colonoscopy. If you detect colon cancer early, it’s very treatable. Get on that. MORE ABOUT JENESSA If you’d like to learn more about Jenessa Schwartz, please read her truly wonderful blogs: My Colon Cancer: Semicolon, Not Full Stop [https://notfullstop.wordpress] about her experience as a stage 4 cancer thriver and Womb For Hire [https://wombforhire.wordpress.com]  about becoming a gestational surrogate to two beautiful kids. There is also a lovely obituary written by Leslie Katz [https://jweekly.com/2023/11/03/jenessa-schwartz-yavneh-teacher-and-cancer-thriver-dies-at-41/] for J. The Jewish News of Northern California. We love you, Ness. suzie sherman host of And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/suzie-sherman-and-the-next-thing-you-know-podcast-rotated-2255736504-1650684192424.jpeg?fit=2270%2C3054&ssl=1] SUZIE SHERMAN is the host and producer of And The Next Thing You Know. She's a podcaster, writer, content marketer, and ever-aspiring creative noodler. MORE EPISODES YOU MIGHT BE CURIOUS ABOUT Nancy Au and Suzie Sherman on And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/nancy-au-on-and-the-next-thing-you-know-podcast.png?fit=300%2C215&ssl=1] NANCY AU CAN’T SEW A STRAIGHT LINE, OR IT’S WEIRD WHEN DEATH FEELS FAMILIAR. [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2020/02/09/nancy-au-cant-sew-a-straight-line-or-its-weird-when-death-feels-familiar/] suzie sherman host of And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/suzie-sherman-and-the-next-thing-you-know-podcast-rotated-2255736504-1650684192424.jpeg?fit=223%2C300&ssl=1] AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW…THE TRAILER [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2019/09/03/and-the-next-thing-you-know-the-trailer/] [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/panic-in-a-grocery-store-parking-lot-and-the-next-thing-you-know-podcast-covid.png?fit=300%2C225&ssl=1] PANIC IN A GROCERY STORE PARKING LOT [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2020/03/27/panic-in-a-grocery-store-parking-lot/] Jenessa Schwartz during a chemo infusion [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/Screenshot-2024-12-24-at-12.03.22%E2%80%AFAM.png?fit=268%2C300&ssl=1] IN MEMORY OF JENESSA SCHWARTZ – THERE’S BLOOD IN MY STOOL (REBROADCAST) [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2023/11/14/in-memory-of-jenessa-schwartz-theres-blood-in-my-stool-rebroadcast/] Photographer Kati Douglas of Xilo Photography on And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Kati-portrait-by-Arlene-Easterwood-Photography.jpg?fit=198%2C300&ssl=1] SPEAKING UP AND FUCKING UP WITH KATI DOUGLAS [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2021/11/08/speaking-up-and-fucking-up-with-kati-douglas/] Oliver Strimpel Host of the Geology Bites podcast is the guest in this episode of And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/oliver-strimpel-about-photo-e1684015021897.png?fit=228%2C300&ssl=1] ON PLANETS, POETRY, AND PATENT LAW WITH OLIVER STRIMPEL [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2022/03/07/on-planets-poetry-and-patent-law-with-oliver-strimpel/] piano practice on And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/piano-practice-and-the-next-thing-you-know-paragons-of-nothing.jpg?fit=300%2C200&ssl=1] PARAGONS OF NOTHING! [https://nextthingpodcast.com/2019/09/12/paragons-of-nothing/]

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW PODCAST EPISODE 015: SHAWNA VIRAGO Shawna Virago posing with a beautiful guitar. San Francisco queer indie punk roots rock. And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Shawna-Virago.-Photo-by-Lindsay-Gauthier.jpg?fit=2880%2C1602&ssl=1] Photo by Lindsay Gauthier [https://www.instagram.com/lulutrublu/?hl=en], courtesy of Shawna Virago This is my conversation with Shawna Virago [https://shawnavirago.com/]. Shawna is an indie punk/roots/folk musician and singer-songwriter, and the Artistic Director of the San Francisco Transgender Film Festival [https://sftff.org/]. In this episode, we talk about coming up in the eclectic L.A. music scene in the 70s and 80s, seeing artists like Screamin’ Jay Hawkins, Bo Diddley, and gay punk rocker Tom Robinson live, and what it was like gigging at frat parties while trans. Sean Dorsey and Shawna Virago in a lovely, loving embrace. San Francisco queer artists, activists, culture makers [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/sean-dorsey-and-shawna-virago-photo-by-Lydia-Daniller-large.jpg?fit=1361%2C2048&ssl=1] Photo by Lydia Daniller [https://lydiadaniller.com/], courtesy of Shawna Virago We also talk about Shawna’s move to San Francisco, and Shawna’s surprising and nourishing meet-cute with longtime partner, the choreographer and Fresh Meat Productions [https://freshmeatproductions.org/] Artistic Director, Sean Dorsey [https://seandorseydance.com/]. Since the 1990s, Shawna and Sean have done some heavy lifting in the queer and trans communities in the San Francisco Bay Area and beyond to create vibrant trans visibility, community, and culture. Read a lovely piece about Shawna and Sean in the Advocate [https://www.advocate.com/current-issue/2017/7/10/how-one-trans-couple-keep-their-fire]. Musical interludes in this episode are from Shawna Virago’s “Eternity Street,” used with permission. Find Shawna at shawnavirago.com [http://shawnavirago.com] and support Shawna on Bandcamp [https://shawnavirago.bandcamp.com/track/high-road-no-6]. SHAWNA VIRAGO METAPHORICALLY PUNCHES LOU REED IN THE FACE: THE SPOTIFY PLAYLIST I made a playlist to accompany this episode! It’s got original songs from Shawna, along with a bunch of the artists we talk about in the episode, including Bo Diddley, the Chiffons, X, Bowie, T. Rex, Amanda Lear, Jayne County, and many more! The Spotify Playlist Is Here [https://spoti.fi/41fcfvJ] QUEER HISTORY, ACTIVISTS, AUTHORS, AND INSTITUTIONS REFERENCED IN THE EPISODE CUAV – Community United Against Violence [https://www.cuav.org/] – founded in 1979, and still going strong, building LGBTQ power to dismantle interpersonal and institutional violence. The White Night Riots [https://worldqueerstory.org/2020/06/06/white-night-riots/] – a good primer at the World Queerstory blog. Queers fight back after Dan White gets a slap on the wrist for murdering SF Supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone in 1978. Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera: Amazing archival recordings with these two trans activists of color in New York [https://www.nyhistory.org/blogs/gay-power-is-trans-history-street-transvestite-action-revolutionaries#_edn3]. Johnson was a Stonewall veteran, and together, they founded STAR, Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries, providing housing to houseless trans girls and women. These recordings are from 1970. Leslie Feinberg and the legacy of Stone Butch Blues [https://www.lesliefeinberg.net/] ETVC – The Emergency Transvestite Channel [https://lltransarchive.org/etvc-library/] history at the amazing Louise Lawrence Transgender Archive The GLBT Historical Society [https://www.glbthistory.org/] The Mattachine Society and Daughters of Bilitis archival photos at the NYC LGBT Historic Sites Project [https://www.nyclgbtsites.org/site/mattachine-society-daughters-of-bilitis-offices/] Jordy Jones in the GLBT Historical Society archive [https://oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/c83x8dhg/entire_text/] – Jordy was the curator of the fateful Trans Art show in 2001, where Shawna met Sean for the first time. <3  Charlie Jane Anders [https://www.charliejaneanders.com/], Lambda Literary, Nebula, and Hugo award-winning author, podcaster, and creator of the legendary San Francisco literary night, Writers With Drinks Compton’s Cafeteria Riot in 1966 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u90kkdW1i60] – a video talk by Susan Stryker [https://www.susanstryker.net/] on resistance to police violence and carceral power, curated by the Tenderloin Museum in San Francisco An intro to the Stonewall Riots at the Library of Congress [https://guides.loc.gov/lgbtq-studies/stonewall-era] Shawna and I discussed the need to take care of LGBTQIA elders and veterans of Stonewall and Compton’s, and the organization I keep getting pointed to is SAGE: the National Resource Center on LGBTQ+ Aging [https://www.lgbtagingcenter.org/]. Let me know if you are connected to other good resources, and I’ll link them here! Felicia Flames Elizondo [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicia_Elizondo] Kate Bornstein [http://katebornstein.com/] – the author of the influential 1995 book about trans identities, Gender Outlaw: on men, women, and the rest of us Judith Butler’s work at UC Berkeley [https://vcresearch.berkeley.edu/faculty/judith-butler] Michel Foucault’s The Order of Things [https://prismatically.blog/2021/07/01/book-summary-the-order-of-things-the-archaeology-of-the-human-sciences-michel-foucault/] MUSIC AND CULTURE WE TALKED ABOUT Elvis Presley, Chuck Berry, David Bowie, T. Rex, New York Dolls, Screamin’ Jay Hawkins [https://www.thecurrent.org/feature/2021/10/28/i-put-a-spell-on-you-the-bizarre-life-of-screamin-jay-hawkins-book-review], Bo Diddley, Johnny Cash, The Supremes, Eddie Cochran, Mike Ness/Social Distortion, Question Mark and the Mysterians [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7uC5m-IRns], The Chiffons [https://www.history-of-rock.com/chiffons.htm], Martha and the Vandellas [https://www.motownmuseum.org/artist/martha-and-the-vandellas/], The Ramones, The Seeds – Can’t Seem to Make You Mine from 1965 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gFSAyzx4Oc], and, as an aside, Alex Chilton’s great cover [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anPgTes5Pu4], Count Five – Psychotic Reaction from 1966 [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTroJlLPRHM], Tom Robinson [https://pleasekillme.com/tom-robinson/], Buzzcocks, Justin Vivian Bond – Kiki & Herb [https://www.justinvivianbond.com/]. Get a taste for these artists and then some at the Spotify playlist for this episode [https://spoti.fi/41fcfvJ]! Creem [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creem] and Circus [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circus_(magazine)] rock magazines Christine Jorgensen at the New York Historical Society [https://wams.nyhistory.org/growth-and-turmoil/cold-war-beginnings/christine-jorgensen/] Amanda Lear [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Lear] – In Salvador Dali’s circle, and Roxy Music cover model Romy Haag [https://www.exberliner.com/berlin/queen-of-the-underground/] – performer, club proprietor, intimate partner of David Bowie (content correction: Haag isn’t German. She’s Dutch) Candy Darling profile at TransasCity dot Org [http://transascity.org/candy-darling/] Holly Woodlawn – NYT Obituary from 2015 [https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/07/movies/holly-woodlawn-transgender-star-of-1970s-underground-films-dies-at-69.html] Terry Toy Warhol’s “girl of the year” with artist Keith Haring [https://www.longsharpgallery.com/warhol-terry-toy-and-keith-haring-addl-info] Jackie Curtis at Wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackie_Curtis] Carol Burnett [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGZhaqUljdo] – Shawna mentioned she’s a big influence for Sean! A critical Vice article on Lou Reed’s relationship with his trans partner, Rachel Humphreys [https://www.vice.com/en/article/akzw9k/lou-reed-trans-girlfriend-rachel-humphreys-complicated-relationship] by journalist Harron Walker [https://twitter.com/HarronWawker]  A Dangerous Minds article from 2013 about Rachel and Lou [https://dangerousminds.net/comments/rachel_lou_reeds_transsexual_muse], overall less critical, but respectful about Rachel’s gender, with lots of photos. Two content warnings: 1. The article refers to a particularly awful, racist, transphobic commentary by Lester Bangs about Rachel. 2. The comment thread became a noteworthy document, because some people who directly knew Rachel and Lou chimed in on the discussion, but there is a lot of outdated terminology for trans peoples’ lives being used. Some of it appropriately reflects the time that’s being talked about in the mid-70s, but there is also some antagonistic misgendering in the comments. American Graffiti [https://youtu.be/OZ9Gp6Qc8LQ], Happy Days, Grease, Sha Na Na [https://www.nytimes.com/1981/03/13/arts/sha-na-na-revisits-the-50-s-and-60-s.html] “The Bakersfield Sound” and the Birth of Country Rock [https://medium.com/@tcmoore2012/the-bakersfield-sound-and-the-birth-of-country-rock-423f410439ef] – article by Tim Moore on Medium Slam Dancing, Pogo, Mosh [https://dbpedia.org/page/Moshing]Kenneth Anger’s 1963 film Scorpio Rising [https://www.ubu.com/film/anger_scorpio.html] Different Fur Studios [https://differentfurstudios.com/] – where Shawna records, has had an impressive roster, including Stevie Wonder and Herbie Hancock Last Exit to Brooklyn by Hubert Selby Jr. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Exit_to_Brooklyn] Our Lady of the Flowers by Jean Genet [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_the_Flowers] Moby-Dick at the Big Read podcast [https://www.mobydickbigread.com/]: an example Shawna gave of old timey culture that shouldn’t be compulsory. But if you’re curious…I very much recommend this audio podcast presentation of the novel, in which each chapter is read by a noteworthy narrator, including Tilda Swinton, Sir David Attenborough, John Waters, Mary Oliver, and about a hundred more. 🙂 [https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/15.0.3/72x72/1f642.png] Silas Howard’s short film from 2015 about Bambi Lake, Sticks and Stones [https://vimeo.com/138625199]Jayne County’s music legacy and visual art in the Brooklyn Rail, 2018 [https://brooklynrail.org/2018/03/artseen/JAYNE-COUNTY-Paranoia-Paradise]Derek Jarman’s 1978 film Jubilee [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jubilee_(1978_film)] BYGONE BARS AND PUBLIC SPACES REFERENCED IN THE EPISODE The Starwood in Hollywood [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starwood_(nightclub)] The Queen Mary bar in Studio City [https://www.laweekly.com/l-a-s-drag-scene-was-born-in-a-nondescript-bar-in-studio-city/] The Motherlode bar page [https://lltransarchive.org/divas-san-franciscos-trans-bar/] at Louise Lawrence Transgender Archive Foxy Lady on Mission Street – 2012 Mission Local article on the store closing [https://missionlocal.org/2012/11/foxy-lady-clothier-to-drag-queens-shuts-its-doors/] PATRON SHOUT! Thanks so much to all my patrons for the support you give me at any level. You’re doing it! You help make this show happen, and I appreciate you so much! And, as always, a particular shout out goes out to my Failure and Redemption level patrons: Amy, Barry, Bonnie, Eidell, Heather, Jeannie, Kristina, Kurt, Lisa, Marck, and Noah, and to my Serendipity level patrons: Brittany, Cyndi and Steve, Dorian, Jen, Jodi, Kristi, and Micharelle. Thank you extra special much for your generous support. You, too, can become a patron of the show at patreon.com/nextthingpod [http://patreon.com/nextthingpod]. Patrons now get billed only when I release an episode, so you won’t even get billed monthly! Set it and forget it, and I’ll give you a heads-up before you get charged. This is a one-person operation, and it’s made better with your support. Thank you. WE ARE AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW Our official HQ is at nextthingpodcast dot com [http://nextthingpodcast.com] where you’ll find complete transcripts and detailed show notes for every episode, all the social links and subscribe buttons, and the archive of every episode. Support the show by becoming a patron! patreon dot com/nextthingpod [http://patreon.com/nextthingpod] Join the discussion facebook dot com/nextthingpod [http://facebook.com/nextthingpod] Instagram dot com/soozenextthing [http://instagram.com/soozenextthing] Say hi, give us feedback, or send us your own And The Next Thing You Know story at nextthingpod at gmail dot com [nextthingpod@gmail.com] – we might use it in a future episode! The banana peel is by Max Ronnersjö [https://maxronnersjo.tumblr.com/]. The theme and interstitial music are by Jon Schwartz [http://twitter.com/schwartstack].  Thanks everybody. We’re so glad you tuned in. MORE EPISODES YOU MIGHT DIG!

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW PODCAST EPISODE 014: OLIVER STRIMPEL Oliver Strimpel Host of the Geology Bites podcast is the guest in this episode of And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/oliver-strimpel-about-photo-e1684015021897.png?fit=552%2C725&ssl=1] Oliver Strimpel in the field. Photo courtesy of Oliver and Harriet Strimpel In this episode of And The Next Thing You Know [http://nextthingpodcast.com], I talk with the creator and host of the podcast Geology Bites, Oliver Strimpel. If you’re curious about what drives plate tectonics, or about the composition of rocks and the amazing amount of information they contain about Earth’s prehistoric climates, if you’ve ever wondered what shapes a mountain ridge, or a  canyon, Geology Bites is a podcast for the geoscience informed and the just curious alike! In the episode, we talk about the path Oliver has taken from his childhood in India, marveling in the Himalayas, to his PhD work in astrophysics studying galaxy clusters. Oliver then worked at the Science Museum in London, and parlayed that work to his move to the United States in the 1980s to direct the Computer Museum in Boston. Oliver’s career path then took a sharp turn to patent law, and we talk about how the language of patents is kind of like poetry, and helps with podcast editing, as it turns out. Through it all, Oliver is driven by genuine curiosity and joy in learning about how the cosmos works, and the ingenuity humans use to understand it. Find Oliver’s podcast Geology Bites at geologybites.com [http://geologybites.com]or in your podcast app. CONTINUITY AND CORRECTION A note on the timing of this episode and some corrections: At the beginning of the episode, Oliver says he started his podcast “last July” and that really means July of 2020, because it was already July of 2021 when we sat down together to talk. Later on, Oliver mentions that he’s about to publish episode number 37, which was his conversation with guest, Steve D’Hondt, about 100-million-year-old bacterial colonies living in the abyssal clay at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. That episode of Geology Bites was also posted back in July of 2021. Geology Bites is soon to break 60 episodes. I am posting this episode of And The Next Thing You Know several months after Oliver and I sat down to talk, so the time registry between our conversation and this episode are out of sync. My apologies for the continuity confusion. One more correction, also at the beginning of the episode, Oliver guesses that Nanga Parbat is about the “fifth or sixth” highest peak in the world; it is in fact, the ninth highest peak. walk through diagram [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/walk-through-diagram.jpg?fit=300%2C300&ssl=1] mars 03 [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mars-03.png?fit=300%2C300&ssl=1] https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mars-04.png?ssl=1 Computer Museum Talk at Yale Jan 09-3 [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Computer-Museum-Talk-at-Yale-Jan-09-3.jpg?fit=650%2C500&ssl=1] Clockwise from top: diagram of the Walk-Through Computer at the Computer Museum in Boston, 1990; An image of the surface of Mars sent to Earth by Mariner 4 in 1965 (click this photo for a fascinating description of the rendering of this image); a photo collage of the Walk-Through Computer in Boston, with Oliver Strimpel posing in front of the keyboard and monitor, 1990. All photos courtesy of Oliver Strimpel. REFERENCES WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE EPISODE Geology Bites podcast [http://geologybites.com] Zoe Strimpel’s podcast Hyped! [http://anchor.fm/zoe-strimpel] Mike Searle on Geology Bites [http://geologybites.com/mikesearle] Oliver’s first guest, mentioned in the episode. Mike Searle was also featured in the 50th episode of Geology Bites [http://geologybites.com/mike-searle-2] in December, 2021. Kullu Valley in India [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kullu] Nanga Parbat [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanga_Parbat] – the 9th highest mountain on Earth at more than 8,100 m/26,600 ft The Science Museum, London [http://sciencemuseum.org.uk/home] Dan McKenzie on Geology Bites [http://geologybites.com/danmckenzie] (Oliver mentions this episode and Dan’s experiments with rocks on Venus.) A wonderfully quaint 1990 educational video [http://Youtu.be/CoxQLJkLq1c] about how computers work, featuring the Walk-Through Computer at the Computer Museum in Boston. NASA’s Jet Propulsion Lab [http://jpl.nasa.gov]– a dazzling collection of information about scores of missions to every planet in the solar system. The Mariner Mission [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner_program] The Smart Machines exhibit [http://tcm.computerhistory.org/reports/TCMReportSummer-Fall1987.pdf] about robotics and Artificial Intelligence (this link opens a PDF newsletter from The Computer Museum archive.) Illustrator David Macaulay [http://davidmacaulay.com/pages/ about-david-macaulay] Poets Oliver mentioned Seamus Heaney [https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poets/seamus-heaney] Philip Larkin [http://poetryfoundation.org/poets/philip-larkin] Ted Hughes [http://poetryfoundation.org/poets/ted-hughes] Geology Bites episode with Steve D’Hondt [http://geologybites.com/steve-dhondt] on ancient bacterial colonies Geology Bites episode with Katie Stack Morgan [http://geologybites.com/katie-stack] on the Mars Rover and the geology of Mars Jezero Crater on Mars [http://nasa.gov/image-feature/jezero-crater-was-a-lake-in-mars-ancient-past] The Drake Equation [http://seti.org/drake-equation-index] The search for life on… Enceladus [http://space.com/methane-plume-enceladus-possible-sign-alien-life] Europa [http://space.com/jupiter-moon-europa-alien-life-dig-deep]and Titan [http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/news/does-titans-hydrocarbon-soup-hold-a-recipe-for-life] Donna Haraway [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Haraway] PATRON SHOUT! 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Maybe someday, we’ll even have some fun fan schwag for ya here! Support the show by becoming a patron! patreon dot com/nextthingpod [http://patreon.com/nextthingpod] Join the discussion facebook dot com/nextthingpod [http://facebook.com/nextthingpod] Instagram dot com/soozenextthing [http://instagram.com/soozenextthing] Twitter dot com/soozenextthing [http://twitter.com/soozenextthing] Say hi, give us feedback, or send us your own And The Next Thing You Know story at nextthingpod at gmail dot com – we might use it in a future episode! The banana peel is by Max Ronnersjö [https://maxronnersjo.tumblr.com/]. The theme and interstitial music is by Jon Schwartz [http://twitter.com/schwartstack].

AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW PODCAST EPISODE 013: KATI DOUGLAS Photographer Kati Douglas of Xilo Photography on And The Next Thing You Know podcast [https://i0.wp.com/nextthingpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Kati-portrait-by-Arlene-Easterwood-Photography.jpg?fit=393%2C595&ssl=1] Kati Douglas Early childhood educator and photographer Kati Douglas and I talk about her career in the education field and what her first few years in leadership were like. We talk about what it’s like to deal with white supremacy as a biracial Black mom of Black kids with a Black partner. We also talk about how her struggle with postpartum depression catalyzed a radical career path change, and how she puts equity and justice at the center of all her work. You can find Kati’s absolutely gorgeous photography at xilophotography.com [http://xilophotography.com] and @xilophotography [http://instagram.com/xilophotography] on instagram. THEMES WE DISCUSS IN THE EPISODE Early childhood education, leadership in education,  San Francisco, Oakland, post-partum depression, self-care, mental health, parenting, photography, career path, career transitions, relationships, Black Lives Matter, institutional oppression in education, Black experience in parenting, making art, grief. REFERENCES WE TALKED ABOUT IN THE EPISODE The wonderful Buen Dia Family School [https://bdfs.org], serving preschoolers in the Mission in San Francisco.  Kati’s principal at Flynn Elementary in San Francisco was Dr. Karling Aguilera-Fort, now a superintendent of schools in Southern California. We talk in the episode about the acquittal of Treyvon Martin’s murderer, and about the murder of George Floyd, and the Black Lives Matter movement. Learn BLM herstory [https://blacklivesmatter.com/herstory/] here. PATRON SHOUT! Thank you to ALL my patrons for making this podcast happen, and for making it better! And a special shout out, as always, to my Failure and Redemption level patrons: Noah, Melissa, Marck, Lisa, Kurt, Kristina, Jen, Jeannie, Heather, Elyse, Liz, Eidell, Bonnie, Barry, and Amy, and to my Serendipity level patrons: Steve and Cyndi, Micharelle, Laurie, Kristi, Dorian, Brittany and Jodi. You, too, can become a patron of the show at patreon.com/nextthingpod [http://patreon.com/nextthingpod]. Patrons now get billed only when I release an episode, so you won’t even get billed monthly! Set it and forget it, and I’ll give you a heads-up before you get charged. This is a one-person operation, and it’s made better with your support. Thank you. WE ARE AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW Our official HQ is at nextthingpodcast dot com [http://nextthingpodcast.com] where you’ll find complete transcripts and detailed show notes for every episode, all the social links and subscribe buttons, and the archive of every episode. Stay tuned for some fun podcast schwag coming soon… Support the show by becoming a patron! patreon dot com/nextthingpod [http://patreon.com/nextthingpod] Join the discussion facebook/nextthingpod [http://facebook.com/nextthingpod] Instagram/soozenextthing [http://instagram.com/soozenextthing] bluesky/soozenextthing.bsky.soc [https://bsky.app/profile/soozenextthing.bsky.social] Say hi, give us feedback, or send us your own And The Next Thing You Know story at nextthingpod at gmail dot com [nextthingpod@gmail.com] – we might use it in a future episode! “Zip dot Wav” sound effect in this episode by jackjames_tomknevitt [https://freesound.org/people/jackjames_tomknevitt/], used under a CC BY 3.0 license [https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/], via freesound.org [https://freesound.org/]. The banana peel is by Max Ronnersjö [https://maxronnersjo.tumblr.com/]. The theme and interstitial music are by Jon Schwartz [http://twitter.com/schwartstack].  Thanks everybody. We’re so glad you tuned in. MORE EPISODES YOU MIGHT DIG!