Ep. 27 - The Power of Lesson Study: Making Inclusion Work Through Collaboration

Ep. 29 - How to fix Experts At Hand

In this episode, we explore one of the biggest questions emerging from the proposed S.E.N.D reforms: have we become too focused on assessments, reports, diagnoses, and labels, while overlooking the value of professional conversations? We discuss the growing focus on consultation within the Experts at Hand model and what this shift could mean for schools, educational psychologists, and wider S.E.N.D support services. As systems move towards greater collaboration, we examine how consultation can help professionals understand challenges, develop solutions, and empower the adults who support children every day. Throughout the conversation, we unpack what consultation actually is and why it is much more than simply having a discussion. We also explore consultation frameworks, including PIMS and the SWAIR model, and how systemic thinking can help schools look beyond individual needs. Alongside this, we examine the differences between consultation, supervision, and coaching, and consider how these approaches may support future models of inclusion and multi-agency working. Ultimately, we reflect on how collaboration, shared expertise, and professional conversations can help build confidence, strengthen practice, and improve outcomes for children. In This Episode, We Explore * What the Experts at Hand approach could mean for schools and SEND services. * Why consultation is more than just a conversation. * How consultation can empower teachers and school staff. * The role of educational psychologists within emerging SEND reforms. * The PIMS and SWAIR consultation models. * The differences between consultation, supervision, and coaching. * Why shared expertise and multi-agency working are essential for supporting children. Why This Episode Matters As S.E.N.D systems continue to evolve, schools are increasingly being encouraged to build capacity through collaboration rather than relying solely on assessment-led approaches. This episode explores how consultation can support inclusion by bringing together expertise from schools and professional networks, helping staff develop confidence, practical solutions, and stronger systems of support. Whether you're a teacher, school leader, educational psychologist, SENCO, therapist, or parent, this episode offers valuable insights into the role consultation may play in the future of S.E.N.D and inclusive practice. 🎧 Listen now to discover why some of the most powerful support for children may begin with the right conversation. Join the Conversation What are your thoughts on consultation-based approaches? How can schools balance assessment, intervention, and collaboration? Have consultation approaches helped improve inclusion in your setting? Share your thoughts and experiences; we'd love to hear from you. Episode Sponsor This episode of Between Two Psychs is proudly sponsored by Sanctuary Personnel. As a specialist recruitment partner across psychology services, education, social care, and healthcare, Sanctuary Personnel is dedicated to connecting talented professionals with organisations that truly value expertise. Their consultative approach means they understand the sectors they serve and the challenges faced by professionals across the UK. If you're looking to strengthen your team or elevate your own career, visit sanctuarypersonnel.com [http://sanctuarypersonnel.com/]. You can also reach out directly to Kamruz Zaman at Kamruz Zaman - Sanctuary Personnel [https://www.sanctuarypersonnel.com/consultants/kamruz-zaman/] and Suzi Couszins at Suzi Couszins - Sanctuary Personnel [https://www.sanctuarypersonnel.com/consultants/suzi-couszins/] Connect with Mike Lane Website: ridgewaypsychology.co.uk [https://www.ridgewaypsychology.co.uk/] LinkedIn: michael-lane [https://uk.linkedin.com/in/michael-lane-4304a3123] Connect with Me Instagram: @‌dradammcartney [https://www.instagram.com/dradammcartney/] Website: dradammccartney.com [https://www.dradammccartney.com/] YouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney [https://www.youtube.com/@Dr.AdamMcCartney]

Ep. 28 - Why Are School Exclusions Rising When Behaviour Policies Are Clear?

In this episode, I explore a question that many schools are grappling with: Why are exclusions continuing to rise despite behaviour policies becoming clearer and more structured than ever before? Drawing on my experience as an Educational Psychologist, I examine the growing reliance on consequence-driven behaviour systems and explore why these approaches often fail to create lasting change. While clear expectations and boundaries have their place, behaviour does not happen in isolation. Children's experiences of school are shaped by relationships, emotional regulation, and their sense of belonging. Throughout the episode, I discuss how behaviour is often viewed as the problem itself rather than a signal that something deeper may be happening. I explore the impact of sensory, emotional, and social development on a child's ability to regulate their behaviour, particularly for neurodiverse young people navigating busy and demanding school environments. I also share practical alternatives that schools can use to strengthen relationships, improve accountability, and reduce conflict. From restorative approaches to proactive regulation strategies, this episode focuses on creating school cultures where young people feel seen, supported, and understood. Ultimately, this episode challenges us to consider whether behaviour policies alone can solve behaviour challenges, or whether meaningful relationships remain the most powerful tool we have. In This Episode, I Explore * Why exclusions continue to rise despite increasingly strict behaviour policies. * The difference between consequence-driven systems and relational approaches. * How sensory, language, emotional, and cognitive development influence behaviour. * Why neurodiverse pupils may find school environments particularly overwhelming. * The role relationships play in helping young people regulate emotions. * How restorative approaches can create genuine accountability and repair harm. Why This Episode Matters Across education, schools are facing increasing challenges around behaviour, attendance, wellbeing and exclusion. While many systems focus on consequences and compliance, this episode explores a different perspective: that behaviour is deeply connected to relationships, emotional safety, and a child's experience of belonging. Understanding what sits beneath behaviour can help schools move beyond simply managing incidents and towards creating environments where young people are more able to engage, regulate, and succeed. If you're a teacher, school leader, educational psychologist, or parent, this episode offers practical insights into how relationships can become a powerful foundation for both behaviour and learning. 🎧 Listen now and discover why the strongest behaviour strategy may not be a policy at all but the relationships we build every day. Join the Conversation What are your thoughts on behaviour policies and exclusions? Have you seen relational approaches make a difference in your school or setting? Share your thoughts and experiences. we'd love to hear from you. Connect with Me Instagram: @‌dradammcartney [https://www.instagram.com/dradammcartney/] Website: dradammccartney.com [https://www.dradammccartney.com/] YouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney [https://www.youtube.com/@Dr.AdamMcCartney]

Ep. 27 - The Power of Lesson Study: Making Inclusion Work Through Collaboration

In this episode, I explore one of the most effective approaches I use when working with schools: Lesson Study for Assessment. Originally developed in Japan, lesson study offers a collaborative framework that brings together teachers, educational psychologists, and school leaders to design, observe, evaluate, and refine teaching in a way that benefits all learners. Rather than relying on expert-driven recommendations, this approach places psychology and pedagogy side by side, creating a shared process of inquiry and problem-solving. Through real examples from my own practice, I explore how lesson study can strengthen inclusion, support pupils with additional needs, and help schools create learning experiences that are both meaningful and engaging. I discuss how collaboration between professionals can lead to better outcomes for children, while also giving teachers greater ownership of the learning process. A key theme throughout the episode is that effective support comes from psychology and pedagogy working together. When professionals bring different perspectives to the same challenge, they are better able to understand children's needs, build on their strengths, and create opportunities for genuine participation and success. Ultimately, this episode is about creating classrooms where every child feels valued, included and able to thrive. In This Episode, I Explore * What Lesson Study for Assessment is and where it originated. * How educational psychologists, teachers, and school leaders can work collaboratively to improve learning. * Why psychology and pedagogy should be viewed as complementary disciplines. * How lesson study can support inclusion without becoming tokenistic. * Ways to use peer relationships and collaboration to strengthen learning outcomes. * How schools can develop meaningful and measurable targets for pupils with additional needs. Why This Episode Matters As schools work to create more inclusive learning environments, collaboration has never been more important. Lesson Study for Assessment provides a practical way for teachers, psychologists, and school leaders to work together, better understand pupils' needs, and design learning that supports everyone. When professionals think and plan together, children are more likely to feel included, valued, and able to succeed. 🎧 Listen now and discover how psychology and pedagogy can work together to create better learning opportunities for every child. Connect with Me Instagram: @‌dradammcartney [https://www.instagram.com/dradammcartney/] Website: dradammccartney.com [https://www.dradammccartney.com/] YouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney [https://www.youtube.com/@Dr.AdamMcCartney]

Ep. 26 - From Crisis to Connection

In this episode, we sit down with teaching SENCO Tom Hodgson to explore why relationships sit at the heart of successful inclusion and how emotionally attuned practice can completely change a child’s journey in school. Drawing on real classroom experience, we reflect on the emotional demands of supporting children with complex needs and why connection must come before correction. Through a powerful case study, we unpack how one pupil moved from the brink of permanent exclusion to full integration through co-regulation, consistency, and a strong team around the child. Together, we discuss why meaningful relationships, emotional literacy, and shared staff values are essential for long-term change in schools. In This Episode, We Discuss * Why relationships must come before behaviour strategies * How co-regulation helps prevent escalation * A real case study from exclusion risk to full inclusion * The power of empathy, curiosity, and emotional attunement * Building emotional literacy and helping children name feelings * Why consistency across adults changes outcomes * Supporting staff while working with complex pupils * How everyday interactions become meaningful interventions Why This Episode Matters This conversation invites educators to rethink behaviour through the lens of connection and safety. When children feel understood and supported by consistent adults, meaningful progress becomes possible both emotionally and academically. It also highlights the emotional load educators carry and why reflective practice, shared training, and strong professional relationships are essential for sustainable, inclusive education. Connect with Mike Lane Website: ridgewaypsychology.co.uk [https://www.ridgewaypsychology.co.uk/] LinkedIn: michael-lane [https://uk.linkedin.com/in/michael-lane-4304a3123] Connect with Me Instagram: @‌dradammcartney [https://www.instagram.com/dradammcartney/] Website: dradammccartney.com [https://www.dradammccartney.com/] YouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney [https://www.youtube.com/@Dr.AdamMcCartney]

Ep. 25 - How to Fix Inclusion

In this episode, I explore something that quietly shapes almost every school setting, why collaboration between professionals can feel so difficult, even when everyone around the table genuinely wants to help. Whether it’s a SENCO, pastoral lead, educational psychologist, speech and language therapist, autism specialist, or school leader, meetings often begin with good intentions but end with uncertainty. Everyone leaves believing something slightly different was agreed, and the child at the centre of the conversation can easily get lost within the process. Drawing on my own research into collaborative working around autistic children at risk of exclusion, I explore why this happens and what schools can do differently. One of the key themes throughout the episode is that tension in meetings is not necessarily a bad thing. In fact, when professionals see a child through different lenses, behaviour, anxiety, communication, trauma, sensory needs, relationships, that complexity is often a sign that meaningful thinking is happening. I also discuss how schools can move beyond rushed problem-solving and instead create space for deeper understanding. Because the best collaborative teams do not race toward solutions. This explores the importance of understanding professional roles properly. Too often, professionals work alongside one another without fully understanding the expertise each person brings. When that understanding improves, collaboration becomes less defensive and more productive. Alongside this, I reflect on the emotional side of professional disagreement, why psychological safety matters in meetings, and how respectful challenge can strengthen decision-making rather than damage relationships. Ultimately, this episode is about leadership, not leadership as having all the answers, but leadership as creating the conditions where people can think well together in service of children. In This Episode, I Explore * Why collaboration in schools is often harder than it appears. * How different professionals interpret the same child in different ways. * Why slowing meetings down can improve outcomes. * How respectful disagreement strengthens collaborative thinking. * How school leaders can keep the child central during complex discussions. Why This Episode Matters In education, we often focus heavily on outcomes, but far less on the process that gets us there. This is a reminder that effective collaboration is not about everyone agreeing immediately. It is about professionals being willing to stay curious, tolerate complexity, and build shared understanding together. Because when adults think better together, children are far less likely to fall through the cracks. Connect with Me Instagram: @‌dradammcartney [https://www.instagram.com/dradammcartney/] Website: dradammccartney.com [https://www.dradammccartney.com/] YouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney [https://www.youtube.com/@Dr.AdamMcCartney]