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I was gonna try one out today, talking about it, it might be kind of tough. I'm sure that's what you're interested in listening to on your Alexa right now. Wait, I mean echo. Sorry. I was gonna mention the commands if you go to your Mac, or you go to a Unix system, as it were you open up a terminal. A couple of things you can run, it's probably going to run bash, I figure like I'm some expert, but I think that's the Bourne again, shall I think it's kind of one of the more modern, sort of basic default shells that seems to run. If you run Linux, I don't know got up. Yeah. And you probably know a lot more about it than I do already. So you know, you're on your terminal tip for the moment, especially if you're on a Macintosh, I guess it doesn't work on a Windows machine, because that runs DOS, right? It's not a Unix-based system shoot. But if you're on a Mac, and you want to get into your terminal, and you want to move around just a little bit to sort of seeing what it's like, I guess two commands that would get you started would be the ls command in the Bourne shell. So the bash shell. the ls command is like the list command. So when you type in LS, and then return, what you're going to have to happen is it's going to list the contents of the directory that you're currently in, in text and command line. Oh, man, it's pretty exciting. You're gonna be excited when you see it for the first time. If you want to see some other things, I guess what you try, this is a bonus one, this is a big one, too, is CD, this current directory command. So if you want to, I guess move directories from what directory you're at now, your root directory, let's say and you want to move up to your pictures directory that you see when you type in LS, you're going to type in cd space, pictures, and then you're going to hit return and that's going to move you to the directory of pictures then when you type in LS, you're going to get a list of the contents of the directory in pictures. Wow, pretty amazing. You moved a directory in Unix and you found out on this flash briefing. 2:30 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, you cool stuff over there. I think like October, September, October and November I really like maybe one of my favorite outdoors seasons and this probably kind of set up that way for a lot of people that have like a tradition of going out on hunting trips through October or you know like going out on opening day or something like that in Oregon, I think it's October 1 maybe in other states it's in a part of September so I think it's kind of kind of been tuned and tied to the hunting season in like the American cultural lore for probably 100 years or eight years or so as it's kind of kind of been a part of the American mythologies but it's cool though I like going out in the fall it's really one of the best times to go camping it's when you get to kind of take or make use of all the equipment and stuff that you've sort of procured over time and and that's when you kind of also get to use some of the skills and stuff you've been trying to scout out or train on to kind of see how they work and the application of them you know in the summertime when it's really nice out it's cool to go out and camp and I've always had a really great time doing that but like the hot weather camping Oh, no, it's it's it demands a little less, I guess it's kind of obvious, but the environment is sort of something that you don't have to contend with as much. And in the deep winter, the environment is probably too much to contend with. So there's a cool kind of pocket that I like, as like an ideal, but a cool kind of weather pocket or environmental pocket between I guess like parts of the fall until November when it kind of gets too deep into it. And then parts of the spring as we're coming up into the summertime, where you can kind of feel like you're getting to do a little bit more fires. So kind of a no, right? over the winter, it's springtime to do that. But at least in late fall like in November or these like northern Oregon areas. After you start getting like a layer of snow or a significant amount of rain and the fire. The emergency level drops back down to the green. There's a lot of open burning that you can do on campsites that you sit at the public land and stuff. So I think that's always kind of a fun part of life. The winter like late fall camping stuff is when you get to set up like a bigger fire gather some wood gather some big logs to be kind of like your fuel for the evening it's kind of fun and it's sort of like that more I don't know primal kind of connective to to like the real kind of Route camping stuff but as it goes for a lot of the year like in the summertime like hot weather stuff you kind of like doing it around water or you know it's like we would we would do stuff you know you do rafting or something so it's kind of like enjoying the day you don't have to layer you don't have to wear like a dry suit or you know a bunch of different I don't know warming layers you have to kind of be conscious of so I think that's kind of where you start getting into more of that now I think like now like river trips and stuff you know they sort of shift from like the recreational summer tourism whitewater stuff they get between I guess like may and Labor Day and now as you get kind of further into September and now deep and October you have people I guess coming down just kind of strictly for some of the fishing season stuff so you get like instead of RAF's, you'll have a bunch of drift boats come down, like fishing boats and stuff, guided tours and stuff for some of the lower river stuff or just people out on there. That kind of set up and prepped for a fishing trip. But it's cool. Yeah, a lot of enthusiasm around some of the fishing stuff during this time of year. I want to get out and do some fishing stuff. I got my fishing license earlier this year, and I've gotten it a couple of times this far, but I need to really, I guess commit a little more and kind of set it up the right way. I think I'm always kind of doing a couple of too many things here like I'm trying to like set a camera up to record footage, and then throw some casts and let the line set and then you wait for an hour or so but maybe if it's a non-optimal time or you kind of have to something else and move on and stuff so I haven't caught a lot of stuff that was a keeper worthy. I picked up a couple of things out of the lake and it was like a 6:52 cheap little tiny game or a little like tiny Sunfish or Rafe, what is it? Yeah, I think it's Sunfish like these 6:57 like the kind of like bluegill. Not a lot, you know, sheep a little better than a minute. But yeah, I want to try and get into doing some more fall fishing stuff through now until like the end of the year. And I think there are a couple of good seasons that kind of come on through November but I think it'd be cool I'm gonna try and try and jump into that a little faster. I think there's also some kind of controlled like stocked ponds that are nearby where I'm at, I think they stocked them with trout through the winter and I'm interested in trying out a couple of those places they seem like they're you know, just to kind of the numbers that they talk about it's like I mean that's kind of cool for that kind of thing for stock fishing kind of thing but I've been trying to get a little bit more into like what I can harvest what I can prospect what I can kind of gather from natural resource areas that are around me and I think it's been kind of fun to do is I guess sort of a hobby. So along with like the photos that are trying to do while I'm out, I've tried to like us and like get a fishing license so I can do some fishing stuff on the side or pick up a little bit of information about what kind of rockhounding I can do in that sort of area or what kind of like foraging stuff I can do or what kind of like wood gathering opportunities to have so I've been trying to do some of that stuff a little bit more often like I don't know to email me if there's some other cool stuff I can do but yeah it's been cool I've been trying to like now in the fall go out to do some Sion trail picking. So if I can find some spots that are good for it it's a lot of stuff like the kind of near the coast or coastal range in Oregon probably I don't know what like Florence to a story probably a lot into Washington too that I just have no clue about but that I think the crow's foot foothills of the mountains they're kind of get the moisture and they have the right type of like temperature range for them to grow during this time of year. It's interesting though how those grow patterns go I don't understand I don't understand like mushrooms and how those mushroom rings work or how they like their populations work but yeah, it's really interesting how they grow, and just like certain patches like where they are there'll be more of those. But where they're not there won't be it's kind of it's just weird going around to find an end but we find one you'll find more around in that area. If it's been like a good climate for it for a while though, a lot of October still has been just a little we've gotten a little rain here and there and I'm glad there's like systems moving through but it's really kind of been dry enough still that some of the forest floors aren't quite moist enough yet to start bringing it on the fungus growth that we need to get like a good crop of edible mushrooms out of it so we can see how it goes and I guess there's gonna be a window of it sometimes like the years are better for it or worse for it and I will kind of see how it goes through the rest of the year. Sometimes like as soon as you snap into November, you get a week or two weeks or three weeks in November and those are really pretty Pretty good weeks, but as soon as you get a few days with sort of where you get like a strong frost or freeze overnight that messes with the growth of those mushrooms and if you get him consecutively for like three days out that'll knock out anything for one of them you know the mushrooms that grow so fast if you have a, you have a freeze A hard freeze on Monday because then it warms up Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, Thursday you'll be able to get like he wouldn't even notice you know, you'll be able to get a good crop of new newly grown mushrooms out of you know that same area, so it just kind of depends on like how it goes. But as soon as you start getting like a set of hard freezes, man, it just seems like I've gone out and seen like a bunch of them that had been thrown in and now they're just like mushy and you know, they just got a deep freeze. They frosted over and now it's like a dead plant and it's just kind of turned to mush. And that man those mushrooms turned to mush real fast. It's really weird. I was looking at a ring that's grown in our yard. It's just toadstools, you know, like, I'll pay like the, I don't know, just buy like an apple tree. It's cool that they come on, but they come on, and like I think kind of late September is when they start to pop up this ring out there. And then there are some other areas that I've noticed around town too. It seems like it's just like a certain time of year and boom, here's all this soon as the conditions getting that right. But yeah, right where those are, they come up and then they last about I don't know, maybe five days a week or so it's been a week and a half now and but they start to decay and they start to kind of fall over fall apart. And it's interesting to see how the grass responds to grass a lot around it. Looks like it's been fertilized heavily. But yeah, it just boom pops up bright, dark green grass, about three inches, or maybe three, I don't know, maybe twice as tall as the rest of the grass around it. So yeah, it seems like those little toadstool mushrooms for the lawn 11:46 pretty well. But yeah, I think there's like another growth of them coming on now, which is kind of interesting. Like they come on in a couple of phases, but some fresh ones are coming up in the ring area around it. And then those, those are kind of last for a couple of days and then wilt out over again too. But it's cool. checking out some mushrooms and stuff around here. But yeah, I've been trying to go out and sort of see what I can forage around for which has been kind of fun. I'm not sure what other stuff there is I hear there's what is it elderberry here about that being looked for and I remember now this is another one I remember seeing a person in a strange circumstance I was driving on a forest road out in the mountains here pretty deep in the mountains and didn't see any cars ran didn't or didn't pass a car they drive up you know, you see a car and you're like, oh, there's probably person around with that car. And then after we pass this like we didn't see a car either, but we were driving, and then there was a like a shorter man with a hat and he had two big racks of these like branches maybe about as long as like your elbow to your fingertip or so but these long like thin branches with these big broad green leaves on it. And it'd be maybe 24 inches or so. And they're all on these stacks. And then they would there'd be like a kind of a plywood thing or I don't know what it was maybe newspapers of the paper but then it was like more stacked on top of that and then another layer more stacked on top of that they just had this big bundle of sticks with these big broad green leaves on it. And he was standing there on the edge of the road that we were at and we drove by and then we drove down the rest of this road and the other we never saw it a car he was staying in but this guy was out here collecting these green sticks and leaves so I'm not sure what that is it looked like elderberry. I've never really identified it exactly and it's something that grows up here and I know people will try and forage for it but I'm not sure what for or how it works now that I know they do it I want to do it to sort of have a shot trial thing came on I think like a lot of people never really even heard of that. Or a lot of like the mushroom picking stuff like Morales morels got popular stuff but I think it's like the kind of because it kind of people sort of found out that you can go look for it and people are going looking for it or that it's really expensive you think like wow it's 15 bucks to look for it or 15 bucks to buy a pound of mastering the Shawn trout mushrooms in the store well if it's that expensive it must be good and if it's that good then I just want to go look for the sort of what it seems like a little bit but it's cool going out looking for mushrooms and stuff outside I hear people talking about like like picking Morales and I guess those grow I guess as Miss grow in a different environment, like a different terrain or, or whatever it is I hear about a more like tour like in the east or like the Midwest. So I'm not sure but I know like there are different relationships of like the tree to the type of soil and the type of like environment that it's in all kind of plays a part into like what mushroom is going to grow? Is it a micro raizel relationship I might have talked about last time but I don't really understand how that works but I don't see what allows there to be like a Morel versus good spot for a short trail to grow or a portabello or what is one of those regular white ones just as crimini just regular ones that we eat and stuff so I'm not really sure what kind of like allows you to farm some but not farm others and that's a big one he can't effectively farm morel mushrooms I guess you can you can harvest them in an area that is set up as an optimal environment that's about as good as they've had it like they found like where they're growing and the time of year that they grow well and they try to optimize for that so they can go through and harvest more of it out of it but they haven't been able to take I suppose like an area that didn't have the correct environment for it and then sort of artificially grow more than the landscape would kind of bear naturally I don't think they figured that out and I don't really understand that like how there's some that you can kind of figure out a little bit but like it's just like the complications between the relationships for some of them gets so complex that it's like difficult to recreate I guess there are biologists that work on that of like how to get or what is it? Uh, yeah so biology is a type of biologist that studies mushrooms right mycologist mycology think it's my ecology and I'm an ecologist for study and machines but I also think there's like agriculture 16:29 interests think there's like a food industry interest in trying to generate mushrooms of different varieties so that they're like a commercially available product. So I think they're trying to like work those things out. So sometimes it's mycologist at that level trying to study it and figure that out, but I think sometimes it's like holding different companies and groups and teams of people trying to sort of service sort of figure out ways to sort out those problems with growing and harvesting some mushrooms and stuff you know, I was hearing about this other thing too where if you get a bunch of mushrooms and you're not quite sure what they are, there's a lot there's I guess a few different ways or there's a couple of problems where it's difficult to identify certain types of mushrooms there are some mushrooms that have never the shot goes I don't know anything about it. So I guess I should leave it with that there's a lot of them that are poisonous I guess it's sort of like the cautionary point of it like people talk about mushroom picking a lot but there's a lot of mushrooms that are pretty dangerous or that are just gonna likely make you sick so if you don't have much expertise in it, it's kind of difficult to go out and do that easily you know, because you're just gonna gather some stuff that may look like it or may look almost exactly like it but there's sort of some nuance to detail that makes it a different mushrooms or different mushroom species that is you know, not good for you or at least not edible. There's a lot of there is a difference between like the neurotoxic mushrooms that will I think to kill you or get you sick and like sick like a neurotoxin way but then I think there's like a number of them that are just an edible in a way where they'll I guess one from a range make you very sick to eat. Or they'll make you just kind of like mildly unhappy with what you ate. But generally like I prefer not to eat a lot of that stuff. Or like if it seems like it's a bad or like an unknown I'd rather like not to eat just sort of an unknown mushroom a lot of them I guess you can eat or there's a number of them that are like, maybe not preferred but are edible, but sort of may make you get an upset stomach. I was kind of confused about that, like, Well, why would you eat it's like, oh, you can eat it. It'll make you sick. But yeah, you can eat. It's like, well, what isn't that what 18:45 why wouldn't you like that? I mean, it's a thing. I mean, it makes me sick, right? Like, I eat rotten milk, too, right? It just makes you sick, like, so I don't want it. 18:56 I don't know. But I've heard of that as an explanation for some stuff. I also hear weird explanations for eating natural things sometimes. So But yeah, I was hearing about this thing where you can put you can put a bunch of mushrooms that you've got down on like a screen and then put like paper on the backside of it. And then if you cover him and let him sit for a while about that after they're cut, they'll end up throwing their spores. And I guess with certain mushrooms you can visually like see the spore pattern that's dropped onto the sheet that you put on that screen. And I guess that's how they're able to identify some similar-shaped mushrooms like if this mushroom looks this way. And this other mushroom has a different species that look almost the same way a way that you can identify how they are different is by setting them on the screen and then getting throw of their spores. And then identifying the sport as you know one spore pattern will be like bluish or purplish or whatever, and the other spatter or the other spore pattern will be like a yellow color or something. So you're like, Oh, well like this one, like through this kind of spore. And this one didn't. So like now we can identify this is this specific mushroom. I thought that was weird though, like how, how to kind of figure that out. But fortunately, like that's what's cool about Shawn's trials is that they're one of the easiest ones to identify the golden shine trousers, one that like, almost looks like it. That's a good thing to like, pull up a YouTube video to identify visually how to distinctly tell those differences, the differences apart between them, and sort of the way that the gills are fluted up the vein of the stem, and then as it kind of comes up to the mushroom top, how does that transition happen with chanterelles, it's the gills are shallow, and they start real low on it, and then kind of sweep up the fluting of the stem up to the mushroom top and, and then with these imposter ones, I guess there's kind of like a hard angle joint there where you see the gill line start. And then the gills kind of come out from there with like a deeper, a deeper sort of cut to the, to the gill Ridge with sort of some finer material, but those aren't good. I think those are a little bit more white. There's why Shawn trails to show how that goes. The difference between like the white chanterelles and the golden shun trails, I thought it was like sun exposure. Like if they were kind of bleached out from being sort of hidden under moss or something, they always seem to be like a lighter, kind of mo Yeah, just like real light color. But then I thought the ones that were out in the sunshine had to sort of defending against that and like, got like more of a color to him. But I guess they're kind of a different set of mushroom types. Sort of I understand. But I've collected both of them in sort of the same areas. And if you find one it seems like you find both of them. So I'm not sure how that goes. But I've appreciated kind of collecting them. And it's cool to dry them. That's what I've been trying to do it's hard to eat through all those mushrooms fresh as they are when you're harvesting, harvesting those mushrooms all at one time. And so what I'm trying to do this year, as opposed to what I've done in past years, was just trying to make up a dish with all the mushrooms all that first time while they're fresh, it's fun to kind of go through the stuff you harvested and then like make a big pasta thing and like put a bunch of mushrooms in it. But this time, it's just the ones that you harvested after you clean them. That's cool. And it's fun to put stuff like that together. But what I'm hoping to do is kind of gather up enough stuff from going out a little bit more frequently into a few different areas. And then gathering up the stuff that I've got and drying it out. And then having like dried mushrooms that are bagged and stored, so that I can have them kind of through the rest of the year. I've also read about freezing mushrooms. Have you guys heard of that? I know like or leaving, like when you thought out like it's not the same material anymore at all. So it's like you have to kind of put it into a sauce or something like that. So I was thinking like the cell damage that you get after freezing, it would just be way too much to use again. So I think what I'm going for is to like do it to dehydrate the mushroom, so I can like cut them or even maybe leave them attack but like, have those missions dehydrated. Which is there's a lot of water if you like, especially like after it's been like really wet like they just soak up that water in the forest floor. And then it's all within that cell mass, the Shawn trail, but when you put like, take a cut of a Shawn trail that's like a kind of a thicker hardier one, you take a cut of it, you put it on a frying pan, it's hot, and you watch like the amount of water that it releases, but it's like wow, that is just almost all rainwater that had come down and filled the cell walls. And now it's being released as you start to cook up anything man, that's a lot. No way. So that's kind of cool. 23:43 It's cool. Going through October doing some of this stuff. I've also been trying to go out and do some rock-counting stuff. It's cool, I just gotta be jetting over I mean this is kind of the old and easy classic one but I budgeted over to the coast and kind of kept an eye on the high tide and low tide times of the day in the month but it's cool to get out there and check out what rocks are sort of washed up on the surface in the sand on the beaches in times of low tide so it's kind of cool going out there cruising the rock line and kind of just picking up some nice polished stones on the beach, which I've been kind of tried to do some Jade stuff it's kind of cool if I like the little green ones, find some sand dollars and stuff but if I like some cool rocks out there I've been kind of having a good time trying to pull up some of those stones a couple of times. We've got I get a couple of times it's 24:30 like court courts. I think it's like courts rock. And then a lot of the times I noticed some of they're kind of cool, normal. What is basalt, 24:39 normal rock stuff, or it's got a line in it or something that's kind of cool when you find one with like a textured feature of it you know words and there's some seam or something in there I was like that kind of stuff to where it's it's kind of a combination of stuff but going out to the beach and trying to find some rocks and stuff through October and trying to kind of get out and do some more active stuff. I get into some of the camping trip stuff that I've done. You're a little bit but yeah trying to go out to Eastern Oregon. And check out some stuff and sort of poke around you can check out more information at Billy Numan photo comm, you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested. Or if you're more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com Ford slash Billy Newman photo. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of fun to be checking out some stuff. What's the other stuff I had to talk about? I think it was trying to figure out some stuff on like my Mac laptop, I've been trying to set it up more so that has the full set of applications and features and utilities on it that I wanted, I talked a little bit about that. I went ahead and got the I stat menus application on there. So I can look at the sensors that are in my Mac Book. The one is that the network in and out speeds that are current and the history of the network up and down speeds, I guess over the last day or seven days or you know all that information is in there, the amount of disk space where all these different pieces of information, you kind of want to know about your computer and your system and how it's working. Have Daisy disk, which is what I've been using in the past a lot, it's cool are a pretty good graphical way of sort of showing the pie chart of what's taking up space on your hard drive. I mean, using Gemini as a deduplication application to go through and find like different versions of photos that I don't want to keep stored anymore, which has been interesting to go through are just these just straight duplicates where you know, the photograph pulled in, it's just the raw version twice. And there's no difference between them other than just one file name to something like that sort of silly. So it's taking a silly amount of space, this has been a good program to kind of find some of those programs and then eliminate them. And it's good also to show you like compare like these two are said to be the same to me to kind of automatically go through and take them out, I don't recommend that, it seems like it's best to sort of go through and select a number of them and start pulling out. 27:30 It was sort of with some thought and care to it, it seemed like that made a difference to me when I did it. So it might make a difference if you tried to go to another app that I jumped on to was the magnet app, which reproduces some of the functionality started seeing a Windows seven now in Windows 10, where the windows like if you have some window up in some program and you drag it over to the left side, it'll snap to the left side and then kind of fill that side of the screen or if you drag it straight up, it'll fill the full screen if you bring it over the right side of that right side of the screen. snapping stuff isn't really on the Mac, it's always sort of been set to do these sort of multi-window painting things, but I kind of like it snapping over to the side. And it helps me have some bigger monitors to where you can kind of grab over to a side with if you have a couple of programs. So I got this program called magnet, it's one of the top-selling paid apps. In the App Store. There are a few different competitors that people seem to be interested in, also, but I got this one, it was working great enough, it's a little different than the way that the windows one does it but it's fine. And it adds the functionality that I was looking for, which is great, a great benefit for me. The other one, other utility that I was picking up was pasted the paste app, which I think is kind of interesting. It's like a clipboard app. So every computer I think, since we started getting graphical user interfaces, I think since as I recall, Windows 3.1 had a clipboard in it, but that's when you do the copy-paste stuff if you copy or cut, copy or paste if you kind of copy something, it goes on to your clipboard and then when you paste it, it's pulled off the clipboard and paste it into where it's gonna go. But the computer convention for whatever reason is just set to that you can only copy or cut one item at a time. And if you cut again, a copy again, there's no history of it or there's no way to track back the level of things that you've had copied or cut if you want to paste those in so it can kind of add into some frustrations. But this clipboard utility pastes the paste app I think is set to sort of store snippets and pieces of information that you're going to try and pull up and use repeatedly over time through like your workflow. So I was trying to figure out a way to do that I'm doing a bunch of SEO stuff like I was seeing on that website. So going through and having like, like, you know, this is a block of links. This is a block of explanation. Texas has a great meta tag This is for this. So I have all that sort of laid out. That's a great workflow where I can just kind of pull up and sort of it's like, it's visually the UI is that like a command Another keyword of the poll at the bottom third of the screen and you have this history this row this like timeline of all the different times that you've copied something over to your clipboard, and you can go back to as far as a month or maybe even more than that, and it'll share it with iCloud too. So if you have different computers, you can have this app on there, and you can kind of share everything on your clipboard around. It's kind of interesting, and it's a cool little, little useful Mac utility if you are so inclined to do copy-paste, but I don't know, I know a lot of people seem to survive, which is what is it command community? I guess I have up until this point, but try it out. That'd be kind of fun. So thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. 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I was gonna try one out today, talking about it, it might be kind of tough. I'm sure that's what you're interested in listening to on your Alexa right now. Wait, I mean echo sorry. I was gonna mention the commands if you go to your Mac, or you go to a Unix system, as it were you open up a terminal. A couple of things you can run, it's probably going to run bash, I figure like I'm some expert, but I think that's the Bourne again, shall I think it's kind of one of the more modern, sort of basic default shells that seems to run. If you run Linux, I don't know got up. Yeah. And you probably know a lot more about it than I do already. So you know, you're on your terminal tip for the moment, especially if you're on a Macintosh, I guess it doesn't work on a Windows machine, because that runs DOS, right? It's not a Unix-based system shoot. But if you're on a Mac, and you want to get into your terminal, and you want to move around just a little bit to sort of seeing what it's like, I guess two commands that would get you started would be the ls command in the Bourne shell. So the bash shell. the ls command is like the list command. So when you type in LS, and then return, what you're going to have to happen is it's going to list the contents of the directory that you're currently in, in text and command line. Oh, man, it's pretty exciting. You're gonna be excited when you see it for the first time. If you want to see some other things, I guess what you try, this is a bonus one, this is a big one, too, is CD, this current directory command. So if you want to, I guess move directories from what directory you're at now, your root directory, let's say and you want to move up to your pictures directory that you see when you type in LS, you're going to type in cd space, pictures, and then you're going to hit return and that's going to move you to the directory of pictures. Then when you type in LS, you're going to get a list of the contents of the directory in pictures. Wow, pretty amazing. You moved a directory in Unix and you found out on this flash briefing. 2:30 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo calm, you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping, and cool stuff over there. I think Yeah like I said, I like the October period, you know, it's kind of a cool outdoor month for stuff and that's kind of what I'm going to talk about too is kind of layering up stuff for October I've been trying to kind of build up the layers of clothes and the layers of like shelter stuff that I have for some of the outdoor travel stuff that I go out and do and I do it on a budget and I don't have much stuff and like other people have a lot more experience of like just getting to try all these different pieces and see like the benefits or the kind of weigh out the pluses and minuses of different pieces. And so I'm sure it's probably the case that like the best gear is always the best gear. It's kind of interesting to sort of go through those checklists or you know, like kind of in your mind like seeing like what like how's this work or what's better for me for this thing or not. So I've been pretty happy to always have or for the last couple of years to have like a vortex range outlay and for a lot of outdoor stuff that I do in Oregon, later into the year that's been like a real lifesaver for having just like a hard waterproof shell that I can like the trust that as like a good hood on it that I can keep me dry for most of the day. That along with I guess kind of like working inward like the puffy jacket makes a huge difference. And so I use a puffy jacket all the time. There are a few differences like sizes though and you sort of have to like look at the down fill layer to see what's going to be best for you and like the climate that you're going out to that it's kind of weird it goes back and forth through me a little bit. So like out here in Oregon, where I am like west of the Cascades it's sort of a mild climate a lot of the year and so I'm able to I think you're kind of dealing with like above freezing temperatures. Most hours and on most days through the year I think like you know there's some sections of the year where you get some heavy freezes but outside of those storm times it's like pretty mild weather a lot of the time and if I'm going camping or doing something outdoors in the winter. Well, there are a couple of different types I definitely use it but really for a lot of like the three-season work I do. I use a light puffy jacket either because of North Face Thermal, or thermo ball, I think it's like a like polyester-based one. It's not a downfield, puffy jacket. But I've used that for maybe six years now. And I appreciate having that I think it's great. That's probably one of my most used insulating layers when I'm going out and I mean works great, really all four seasons with the kind of compared in these mild weather circumstances like I am here in Oregon like that paired with that shell, it has been enough for me to go out. And in almost every kind of weather circumstances I've been in when I've gone out and been working or like when I was working outside a lot in the rain and trying to be outside like most days through the fall and winter, it was really fine to do that with a strong or like a good GoreTex shell that keeps you dry all the way and puffy, thermo insulating layer that keeps you warm. So it's pretty cool, but kind of comparing that and I have like this Patagonia jacket that I think has a heavier down fill rating and that has a lot of insulation to it, which is cool, warm jackets are great. And I take that out kind of deeper into the winter. But what I noticed though, is that for a lot of circumstances, like I said three season work. And while you're working or kind of like physically kind of exerting yourself I've noticed like if it's not below freezing that is too warm of a jacket to wear. And so you kind of get to pick a little bit of like where your environmental thresholds are like what kind of environment you spend a lot of time in and is it going to be above freezing temperatures below freezing temperatures, or is it going to be hot weather temperatures like where you're working, you know, your coldest temperatures might be 50, but you're going up towards like the 80s and 90s pretty regularly. And that's kind of a different environment to work into. So I've been kind of trying to keep an eye on that. But as we're kind of dropping into October the outfitting stuff that I'm doing is sort of away from the heat gear stuff that I would have been using where I'm in like lighter synthetic shorts and 6:59 trying to use lighter layers and stuff like in the winter you kind of get to layer up and stuff we just got to kind of fun sweater weather right so what I picked up last year I'm kind of excited to put some more use into it was a wool baselayer so I got a great wool t-shirt and I kind of appreciate trying to cut out some of the cotton material that I'm using when I'm going out and doing some more outdoor stuff and I guess it's because back in the day cotton was a great revolution right you know it was a more breathable fabric and it would dry faster than other fabrics that they had available to them I guess is part of what was cool about it. But as I sort of understand now it's one of the riskier types of fabric that you can wear as a base layer when you're out in the woods for a couple of days or when you're out camping or you know the talking TV shows about when you're in a survival situation. And not only that but yeah when you're out camping or if you were going to go hunting or you're going to go on a couple of day photo trip in the woods and you're just going to be living out of your truck and stuff. It kind of is it ends up being a little difficult to use a lot of cotton pieces especially if you're going to get wet or if it's cold and you don't want to get wet but you do get wet and that's a bummer because the cotton stuff just kind of stays wet and it gets cold when it gets wet. And a couple of those things just sort of lead to it being a little bit frustrating and I guess that's where some of the survival complications have happened with people who are out in okay conditions they get hit with cold rain or wet snow and they're in like an outer let you know their insulating layers but they're like a cotton coating. Or like I guess tough, warm-insulated Carhartt jackets on hunting in that they got into some wet snow on the second morning. The Carhart wet pants got or the pants that were insulated. got wet from the tall grass and brush that they walked through and then the person became hypothermic because of their exposure to the cold that soaked through their pants that got them very cold I think they had to like ditch the band's get into their sleeping bag it was synthetic and then they tried to like to warm them up with a hot water bottle in a sleeping bag or something like that out of the Jetboil but like it ended the trip I think they like they can't continue that sort of stuff so it's kinda interesting I like that kind of thing can go and I know people have probably heard anecdotes like that similarly in the past I'd hear like someone else talking about like a warm weather thing where I think they were going out on like a 42-day canoe trip Can you imagine that like going through some big river system and Labrador up in Canada. Wow, fun times popping out in Hudson Bay or something. Who knows. But they would go up there and they would talk about like all like the specific limitations on the type of fabrics that they would select to use because like if they got wet in the river or I think it was like cold weather or Who knows what kind of weather you're going to get sort of circumstances where you go between hot and cold and Canada kayaking or canoeing down 1100 miles or something like that just big long trips like that and they would kind of be really specific about how like they won't even have cotton boxers or cotton underwear because it'll be the thing that ends up being a problem other people or another person, I think kind of there's a lot of great ways to sort of work through this next problem, but I think someone argued that they did have cotton on them so that they could use it as a fire starter. If they needed a fire starter I suggest just bringing a fire starter or some other material like that, I think it would probably get you by a little better than, your cotton underwear. The best fire starter that I've used and heard about was 10:55 Well, I mean, yeah, like a stove or whatever. But if you're trying to light a fire in the winter, having a plastic bag with Vaseline-dipped cotton swabs was like a pretty inert material. Just like having a backpack that doesn't smell like kerosene or something. And it has multiple uses, you can use it cosmetically for everything's our goodness if your lips chapp I hate it when it gets dry and cold and you go oh man, my pores can't handle it. They were in a different environment. 5000 feet a difference in elevation a day ago, too much change and too much seasonal change. Now you get like, I don't know just rough spots or dry spots or you use a Vaseline you get the cotton swabs for all sorts of different things, but they're fantastic. If you light that up. It's a great little flame ball and you can use that with a stack of your other dry materials to get a fire going. Even in pretty wet conditions especially if you're kind of keeping your Firestarter material protected in some little party backpack, keep it dry and stuff that works out pretty well. And I think it works better than your underwear on a rafting trip. So but yeah, I've heard of that. Yeah, people, people try to not use that people try to like drop their leather belts. Like they won't take a leather belt out into the woods either. I like having like a sturdy belt. Like what you see people like big leather boots or whatever it's not because it gets washed, or waterlogged, but I guess because it's maybe a weight thing. I think that's what the idea was for, for maybe they're like going backpacking use like a piece of nylon webbing as a belt at that time. or other stuff we're like, I don't know just little tricks and things of like how you kind of hide certain materials and other materials and stuff. But it's weird how it goes. So I guess yeah, cotton stuff is sort of a go. They talk about using wool a lot as sort of like a preferred material to make it out of or down here like down stuff is kind of a preferred material. And then I also kind of hear similarly sided, bad things about sort of the petroleum developed products that you get from polyesters or nylons, or I guess like this polyester insulating foams, you get like those thermo ball insulating foam that would be in the pouches of another polyester material that makes up like the puffy jacket that I wear. For the Patagonia one that's a downfield, puffy jacket. You have little goose feathers poking, poking out of it all the time, too. Yeah, I feel like you feel around the right way a little goose feather I'll punch out the side and pull it out a little feather right there a little down feather, which is kind of trippy. But those I guess are like a better insulating system. Then like the synthetic kind of oil-based stuff and I guess the same goes for like sleeping bags too. If you want to get into like a sleeping bag to keep you warm. There's something like the 15-degree bags that are well I don't know and it has a couple of other features too. I guess it's like light and it stretches down well and if you get it wet, you can get it dry again. Well, I guess it depends on like certain qualities down sometimes that kind of gets I think a little tricky. But the wall I guess you can get. You can get wet, you'll stay warm and you can get it dry faster. And I think that's sort of the benefit of the war on the animal that gets wet to you know like if you think of a sheep getting rained on all the time. I guess it's sort of part of the fibers that don't attract a lot of odor because it has to be on an animal all the time. And I guess it does well to not have to like make you cold when it gets wet. I guess that's a big part of it. So a lot of the merino wool fabrics that have come out, or the merino wool blends that are with some little bit of spandex or some other kind of natural fiber product that they try and put in helps to kind of be a little bit more durable when they have those little blends. But mostly you want a pretty strong merino wool fabric. And that's pretty cool if you're getting sort of like a base layer or something like that. It's A little bit more tuned for the outdoors it's like wool sweaters or something that you can find but that's not quite there cool old wool shirts you know like an old old Pendleton shirt or an old Filson shirt that's like a lagers kind of wool button that would go into like a canvas jacket. I kind of think is cool but that's sort of a different look and it used to be the technical gear layering and probably still you'd see if you get like I don't know like a horse guide like a guided trip with a horse or a mule or something like that's the pack in a bunch of stuff they probably still use gear that sort of similar to that without the kind of like the technical synthetic gear that you try and find it like Rei hiking places or something or, or wherever, whatever else similarly branded. But yeah, it's cool trying to do some wool Merino underlayers and trying to work with those puffy jackets when they can 15:56 try to work with well I have a soft shell that gets a lot less useful than it used to be. I used to try new soft shells all the time but I just kind of go with the wool, the wool base layer, The North Face kind of wore you know like a warmer temperature-rated puffy jacket and then have the gore-tex layer over that. picked up a hat this year. That's pretty cool like in that boots. I had a couple of different sets of boots for the October stuff before it gets really heavy in the season and before it gets like real wet or rainy. Now while I'm kind of doing some of this lighter outdoor stuff I have like a pair of heavy leather boots that are super cool for some of that deeper hiking stuff that you get into especially after it's wet and rainy and stuff but really for a lot of the light season stuff and sort of summer spring stuff. I have these Nike s FB boots, it's like military boots I picked them up in brown like a desert tan color. And then I also picked up a similar pair, the underarm remakes and so they're kind of like a lighter, more athletic shoe from the base but they have like kind of tall neck that goes up to like your mid-upper ankle there. And so it's not like a real table or like it's not like galoshes they're not waterproof they're kind of vent on the sides and they dry out they're kind of like a synthetic material that dries out pretty quick when you do get it wet but it also has like a good bit of tread and you can get them wet get them dry and wet. I think they kind of made for 17:29 an okay dry environment that's sort of where I use them most of the time is you know hiking around for any of this kind of lighter duty forest I was nice because they're light boots like with those other heavy leather ones like just the soles of the boots seem like they pound each you know you kind of like feel it the first couple days you getting back into the use of them during the season where you're like man my feet are like four pounds heavier it seems like each just kind of like walking with a weight on it. So it's nice to have one of the newer sorts of higher tech boots that don't have the same kind of ankle support as a thicker leather boot does or they don't have the same kind of heel support. I like to talk about like those you know thick, like like a two-inch heel or something that like one of those white boots has. Or if you get like Red Wings they have like a real deep, thick heel that you can use to kind of stomp in and cut in on some hiking stuff, and for these yeah it's just kind of like a good sort of smooth walking boot and you get some ankle support from that that tall neck but it's sort of fabric so that it seems like it you're just it's a light boot as seems like you're ready to you know run and you can do like an athletic maneuver and these pretty well and it doesn't seem like the boot is going to be too heavy to slow you down not right for every circumstance like if I'm going in a deeper area. It's cool it's nice to have like the kind of protection of a steel-toed leather boot. But like the normal s sfbs I think are not steel toe I think I think these Under Armour ones though are and then there are steel-toe versions that are out there. But that does seem to I've kind of run into a few circumstances where after some of the more woodsy stuff it seems like having the steel toe has helped a lot to keep my feet protected and stuff and if you hike in a lie you got to get to watch out for blisters and stuff too. One of the big things I've noticed to help that is like really breaking in your shoes with three weeks or more but three weeks of like pretty near full-time use to start getting them broken in or to get kind of the feel the break the crease, the kind of the fabric kind of working together in the way that it's going to fit around your body and stuff. But yeah, it seems like it takes about three weeks to sort of get those issues broken into a spot that that ends up being comfortable for longer trips and longer where I had like a pair of chocos and this Draco's, they were great you know that you don't wear socks if you don't like to buffer it with wool socks or something. But I remember I think working with those for like, three weeks or so at first your feet man. They will Rub raw. Yeah, yeah they'll you'll get some hot spots with the webbing on those chalk as it's like this really kind of tough webbing but after like three weeks or so like after you kind of wear your foot into it so that it's kind of strong enough to deal with it. And you also start breaking in the rubber of the boot or the rubber of that foot for the shoe. It's you it's your foot. But once you get that all kind of broken and I was able to hike for miles and miles in those and have no rub problems at all. I think I did. I think I did the whole hiking trip up to the summit of the paintbrush divide and the cascade Can you know, like the Teton's chip I talked about sometimes Yeah, I did that whole hiking trip with the Tetons in early, mid-late September. Probably right around now. But I did that trip in the Tetons with just those black shakos that I had that had like kind of that boot shed bottom and I did great through that whole trip I did like a 42-mile trip down the lower road that was like a hiking backpacking trip so you have a background backpack on the got these little river shoes on and you're hiking away on the trail and yeah, a lot of the times if you're not really in shape for it man, those will just rip your feet up pretty badly and I've seen it affect people's trips before you know like where their shoes just like really start to bite in on them. And it happens fast. As soon as you get like a hot spot or something it can be just a quarter mile or another mile and then like that problem has been exacerbated a lot so as soon as like gets bad boom man gets bad fat or it starts to degrade fast and then once it's gone it's gone on for a while you know it's bad. And it can cause some mobility problems when you're out there. So I think kind of to kind of deal with some of that stuff. We're kind of breaking them in earliest at school, which is what I've been trying to do with some of my shoes. But yeah, trying to get outfitted for this stuff in October. It's been kind of fun, trying to work out the layers 21:58 and stuff. You can check out more information at Billy Newman's photo comm 22:08 you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support if you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 22:45 But the holidays were kind of an interesting time because I ended up sort of thinking a lot about what But well, what photographs are, you know, I'm getting a little bit older now. And I think there's there's sort of like a change in the vision that I have of the way that I kind of think about photographs or you know, what, what is their purpose? Why are we making them and in a big way, like maybe propagated by the Instagram culture or the sharing content creation culture that sort of seems to be out right now, especially for those you know, photographers or artists, I think they feel the pressure to be content producers now, and that maybe is a little bit of a different job than the photographer or the real artists, that kind of person. And so I've been trying to sort of think about that a little bit. And then and sort of taking a look at the trends of Instagram and my art is what I need to pursue. And a lot of the time I sort of noticed this, and even in my images, this like super sharp, super crisp, everything has to be perfect or edited or meaningful and dramatic and these images. And what I'm noticing a little bit especially as I review my older images is the photographs that I'm drawn to. They're the photographs that represent the truth more, they're the photographs that kind of have 24:03 I don't know what it is really but they have a little bit more of an essence of reality. Or maybe it's its reality, but it's also a little bit of grit to it to like this happened it was magical. It was interesting, I liked that surrealism in the photographs that I take and I have for a long time but there's a little bit more and I've always I think a lot of stuff I've done kind of pushed for the Unreal. And some of the stuff that I'm kind of noticing the last couple of years as I looked at like the photographs and how they change this sort of how that shifted from the Unreal of landscapes of the world. You know kind of trying to select things about landscapes You know, when they have unusual colors to them, or unusual dynamics or phenomena like clouds or weather or water or something like that makes it sort of feel like a different look or a different image than like what we'd see midday at noon if we looked at the same thing. So I think that's still part of photography but one thing I was noticing through the holidays and reviewing a bunch of my old photographs was how much the stock value of, a photograph goes up over time, over one year, it's a bit over a few years, it's a bit more, but over a decade, you get, you get to see the change that happens in time, you know, I get to see, like much younger relatives. And these photographs took 15 years ago than they are now and it seems like kind of an obvious point or seems like something everyone should know. But really, there's a huge amount of value in the photographs because they capture something at the time that it was and you get to hold on to that after their people or the moment or the event or the experience changes. Certainly, notice as I'm getting older that life does sort of change, it changes, then it's an obvious kind of the point of fact that everybody's sort of known about for a long time. But in my naive sense, I've been so focused on photography or image creation or on the product making something that's kind of crisp and sharp and perfectly usable today. I don't know if I was thinking so clearly about how the nostalgia factor or how the value of something you know, from a family or just sort of a small moment that's captured this, this more real, how that escalates in value over time. And like coming at these photos, 15 years later, even like seven years later, from some of the stuff that I had, it's really interesting to see, like, wow, like I took a ton of photos of this type of topic. But I didn't, I didn't take as many photographs that sort of represented my artistic experience in my life. For that humanity, I want to try and show more of that in the photographs, the humanity that kind of the way you feel about a photograph. And I think that's so much about what a photographer is there to do is sort of being able to kind of pick and select which moments to capture and which ways you're going to be able to share that stuff in the future that's going to become more nostalgic, more meaningful, or just a way of kind of knowing Oh, this was part of my life. Wow, that's cool. So I've been trying to think about some of those ideas around photography for the new year a little bit but along with that I've been going through the last like 15 years of photos and in my big super catalog that that collection of Lightroom photos I made that's kind of trying to pull in every phone photo, every phone video every different camera I've had since 2002 I'm trying to get all those photos together, put them in there I think it was like 120,000 images something like that which isn't that many photos for someone that's been doing stuff for a long time. But I went through those and I tried to like punch those down to a lot of the Select so out of the images that I kind of want to keep from and I was trying to pull out a lot of good photos but but photos that were kind of irrelevant to me for this sort of future moving forward catalogue of stuff I want to get rid of like product photos or word photos that are hundreds and 1000s of photos even that kind of fill up space and memory in the catalog I'll keep those definitely but those will be backed up on another hard drive but what's active to me what's in my library currently I want to be like the last I think I've talked about this for like the last two years or so photos and whole in total so I can get back to that library and edit any one of those raw files that have but for stuff that's older than two years like 2015 and before I kind of want to pair those down a little bit so that I'm a little bit more specific and unable to get to those photos that were selects a little bit faster and then especially for older stuff like pre pre 2010 or so I want to around really have those pared down to like the the 100 photos I actually you know I need to have around two to get to for for whatever kind of stuff I need to do. But it was cool that going through the old photos and you just kind of do it in this pretty quick way you know this is a star This is a two-star kind of thing. So you kind of punch through those pretty fast and then and then I have another round to do or I'm going to try and punch it you know from one star to two stars those are going to be what I keep for a while and then from that I'm going to try to render that down to select all the three-star photos all the that's kind of like I would take this photo and sort of put it under review and then and then my system at least is a little bit of the four-star five stars zone that's for this is going to be published or this is going into the portfolio or as content sort of thing. So yeah, I'm gonna try and push on that stuff a bit more and get some photographs sorted for the year but is cool going through all of these old trips that we've done all those different places that we've gone to and of course I've seen well one thing I've noticed is good lord how bad at Photoshop I was. And I want to say that I'm going to put a little blame because I remember this happened at the time but I want to put a little blame on how god awful my laptop monitor was like a 2006 2007 2008 laptop monitor just had no color gamut against what we know now in like modern o l or LED Retina Display monitors like Apple puts out or like any kind of modern LED, more color accurate monitor that we have now but I was looking at it and there's like it's just so muddy. There are few colors that it can represent. So you have to push things a little further out of the gamut, or at least I did at the time, kind of not understanding what I was compensating to. So I look back at some of these photos and go, Oh, I would never make it this yellow and green in a modern world. So it's kind of interesting what you know, whatever was going on, or whatever I was thinking about at the time visually, that sort of drew me to that place. But it's interesting to see like how that changes, how your aesthetic sort of changes, and also a little bit of how your tools and calibration systems changed and sort of seeing like, wow, off was that way back, then. So all stuff that you kind of learn and you get better at and it's interesting, at least to the benefit, you get better over time. And like a decade later, I see changes in the kind of creative or the style that I would lay out just if I started working, you know, out without actually having to try and implement a style, you know, try and lay with Oh, I'm going to make a photograph that's black and white, and of events and personal or something, instead of trying to go out with, you know, a set intention of that which you should or could in any set of photos. But if I just go out and am shooting what I am drawn to the photographs that are capturing get in the way that I kind of perceive what they look like, and how I want to show them to people, that's all kind of changed and evolved. And it seems like my choices in that are better than they once were. But it was interesting to just kind of seeing like, man, how many years and years and years, it takes me taking photographs before any of these photographs really got good or got to the point where they were more than snapshots or more than just kind of data collection sort of thought of myself as an archivist for a long time where we're like the job wasn't really to be a photographer where it was editing to select like a moment and character and sort of like nuance between things that have like an emotional pole to them, I didn't really understand that type of composition stuff, I just sort of understood the camera mechanically functioning is a light capturing tool. And so that was like that was probably the first four years of photography was sort of thinking about it like that, like I'm capturing data of reality. And then that's going to be processed into something else later. And it wasn't really for years until I understood like emotional vision or you know, like having some way to kind of tie the way you feel to the way that you see something and that was interesting kind of learning about how some of those things work and it's still such a long road and I still have you know, no, no real understanding no real experience in that by anybody that's trained just self-taught. Little Billy out here and nowhere Willamette Valley So yeah, that's some of the stuff about making selects. 32:40 Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman's photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage and some good links to other outbound sources. some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy noon in a photo calm. Thanks for listening to this episode and the backend.

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I don't know, I've heard a couple of stories about it where these higher I'm sure probably the entry-level system is quite adequate and a very positive type of computing experience that you're going to get from I'm sure you're going to be happy in a lot of experiences. But there's talking about the I nine system specifically because of its heat output. I think that you know, that's the new division of there's the I five processors, the ice seven processors. Now for laptops for the first time, in Mac, at least, you have the option to get a nine processor. Now I guess this has a significantly higher heat threshold than the processes before. And the laptops don't have a better system of removing that heat from the system than the previous laptops are then the other iterations of the laptop in the same line that produce much less thermal energy. So this is kind of, I guess, been performance hinders, in some cases, because there's something called thermal gating. It's a system where when the computer gets too hot, somewhere around boiling temperature, can you imagine that's happening just in your little laptop, heat venting out of your keyboard? Goodness gracious, that's what you have to do to get a 4k video coming out of a laptop. So with all this going on with that, that process, you're trying to not reach a boiling point, it does something called thermal gating where I guess it turns your fancy new four gigahertz I nine processor into quite a bit slower, one gigahertz processor kind of churning through some things because of its heat output, and because of how much heat is generating. So it's kind of an interesting thing. I guess there was a YouTuber that did a video render from an Adobe Premiere file, they did it, you know, on the desk, where it was pretty, it was spinning up, the fans producing a lot of heat and stuff, they put it in the freezer, which is maybe a good idea, maybe not I made me do it and put it in the freezer. And I guess the render time was 20% faster because it was not running up to the thermal gating fast, I guess because it was a better heat dissipation system, though. It's not an optimal system to run a computer freezer. Because of that system. And you know, it's a laptop of a very thin laptop, trying to run very high-performance utilities. So I'm kind of curious about, you know, really what the design perspective is on that. It'll be interesting to see where things go from here. And I'm sure things will probably be fine, but I don't know I don't I just still don't like USBC that's how old I am. Give me a headphone jack. 3:00 You can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think you can look at that Bitly Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism, camping, and cool stuff over there. Oh, yeah, there's been so many discoveries since last year, gravitational waves have been verified and had been projected before but now they've been verified, I guess I suppose. They say the math is strong. I'll let the scientific community that that's all but yeah, they say that they found what was it like a 26. And ours, I think was 26 and 34. solar mass black holes orbiting each other came closer and closer kind of spiraling in on their same-like point. And then they finally merged when the two giant black holes a solar mass, like we talked about before, is the size of our Sun. So one sun around Earth is one solar mass. So these black holes were each 30 solar masses, so 30 times more massive than the mass of the sun. And these two black holes smiled at each other. And it's at this rate, I think, predicted in Einstein's theory of special relativity, where it kind of matches a pattern of how gravitational bodies will orbit around each other and then collide with each other. And so when these two bodies collided with each other, there was an X, I think there was if you think of E equals MC squared as energy equals mass times the velocity of light squared, then what that would mean is that when mass is accelerated to a certain point turns in energy. That's what happened in this event, these 230 solar mass, black holes collided with each other. It released three solar masses That are three times the whole mass of our Sun, from mass into energy out into space. And I think this is one of like the largest or the most energetic events that we've been able to record. in cosmology. It's really big. Yeah, well, yeah, or not, not in priority, but in the amount of energy that's exchanged at a single point that's verifiable. And so that's, I think, what the type of thing that this, this type of observing observatory was looking for, was something to collect these gravitational waves. So it's a cool story, they've kind of figured that out. I think that was back in September, that they made the observations, and then now, and was it early February, mid-February, that's when they kind of announced it probably won't make a lot of changes for any daily use, but it will change a lot of the astronomical. Well, I'd say like, part of the study of astronomy going forward in the next 50 or 75 to 100 years, you know, it's because now we can make gravitational telescopes, we can make these tools that can observe gravity waves out in space. And this is just the first time that we've done it, this was an observation of one of the strong signals are strong events that we'd be able to gravitationally pick up. And so now from here, over the next several generations of this, this technology, they're going to be able to refine it so much more that they're going to be able to pick out much more subtle gravitational waves. And once they're able to do this, or once you're able to, let's say, now that it's proven this type of technology out into space, and then make that experience vast, we're going to be able to refine details of these gravitational waves to a much smaller resolution. And that's going to give scientists and cosmologists and these new gravitational wave astronomers, more tools to look into the universe, and especially the look into the early stages of the universe forming, we're just going to be exciting. I think this event that they observed was one and a half billion light years away, they say, it's not triangulated. So they don't know exactly where in space, this event took place. But they say that it would be out somewhere past the Magellanic Cloud if we were to kind of think about it in the sphere of the sky that's in the southern hemisphere. 7:18 Pretty cool stuff. Pretty cool. So say, okay, the coolest thing. So it's kind of up to us to sort of wrap our head around what it means what are they observing, what is the gravitational wave, but this ripple from this event that happened one and a half billion years ago, sent a wave in Gravity through space-time across the universe? And it adjusted the width of the Milky Way galaxy by the width of your thumb? Oh, yeah, that's so in the room. There's, in any kind of human perceptible distance, there's no change. There's like an Adam's with a change. For us experiencing it here on Earth. That's why we didn't see any kind of crazy, you know, thing happened, there's no kind of observable event, you with something that's probably one of the strongest events observable. For us, you know, out in outer space, these collisions of black holes. But, yeah, that wave, I think stretched and then shrunk the Galaxy by the width of a thumb. So that's like, 100 lightyears across. I think it's 100,000 light-years across the Milky Way galaxy. And that kind of wiggled by an inch. Yeah, see a gravitational wave, 8:30 are you saying that it? A got a space in it. That was the width of a thumb. And then it got closer together. 8:39 You know, it's really strange, it warped space-time. So there was no, there's no physical space that changed. But that was complicated. Yeah, that the, that the fabric between the atoms had flexed outward, and perceivable. To us, as beings that don't have the capability of perceiving something like that of the change in space-time, we're not able to do what we perceive because it says we're in it, we perceive time to be pretty constant. But if we were outside of that, we could see that the fabric of it the size of it stretched out an inch, and then came back together. So if we think of the expanding universe, it's the expansion of space-time that's traveling outward. So the physical distance between the two proton-proton in an atom is, is expanding outward. And the size of those atoms is expanding outward. And it's just it's like space-time is expanding. It's just sort of all expanding together. But in this situation, just this wave came through, as we think of a wave on a beach that rolled through. And like when we were in the waves in the ocean a few weeks ago, we you'd kind of be in the wave, it would move through but then it would go back to The status of the water before the wave, right? So the wave similarly came through, it didn't displace anything or move anything permanently. But it is just wave time. And it's going through, yes, stretch it by some amount, and then had it come back together. But that's the amount of distortion that was sent across. From that gravitational wave. And gravitational waves. The reason that it's important to us is that it was the thing that was one of the last things to be identified, or how would that be one of the last items in Einstein's theory of special relativity that was yet to be? Um, well yet to be proven. So this item of gravitational waves has just been theoretical, up until this point, because it has not been, there'd been no technology developed to make that observable phenomenon, these gravitational waves. And so it's this huge feat of engineering that we're even at a place where we can do that now. Yeah, 10:58 that's pretty incredible, is it? So now that they've officially, I guess, said that that's happened, they're going to be working on telescopes now, or newer telescopes, I can detect that. Yeah, 11:12 there's, so there are two locations right now. And these were all part of a scientific grant to look for a theoretical piece of science that no one believed even existed. Even Einstein, I think kind of sort of tried to retract this idea during his life, that there is that there was even the possibility of observing these gravitational waves, they were able to make this system to do that. There's, it's a gravitational wave Observatory, really interesting stuff, I won't get into exactly how they do it. But it's a Laser Interferometer. And it uses a period amount of time to bounce a laser beam back and forth. And if a gravitational wave goes through there and stretches spacetime out, then the wave of light takes longer than the speed of light to go all the way down to the end and then back. And so they're measuring that amount of time, that period accurately. And then when this happened, the way it came through, it stretched spacetime over that distance. And then the wave didn't come back at the right time. That means that there was a measurable gravitational wave that passed through that space-time, that stretched that tube of the observatory. And that's what they recorded, they did this in two locations, all part of the same. I don't know, observational? Well, there are two observatories, they both get recordings, and then they match that data together. So that they can do noise cancellation, to drop out any of the disturbances that be localized to the earth. So if there's an earthquake in one, you could kind of measure that against whatever the other one would pick up. And you can cancel that signal out. Okay. Yeah, it's cool stuff. So now that it's been proven, now, this experimental thing that cost billions of dollars to get set up for the first time has been proven, it's going to be this huge expansion into the scientific community, where they're going to be building a lot more of these tools to do gravitational wave observations. That's cool. It's gonna be really exciting. Yeah, I'm really glad that it came through, we're gonna see a huge expanse in the field of cosmology in our lifetime. And now that this is something that's out there that people well that, that astronomers will be able to research on, it's going to be interesting to find out, I guess, what kind of discoveries kind of come from this? Yeah. Time to best, but it'd be cool. 13:31 Yeah, that'll be neat to see what new things are figuring 13:35 out? Yeah. Be a lot of fun. 13:38 And so what are the names of the observatories that proved this? 13:42 Yeah. So like, I think I mentioned that two observatories were picking this up, and they were doing noise cancellation against each other, to try and refine the signal, which is part of how the technology works that you're using. And so, the installation is called Lego. It's the Laser Interferometer gravitational wave observatory. It's an acronym. And there are two installation sites right now. They're both in America, I think they're going to expand soon out from that, because there's going to be an advantage if there were at least if there are more than two, because right now with two, they're not able to triangulate the position of a signal that they get. And so once they're able to triangulate things, that question that we had a few minutes ago when we were talking about where this event, this, this black hole collision took place in the universe, we'd be able to better pinpoint that answer if we have three of them because we'll be able to triangulate that signal. So with the two of them, we're only able to tell right now that they're out in the Magellanic Cloud. So the two observatories exist. One of them is in Washington State, and one of them is in Arkansas. Right now, school, I think the best place for them to be would be off the earth entirely. So same is like the hub telescope, when we started doing optical observations of space above us, we use the telescope here on Earth. But, ultimately, the best highest resolution way that we can make observations of the universe was by putting that telescope outside the gravity world view of the earth and putting it out into space, where there wouldn't be any disturbance from light pollution or atmosphere or vibration. And they could put this telescope up, make it perfectly still and have it take these long exposures, or long periods of light collecting to get these images or to get this resolution of data so that they can look out so deeply into space, really cool how they're able to do that, with optical telescopes. I think, in our lifetime over the next 3040 years, if this seems like a promising field of science, we're going to see that expand out into Laser Interferometer gravitational wave observatories that are put out into space as like long satellites, or satellites that communicate to each other and send a pulse back and forth, or send a laser back and forth to each other, and then try and pick up that same period is the technology and algorithms for this get a lot better be cool. It'd be cool. Yeah. Yeah, it would be really neat. So I think right now since they have proven that there are gravitational waves, there is now funding made available for the third Lego installment to I think, be put into somewhere in the US probably take another 10 years for that installation to go online. I'd bet we might see others like this come up from other educational institutions around the world. Like we might see something from CERN or we might see something from, you know, just from some other installation that would want to build something like this. Now that it's a provable scientifically researchable field of cosmology be cool. It's going to be one of the most exciting things that happens in the next century of scientific discovery. I think this is probably one of the groundbreaking things that will be part of learning about gravity learning about that part of early universal history. be interesting. 17:06 Yeah, interesting. 17:08 Yeah. You can check out more information that Billy Newman's photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value-for-value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support, you can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. 17:54 So I wanted to talk about the training stuff that I've been doing, I think I'd mentioned I had done a good bit of work with, you know, other programs in the past. But this is the first time that I've gotten into spending time learning specifically about some of the features and the controls in Logic Pro, and now Logic Pro 10 by five. So what I've done is gone too now what's called LinkedIn learning. LinkedIn learning com, there used to be a website called lynda.com. And lynda.com was these screencast video tutorials of how to use different types of software and how to be trained and you know, just training for different types of most of the time computer related skills. So I've used that service for several things over the years specifically, I think, Chris, or wigs. Lightroom tutorial is probably like a standard for a lot of photographers that have been interested in and learning about photography and editing. And so all of those courses that have existed over the years, have a lot of good information in them. But so I went back, to what would be lynda.com now as it has been purchased by LinkedIn, through Microsoft, it's now called LinkedIn learning. Right on Hmm. So LinkedIn learning has all of the old Lynda videos including all the updates to the videos that they're continuing to produce. So I went on and I tried to find some training videos about Logic Pro 10 there are several videos like Essential Training for Logic Pro 10, but there's nothing because now this new update Logic Pro 10.5 is only maybe two weeks old, or something. It's there's no there's just no new video training established for it. So I think for Logic Pro 10.4 there's a full Essential Training Video that was produced by Scott Hirsch, a music producer out of New York, and he just kind of goes through the controls in the system and stuff and you get a good feel of like how to how to make changes, how to use different features, how to use the mixer versus like the linear tracking system, you know how to use different controls and stuff, a lot of the stuff is similar if you've used GarageBand like I was mentioned, or another digital audio workstation that does multitrack in the past, but it was cool, yeah, learning licks and techniques about how to apply different compress, or how to make the settings of a compressor do more specifically, the types of things that I'm wanting to do in a mix, I think was some good information for me to be learning about through the Logic Pro training stuff. Also, in addition to that, if you don't want that, so LinkedIn learning is a paid service, you can get a one-month free trial at that too, which I'm taking advantage of at this moment to get some new information. But what you can do is go to YouTube and look up similar, similar training videos. And there are a lot of people a lot of music producers out there that have done their screencasts of kind of walking through different services or different techniques that these digital audio workstations provide. So looking at a guy, guy's website, I think it was why Logic Pro rules calm and that had a lot of good training videos on it too. He had a lot of information about how different pieces of it work and just how to make use of a lot of the techniques that you'd have to apply in a certain piece of the software to make it more effective. And I thought that was cool. I appreciated some of the stuff that he'd done and thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman's photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, good links to other outbound sources, some links to books, and links to some podcasts. Like these blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy noon in a photo calm. Thanks for listening to this episode and the backend

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But I'm excited to try and put up a bunch of the older portfolio photographs that I have. And I was really happy to work on the website a lot this summer, I kind of redesigned a bit of that, you check that out, totally think of it, it's a billion human photo.com. And I tried to strip out a lot of the unnecessary parts, and I'm trying to kind of hone it down a little bit. So it's a little cleaner, but it's gone. Well, I've tried to set it up a little bit more. So it's stream-based if that makes sense. You know, we've kind of moved toward like the Facebook stream, the Twitter stream, the Instagram stream. So I'm trying to kind of move it to were like I talked about on the podcast before where a lot of the media stuff that I put together, the video clips, the photographs, and stuff that wherever they do end up going whatever sites I am populating, like flicker and Instagram and Facebook and all the rest of it, that's kind of what's shown on the website or you know, have the websites kind of try and automatically pull that stuff and ingest that into the website. So I don't have to do it as much. And that's kind of been fun. It's kind of been cool doing that. But the thing that I need to do, the part that is still left is I need to go through my photo portfolio, kind of the long-term portfolio of images I have, and I'm trying to go through and select what would be good to show the work that I've done so far. And I'm trying to do that in a way that's more developed than I had before I've gone through and I've selected, I've kind of picked the photos that I liked a lot. But I've tried to do a couple of different things. And hey, another truck. Man, that looks like a few times of gravel in the back. So what I want to do them, with the photo stuff, and what I've kind of been trying to work on a little bit is to go through Instagram, or to go through Facebook and to try and select my favorite photographs, but then also just select the ones that have been sort of chosen by the market. That's another idea that I'm trying to go for what do people actually like about the pictures that I take? What are the ones that people seem to connect with the most. So on one level, I'm trying to find all those photos. And then I'm trying to sort of remake those photos or re edit them or you know, kind of re republish them in a way that looks sort of new. And that's cleaned up a little bit in the way that I can I can edit and create stuff now. So part of the step is that and then the other part is sort of learn what people like are the photos I make. And then I want to go out and try and make more of that. Or try and dig in a little deeper on on the part that seems to get the most traction or that seems to be seen as the most valuable. So what are those, like what I've noticed? 3:03 Well, yeah, what I've noticed anecdotally so far is that the low light stuff, or the Astro photography, the night photography, the landscapes, where there's stars matched in the background seem to really perform really well. And I really love trying to take those photos and I know a lot about how to lay out the stars that I would want in that foot or you know, I know where the stars are, I know how to kind of line some of the landscapes I thought that I know how to expose for it. So that's a part that I'd really like to get into and push for more what seems to be a draw the photos that I take. But on the other side of that too, I really want to do more, more fine art photography, that's what I really liked, and was kind of drawn into when I first started taking photos, even way back on film, before I knew how at all but I really liked the fine art side of it, where you could go through and try and put the nicest elements together or, you know, try and put a landscape together. But I like that side of it a lot more than the product or production side of it. In, in a sense at least. And I've always been really interested in the fine art photographers that are out there, or the fine art landscape photographers where you see some of the advanced kind of work that they put together some of the ways that they're able to put real pieces real elements into a photograph, it's always seemed so cool, when you're really able to be in tune with that sort of stuff. And I've just always loved the old landscapes and, you know, old Fine Art images from the past. So that's got to the stuff that I'm trying to get into. But organizing this stuff has been interesting. So I'm trying to use this program called Scrivener. And maybe I talked about it before or maybe a while back. I talked about it. But Scrivener is kind of interesting. It's this, and I talked about it yesterday. No, but it's this writing application that I'm trying to get into and it seems like it would take a few tutorials to really figure out it's a little bit more in depth. Hey, gravel truck. It's a little bit it's quite a bit more in depth than something like Word. Even though Microsoft Word is sort of an industry standard that every One has sort of learned on for the last 1520 years, it really is a little bit more specific to like an essay for at least the way I've learned it. But it's more specific to the an essay format of word processing, where you're trying to get a page accomplished, and you're trying to edit through that or you're trying to edit through kind of a single document. And Scrivener is sort of laid out in a way where there's a few more pieces on the side of it, where it's really supposed to be a research applicant, or you're supposed to kind of compile 5:28 different documents of text research or photo research and kind of put that together. And then you're able to sort of assemble a larger writing projects from there, which I think is kind of interesting. Like I figure like book authors would use a writing program like this to work on their character outlines, and their story outlines their plot summaries, and then they would work that into the manuscript that they would make into their book later. So I just think it's kind of an interesting way that they seem to be going, or that the program is built to sort of go about it. So I'm trying to get into that and do it well, but one of the aspects I'm trying to do is to put in all the portfolio photographs that I have, into this Word document, and then sort of sort those photographs, and write about those photographs a little bit to see which photographs really seem to connect with me, or connect and connect with an audience the most and, but also, what photographs sort of have a story associated with them, I love that. Like, if you would follow me for this for a second, you would kind of see that there's a difference between the photographs that are going to be the most monetizable the ones that you can make money from like, let's say portraits, let's say business portraits for some company, you could get, you could get some money for that. But you wouldn't really want to post that in your portfolio of work necessarily, you'd want to like, at least in my case, what I'd like to do is show some photos from the in the high River Canyon, like where we were last week on our photo trip. So you kind of want to move into that stuff. But you don't, it's not gonna be the same sort of thing. Like there's landscape, fine art photos, or just, you know, the landscape, travel, adventure, tourism sort of stuff, that's all gonna be on one side of it. And then the other is going to be, you know, senior portraits, business portraits, event photography, wedding photography, that sort of stuff. So there's sort of two sides of, of a portfolio one of them's a photo product that's valuable for money. And the other one's a, an art piece that's valuable because of its aesthetic. And those are sort of different things that you've kind of, as a photographer, you're trying to build both of those up at the same time, it's sort of like two different routes that you have to work on at the same time until they sort of merged together and unify. So just got him an interesting part of it. And that seems to be part of the process that I'm in right now is trying to figure that stuff out. So some weeks it's, I'm working really hard on the aesthetic side of the photography and then some weeks and working really hard on the monetizable compensation based side of the products that I want to try and build as a photographer that's in business, right. And there are those are interesting challenges. But I guess I've been doing it for a couple years and it's kind of fun at least to to get to still be doing it. So a couple things that I'm trying to do is I'm trying to go through a build a new Lightroom catalog of all the photos that have taken this year and all the photos from the last couple years second, organize those and do a little bit of what I'm talking about. So I have this kind of tighter collection to maybe the top 100 Top 200 Top 50 some number in there of of well laid out photo essays and stories with an image you know that's kind of what I'm trying to get to especially for like the the social media content side of it, I want to try and have that ready to go with a higher frequency almost all the time. So I'm trying to get everything kind of pre produced right, if that makes sense when all the portfolio photos pre selected and then ready for me to go if I want to if I want to post those I get those out on any given day. So it's interesting, it's kind of a cool project. I worked on it a little bit. I'll work on it a little bit here and there when I can but that's another part that's kind of tough. I mean Gosh, I haven't even finished my website yet. Which I guess the last part is still just this I need to it's kind of what it's been waiting for is I need to finish the selection of the portfolio and then I can build the portfolio gallery and put that up on the website. But so far, it's been working great just to send the y'all over to Instagram. I think that's where most of the stuff goes. That's where all the current content goes anywhere to it's fine. And up on here. You can see more of my work at Dooley Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at Billy Newman under the authors section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping. You cool stuff over there. 10:03 really trying to do a lot of scouting stuff, which I've enjoyed to doing some scouting stuff through the summertime, it's been pretty cool, where I'm really trying to go through some of these backroads I'm trying to like Mark spots in the map where there's good campsites, which I hadn't really done before, you know, it was a lot of places, I've driven a lot, a lot of roads I've been on, especially, you know, like back country roads, to Forest Service roads, BLM roads, and I know a lot of good dispersed camping areas. And really, I understand the context of how to find those areas so much better now that I'm older than when I was young. I mean, when I was young, and I go camping with my dad, you know, we'd go out to Eastern Oregon we'd find some spots and they'd known about those spots since you know, he was a kid and he was going over there and hunting camps and stuff with his grandpa. So it's cool for me to get to go over to those same spots and get to check out that area and stuff. But I think there's been or at least when I was a kid, I didn't really understand that the land, like the public land rights that you have, and really how those are organized, like how public lands are organized and what you can do on them and sort of how it operates. I didn't really understand the difference between national forest land and BLM land or national Parkland and state Parkland or wilderness areas, National Wildlife Refuge areas, man there's just so many different distinctions of different things and then also just private property so I didn't really have a clear recollection of any of those things. And really a lot of time when it's public land, you can go on it but there's some things you can't do on it like I there may be hunt in some circumstances, like, like a national park, or I think you can't discharge a firearm inside a national park but for specifically permitted events maybe probably national wildlife refuges, I think those hunting opportunities are are limited also though you can still do some things in those areas, I think you have to get permitted and you have to draw a tag for that location I think is what it is. But But yeah, it's kind of interesting sort of learn about that learn how these things go and also finally getting some maps that you can use that you can kind of trust better while you're in the back country I think that's something that's really helped me kind of understand where I can go and what I can do and i don't know i mean, we've had those map books you know, like that, that 50 page or 100 page book of Oregon and you know, every every page is 25 mile map of that area is always super useful, how they kind of grid out everything and show you that you know, the mile by mile marking and the topography of the area, the different little roads and stuff but even those roads, those mapmakers still got things wrong. I remember to go back in like, was it 2004 I think we were out in an area in Southern Oregon near the Nevada border was a Druze reservoir somewhere South a Gearhart mountain and I remember we were on some some little some little road I don't even know if it was if it was a national forest area I think it was just in the in between private and public lands as a kind of jumps back and forth and those pretty remote areas all of it is just remote desert and forest and sagebrush and Juniper but some of it goes into like ranch land, it's more managed and some of it cuts back into BLM land as this as this little roads sort of meander through it but I remember being out there and noticing that the map on the page was just totally different than the map or than the other real world ground truth of where the road went and I saw oh wow yeah, you can't really trust the maps to show you the information that you want to see when you need it other times to you know, you'll see like Oh hey, like it shows there's a road right here. Good deal we'll take that road Well, you know, it shows it's on the map so you cut down there you get on the road and then it's washed out like crazy or it's super bumpy and like and just terrible, right? And but it's the same green roads the same label, the same marking is the road next to it that was graded and, and 13:53 aren't was that paved, right? It's graded gravel, they put more gravel down, I think is what I'm trying to say they've, they've made it an easier going road to to drive on. But then you get those washboard sections out there. I don't know if you guys have been on that where you're driving around in the Forest Service roads and those gravel roads. And I think it's a natural process of erosion that occurs that creates these waves in the material. You know, as I think as a rainwater comes down, it sort of naturally over time generates these, these little ripples. And that's the washboard effect that you get when you're driving. That's also the thing that kind of kicks your car sideways when you're, you're going a little too fast on a gravel road. So I started doing today I think I kicked it pretty hard side before you know like it's pretty loose on the traction and it was starting to tip sideways in my truck. And so I slowed down and threw it into four wheel drive after that, and was able to cruise around out here pretty freely. But yeah, I wanted to talk on this podcast about hanging out in the Fremont National Forest and I just got finished with a huge thunderstorm. came through it just really finished raining a little bit ago we were kind of I think when I arrived here today at this Meadows still a few hours before sunset So I walked around and kind of went along the perimeter of the meadow and then and then I noticed that you know, I mean it's cloudy it's been kind of cloudy today and there's been Thunder heads that have been building up over the location that I've been ever since I kind of came over the past the Cascades had been in like a pretty solid string of, of thunder heads that have sort of coalesced into big mass over the Cascades some of the here over the Fremont National Forest whatever mountains these are that I'm in and and yeah it seems like this section in Eastern Oregon was getting hit with a good Thunder a good summer August thunderstorm today which was kind of fun to sit through and go through it was cool if I got rained on pretty hard earlier when I was driving over. I thought I'd get out here and be a little bit more free of it. But it seemed like that storm kind of drifted over this way and that was sort of drifting north from here. And and yeah, it is a new system, but man, there's just a bunch of lightning that was coming through and huge cracks of thunder. Just big, deep Rambo's. I haven't heard Thunder like that and in years and yours probably you know we're just kind of stays and like hangs and rolls for 10 seconds 15 seconds it seems like you know you just really can't like whoa is Can it really still be just cracking and rumbling and rolling. And, and there was enough activity and if lightning activity that was going on where you'd hear thunder I mean, it was almost like 45 minutes there were there was just a crack and a roll of thunder almost continuously, like it was a it was pretty intense. It's it's, it's really I think one of the more strong lightning storms I've been in in a while. But that's sort of how it goes out here. When you're at these higher elevations. I think I'm floating around up in the 50 or 100 feet or so above sea level. And so it just means I'm up in the mountains where these these thunderstorms get started, you know, they get there, they get there. I think that's where they they'll kind of coalesce over these big mountain tops and then float over in the hot weather. I don't really understand the weather enough to say I know how a thunderstorm starts it doesn't start now. I've just gotten cold enough I'm trying to throw jacket on. Now you got to live through it. I'm really camping. It's been good. But I'm gonna be out here for two nights I think is what I'm going to do and then tomorrow I'll cruise out and I'll try and hit some of these Forest Service roads for a bit. drive around do some exploring mark a couple spots on the map as a as I'm cruising around. I think that'll be that'd be a good time But yeah, I haven't been out here before. I think I've heard of a couple friends that have been out in this area that have done some. I think they did a couple scouting trips for a hunting trip that they were going on in the fall I think this is an area where we're one of my friends goes I think they try and draw a tag for not this area. I think it's a drainage over from here but I think I've heard about this area a couple times from from people talking about it. So yeah, it's cool it's cool spot it was out taking pictures earlier taking some photographs I've been working mostly probably for almost a year and a half now. I've been working a lot with this 17 to 40 millimeter wide angle Canon lens and it's a pretty inexpensive lens and you can get it for like 400 bucks maybe a little less if you're lucky and you get it on a sale time sometimes in the fall as we're kind of ramping down toward 18:33 toward Thanksgiving I think you can get some good deals on it but it's it's sort of in the the the $400 range I think sometimes maybe it's more around five or something but I picked it up a couple years ago when I was starting to do some real estate photography or was working for Airbnb for a while where they had hired me as a photographer to go into these Airbnb plus listings and get a new set of photographs I was interested in kind of learning about how specific they wanted all those this photographs and this this really specific art style and and you know format of it and that was fine. It was interesting to do for a while but but what was cool is that I picked up that lens to get in and do that work. But really after that I've been appreciating how much I can do with that wide angle lens and then you know 40 millimeters isn't way different than 50 millimeters it's certainly different for the effects of portraits and stuff but when I'm out here doing landscape stuff and I'm trying to take pictures of a lot of this stuff is kind of sketch photos to where I'm sort of going around and midday I'm taking some photos of some different things I want some cat photos in my truck and my my little cooler set up in the back here. 19:42 And so all that's been good in addition to that the the Astro photography stuff that I can do with it is pretty cool because it drops down to the 17 millimeters. It's an autofocus lens, it's a sealed lens, it's it's pretty it's it's pretty good in most ways and I've really noticed over time that I'm not as good As absolut have a mandate for me to be shooting at a really wide open f stop you know if I'm shooting at a wide open aperture almost all my photos early on were 1.8 or or 2.0 or two eight or something and I would do that really because I was trying to I was really trying to get because I didn't have very many lenses I was really trying to get as much effect out of that boat Kay out of that soft background as I could so I was really trying to lean into that and get some photos with it and I noticed with my camera and equipment at the time that it just it just looked better. They just did look better when it was at you know f1 eight I think I just said that nifty 50 Nikon 50 millimeter for the longest time that's what I did I did my early trips on and did a lot of my portfolio building stuff on that but but I've got a different 50 millimeter lens with me now I've got it on my film camera in my bag right now which I need to take out too and I'm trying to finish a roll of avatar film it's been on there for a while and I've enjoyed shooting it it's cool it's a it's a new Canon camera to me at least I got it used on kth and spent 35 bucks on it 10 bucks to ship it and it takes a weird battery to it's one of those 90s film cameras it has this weird it almost looks like a battery pack this it's like two so it was almost like two double A's if they were a little fatter but are bonded together in this little plastic pack and then you pop that in there and shoot for a little while I guess and it runs a meter okay so I'm getting by with it but I've noticed the film camera stuff it's it's fun to have an awesome film camera it'd be cool to have a Leica and all the lenses I wanted but a lot of time with that you know the good lenses I have this this new or like canon l glass that I get to shoot through and for film photos and for the variety of images or the variety of lenses i have i can i can do telephoto I can do prime I can do really wide angle all with the modern digital Canon lenses that have you know chips in them to read well that meter well that make contact with or that send information back and forth or at least from the lens to the camera I think xao works that works in the autofocus stuff for the digital camera this is this is autofocus Yeah, it's an autofocus digital camera. It's sending information back it's working Yeah, that makes sense yeah, so it's it's cool like and that's something I didn't really have available to me for a long time you know, I think when I've probably on this podcast if you go way back in the archives I'm talking a lot about film with a Nikon f4 you know i mean that just had autofocus that was the first camera like 88 to get autofocus period. So it's cool to have that in a more flexible way now but what I remember talking about in the past that was that I had like limited options with glass all the time, I didn't really always have the lenses that I would have preferred and so I've kind of made a collection of that now with this canon stuff I got a Canon camera and so I can throw all those lenses on and have that same flexibility that I have with my digital set. But just with this, this film body that I get to shoot a roll through so I kind of save the film stuff for when it's a thing that I want but what I've noticed though for a little while is that I miss a lot of those moments and I ended up just having the the norm you know the regular digital camera with me with a bunch of my other gear. When I've been going out I've been trying to kind of just take the camera with me and then I'll leave the bigger bag back at the truck so that I'm not really carrying as much stuff with me I've also started carrying like when I'm out here in the woods and stuff I'm carrying that binocular harness with me which is kind of cool you can get them in different sizes but it's sort of like if you imagine like a backpack but what they do is they strap on to the front so it's right on your chest. And what you can do is fill is put like a pair of binoculars in there so you can pull them out and then scatter around with your binoculars, do some glasses and then pop them back into your into your harness and then kind of carry on with whatever you want to do but if you leave that empty without the without the binoculars if you have a smaller Camera Rig probably like a mirrorless or a Sony camera you know like one of those Sony A 6000s man if you were a backpacker, and you had a Sony A 6000 and this this front carry 24:16 like binocular pack, you'd be really sad that would be like all the camera bag that you'd need in fact really if I'm thinking about ever doing some like over you know some longer backpacking travel where I just have to pack everything in a way it's gonna be something I'm more conscious of than I think that's really like the way to go is I've kind of been thinking about it a little bit it's like get get a lighter camera. Or I mean it'd be great like carry like a 360 camera you know if you're going up somewhat laser those are almost nothing as it is anyway but but if you're carrying like an SLR or something that you want to try and do some some more controlled photography was and he had something like a an A 6000 from Sony or an a seven, seven or three or whatever it is something that size with a lens attached to it. You know, that could fit in one of these binocular hearts is harnesses and carry kind of round in your front and then you see something you would take it, pop that open right on your chest, pull it right up to your eyes, got straps on it in the harness, pull it right up to your eyes ready to shoot, and you can take photos, or take photos, you know, as quick as you want to. So it's kind of a cool process. If you're out hiking a lot for what I'm doing, I have my binocular harness, but it's got binoculars in it. And I've been kind of going around and trying to do some bird watching stuff while I'm out here and saw cool Hawk that was posted up who's looking at me, that's about all I've seen so far. So coyote the other day, that was cool. I'll talk about that later that but because I had those binoculars in there, and I've been kind of going out on these, these shorter hikes and stuff that I've been trying to go around and like, just kind of watch them stuff or watch land and kind of keep an eye out. But I just had the camera on my longer strap on my side with that 17 to 40 millimeter lens. And that's worked really good. It's been a pretty flexible kit for me to go around and take a bunch of photographs with so it's pretty easy, pretty lightweight to work with. And I can kind of move back and forth between those things strapped around my neck, you know, it's not everything just hanging around my neck with a lanyard. It's all kind of put somewhere or packed in somewhere. So it's been kind of cool. But it was good going out and taking some photos tonight, I was trying to get some of the i didn't i didn't get anything lightning in the camera though the lightning storm kind of passed as soon as it was getting really dark enough to to do like a long exposure kind of thing where I could I could sort of catch something, something spark and otherwise, you know, you got it, you got to beat the lightning bolt with your shattered finger. And that's a pretty tricky task to do. I think that's how they do it, you know, when you get those, you get those like magazine photos back in the day of a powerful lightning bolt striking. I don't know the center of a road or something like that's what they'd show, you know, some kind of power lightning bolt, but the way that they would do that stuff is I think, I think it was like he was dark out, you know, or pretty dark out. And so they'd set the camera up for just a cycle of long exposures. And then they would just kind of let it ride, you know, so they'd have a couple seconds to expose the image to whatever you know would work. And then they just kind of have that rolling so that when when a bolt of lightning did strike, and it would be captured, and you could go through that collection of captured or, you know, how is it that when a lightning bolt would strike the ground, the camera would have already been exposing for a photograph. Because it's just cycling the shutter on a four second exposure, let's say something like that. And so you know, it takes a four second exposure stops, processes for a second takes a four second exposure stops processes for a second. So I think that's how they did some of that stuff where they, they kind of anticipate. Alright, it's been a couple minutes, let's take a frame now. And then it's just going to be an event in the future. So we don't know if it's going to happen or not. We're going to wait for this event in the future when we boom, see a lightning bolt and then that light then exposes the sensor or the film and the camera and then you're left with an image that has that lightning bolt represented in the frame when you're shooting on a tripod or something like that with with like a short cycle, long exposure. And I thought that was pretty cool, but I didn't really get a chance to get all that stuff set up before the storm kind of passed me by I did get a lot of cool handouts, stuff that was that's great of the thunderheads and stuff and really unfortunately just in the location that I'm at a lot of that and I guess maybe for the better but that lightning storm didn't pass right over my head, it was still a little ways away. So I could see the lightning bolts cracking through the trees kind of out in the distance more. A few they stretched across the sky pretty good too. It's just a big old, you know, from from east to west. It was like, you know, big old chunk of boulders crack all the way across the sky was cool. 28:58 So I got photos of the thunderheads, the sunset, the the big field out here. It's cool. It's a nice area. But I was also thinking about some of the other stuff that I want to be doing tomorrow. So I'm out in the Fremont National Forest. I'm going to be heading I think, maybe south from here, and I'm going to try and explore a couple areas that are still open. Or I guess it's all open publicly. This is like a pretty large contiguous section of national forest land here and really, like that's a big part of Oregon overall, right? It's like 53% public lands. It's cool. Yeah, if you look at a map, you'll see the cities and you'll see like the highways and stuff but if you have the right map, it'll show you where the BLM land is and where the different national forests are. And it's cool, this whole area the Northwest is just there's a lot of public land that you get to use and there's a lot of open area that you get to go to and and yeah, now that I've got a good map of the outdoor off road roads, and some of the terrain and stuff with some good notes and I'm able to kind of move around and get out to a lot more places than I had before. So it's been cool the app that I'm using is the Onyx off road app it's I think 2999 a year and so pitch that out picked up this app and then you can download offline these these really detailed off road maps they're supposed to show you all the trails you know even just walking trails, all the roads all of the like the pieces of information you'd need for kind of moving around in the backcountry and really as surprising as it is as remote as a lot of these places are people go yeah you know it's it's also public land is managed by the the forest department forest Forest Service Yeah, I think a lot of this does managed by the Forest Service the BLM stuff managed by the BLM and that's why these roads are as good as they are or maintained and that's why I like when trees are down on these mountain roads you know someone has to go through at the beginning of the year and cut all those out rip them out filling the potholes all that sort of stuff so all these areas are are known about and you know kind of managed in a pretty significant way in fact I think more so to come in the future I think they just announced yesterday or the day before that they've passed the great American outdoors act which I really don't know the first thing about or or what it does or doesn't do or what it puts in or leaves out but I think part of my understanding is that it's supposed to change some of the funding mechanisms that go into supporting the the maintenance of these public lands that are out here across the country but really significantly out here in the western states so it's it's pretty cool I think before that it was like well we should spend you know X amount of money but there's a more important place for that money to go so it wasn't like a guaranteed amount sort of what I understand so if I understand it correctly, there's like 31:56 I think they've said $3 billion a year 32:02 of mandated funding for projects I think here in the back country BLM land Forest Service land and like national wildlife refuges and stuff so pretty cool, but yeah, I think that's gonna well maybe we'll see a change in that I think it's supposed to better fund the operations of BLM and forest service people as they're going through and trying to get these areas ready for for the public to be using more regularly so it's cool, I think it it'll mean a lot over the next few years or what maybe we'll see how it, how it kind of transforms some of the way that these these areas are managed, I think maybe it's more for me and I probably shouldn't even speculate, I'm not sure at all, but it's pretty cool. I'm excited about being out here and doing some camping and stuff dealing with this thunderstorm. I think it's one of those things where by the morning you know it's going to be or at least I was looking at the weather it should be mostly cloudy or partly cloudy, mostly sunny tomorrow for a while so I think that's pretty cool. I'm excited to be hanging out do some cabin stuff, do some podcasting I'm in the back of my truck right now like I was saying it was rain in early after this thunderstorm so I got that canopy on my truck and I'm nice and dry nice and warm. kind of feels like I'm just inside somewhere so it's it's a cool cool rig having a four wheel drive, having the canopy on the back having your staff and your sleeping area just kind of set up back there and I'm ready to go. So I've been having a good time being out here and it's been pretty good. Pretty good trip so far. I so appreciate you guys checking out this podcast from me. I'm gonna do a couple more podcasts while I'm out here on this camping trip and I'll I'll try and try and set up a little backlog of them on my website. I think it'll be a good idea. Now I kind of take the breaks and stuff from it. I'm sure no one no one keeps listening when it when it is there. But hey, if you listen to this end of the podcast, shoot me an email time for the plugs. It's Billy Newman photo.com if you want to check out my website, see some of my photographs, check out more podcasts that I've done, or books that I've tried to put together which is maybe what I'm gonna try and do out here to try and get some photographs for another good book. 34:24 You can check out more information at Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo comm Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support. You can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or if you're more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo 35:03 So I've been checking out the ipfs network. I've been talking about it a few times before here on the podcast. But it stands for interplanetary file system. That's kind of a cool way of sort of creating a distributed hash table. or in our case, it's something where it's like a distributed network instead of having like a server system. So I've been trying to set that up. It's pretty complicated, but you can go to Siberia's and download a program called Orion. And that's like a browser that you can use to upload and then download or you know, send files back and forth over the ipfs network, which is pretty cool. It's kind of interesting. So I downloaded it on a couple of computers here at home and I was trying to use this this key to connect the two of the notes together so you could kind of create like a direct connection in the network. And I was trying to do this with a couple other computers I had around the house to to do some stuff but but yeah, the ipfs stuff is pretty interesting. I'm trying to put up some some media stuff onto that over the last couple days. I've been using this site called the sounds got audio and I'm trying to upload a bunch of mp3 files of my podcasts. And it's just kind of interesting to check it out. But yeah, it's it looks like a lot like SoundCloud or something when you use it, but instead of any of those files existing on a website's server, they exist distributed across the world United States I don't know how far it's really distributed yet. But those files are distributed on different computers so it can be reproduced from from different areas of the network. It's interesting I don't know I'm kind of curious how it works out I'm also using this video program or video a website called d dot tube, I think is what it is is supposed to really just be like a YouTube clone and it works pretty well it's it's not I think got a full resolution and flow that YouTube is but really as it goes, it's it's quite far along for what you would think to deal with it. I've also been checking out bid shoot, which is another sort of YouTube video competitor but they do a lot more with ads and with paid content. And I think that the D tube stuff is it seems like a little more homegrown in some ways when you look at the website but but as I consider it, I think it's you know, it's ad free, it's crypto decentralized, it's really it's interesting like when you log in, you don't really even use your email address or anything like that it's just it's this cryptographic key that you log in with and that's like your account data and if no one has it so if you lose it that's gone I think forever You know, so it's kind of cool check it out you can go to the you page you can go to upload media like you would on YouTube or so that it's a little slower though it seems like that's that's definitely something that I was noticing. I'm trying to make an upload right now. And it's going fine but I think it's a little bit slower than maybe some of the other the other like YouTube or something like that if you're apple in attending up video it'd be more robust as a service This is definitely like something some some piece of the internet that's being made by people like you and me so it's it's kind of cool that it works at all really But yeah, I think these these D tube sites and D sound sites are going to be kind of interesting media players and that players like but just interesting kind of media side features that that I think are kind of interesting as people are starting to maybe consider moving away from centralized services like Facebook and Microsoft and Apple and Amazon and all that so yeah, it's gonna think Google you know, YouTube and Google and all that but but it's cool, try to check out the ipfs stuff and get it connected I was trying to upload some videos that I have on my YouTube page right now and trying to download a bunch of YouTube videos also, I go to the YouTube videos that I have there's there's a couple of different features out there there's like maybe one that you've heard before we put s s before the YouTube domain name and that'll send you over to a website called I think it's like save form or something like that. And then you can you can download sort of a lower resolution version of that. That file which saved me a couple of things I helped me out a couple times it was an audio video of it you can download it, I think it was ad free. That it as a website that kind of you know pushes you to buy stuff a lot but to think of the way the service works, as opposed to trying to check out this thing called the YouTube dash d L which was like a youtube downloader. So I was trying to go through and download some of the videos that I had on YouTube but that I don't really have like the same same clips from on my computer. So it's cool. I don't have to go through and check it out. too, but and was it D sounds distributed sounds distributed audio, it's kind of cool. Check it out. So I'm uploading a video in the background right now my laptop. It's like a screen capture video working in Lightroom. And going through the editing of a photo. So I'm throwing that up there on the two, which is like, 40:21 probably going to take forever to upload, it's kind of a larger, I think it's like more than 10 minutes or something like that's one gigabyte. So it's like a bigger file for that network to take. So I think it takes like a little bit more time. But it's cool, I'm trying it out. And I guess we'll kind of see how it goes. It's also cool, too, I guess you can just you can publish websites to the ipfs hash tables. Also, like if you write like a static HTML site or an HTML CSS site, I guess you can package that and then upload that. And you will have a web link to go to that HTML site, and it will pull up like it was pulled up on the server, which is pretty interesting. I haven't really learned quite enough about it yet. I'm trying to figure it out a little bit more, I want to try and get like some kind of distributed distributed blog website up or you know something where you doing in kind of update it a couple times, I think there's another one called steep shot dot i O. That was this, this photo sharing website that I was checking out, which is kind of cool. It's still all these are still in alpha. I was having a hard time actually like getting stuff to upload when I was using it. So it was kind of interesting, but I think it's you know, it's stuff that it kind of comes and goes as you're sort of an early adopter some of the services. But I'm going to try and try and use steep shot.io to get to continue to do it. So step two, that's another distributed photo sharing site, which is kind of cool uses the, I think I think when you post a photo and post it to the blockchain ledger is still sort of something that's out of my depth, it seems to me, but I think it's kind of cool that you're able to do stuff like that. And yeah, but put stuff up on the web and download it from the web without ever really going through a centralized service. So it's kind of fun stuff. But thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo comm a few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy numina photo.com. Thanks for listening to this episode and the back end. Thank you next time

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And I appreciated this, this day to photograph it because of those high altitude clouds that you see in the photograph with a lot of that dark rich color, and it seems like a lot of I don't know if it's moisture thickness, or density, or just the parts of it were thinner, and there's passing cloud or something like that. But I loved the light that day, it was sort of a vanilla color. At least in the higher part. You see those dark blues down toward the horizon where it seemed like there was a lot more of a heavy storm that was moving in. But it's a cool spot up. I think it's on-off highway 126. You take that to the end and then you come into that road that's going to take you down into sisters right before the hoodoo snowpark but you can go up there and there's a number of spots you can get a good view of Mount Washington really beautiful kind of picturesque peak and especially when it's covered in snow like this, it looks almost like the like mount Paramount, you know the one in the movie, the movie and trail. But it was a really cool spot. It's an interesting mountain and it's a cool spot up there there's really happy to have this photograph and a few of the others in the sequence come out the way that they did that it's cool, I appreciate the kind of tonal color of it and just the sharpness the way that that mountain really kind of has a presence in the frame you really get that with that compression of the big lens 1:47 you can see more of my work at Billy Newman photo comm you can check out some of my photo books on Amazon. I think if you look at that Bitly Newman under the author's section there and see some of the photo books on film on the desert, on surrealism on camping and cool stuff over there. We did like a bunch of traveling and we recorded a bunch of stuff which was pretty cool it was kind of a special project so that's what we're gonna be talking about today. But Marina what kind of special work were we doing? 2:20 It was super cool we were doing some 360 video and photo recording 2:27 and it was really cool yeah it was really interesting doing that I did like a little bit of a podcast talking about the idea 360 video and some of the GoPro fusion stuff but yeah, it was really interesting having the GoPro fusion for for a week we rented it and we went around and we shot like a bunch of footage all over Oregon and a whole lot of different spots have a similar like the natural areas that we've been where we've had like the the just it's probably like the more high profile locations for landscapes and a lot of the areas in Oregon so it was really cool getting to run around and maybe be some of the first people to shoot some high end or higher quality 360 footage in those areas. 3:07 Yeah, I think so definitely. I think there's some of the spots we got to the I don't think I really see many regular photos from 3:13 yeah not many people really go there in the first place. Yeah, and really some of those locations were incredibly beautiful like I was thinking about I think about like sisters rock that we did at the end that evening was just so cool but just the the way that the 360 video virtualizes is really interesting to look at it it's kind of a neat kind of optical effect when you get to look out and you get to kind of turn your head and see just sort of this the field of view that you would see if you were experiencing the place if you're traveling there but it's really fun to get to see especially in certain locations you know where you really get to turn your head and see different aspects to the environment that are going on. Yeah there's something going on 3:52 yeah, it was it's really cool what a great job we the GoPro camera does yeah just with the quality of it looks so real and so beautiful 4:02 yeah I was really interested in that and how it was gonna do but but yeah the GoPro fusion is I think the the newest offering from the GoPro camera company and and you know they have they have the regular you know, two dimensional system still too but but the three 3d six system is really interesting. It's not through sight, it's not 3d, but it's a 360 degree spherical image it's well I was talking about an actual rectilinear image that stitch together from two cameras that record 180 degrees of your field of vision, and then that's brought into the computer and stitched with the special software, the fusion Studio software, and it's really interesting how it works but I think this is really pretty new. If I understood right from from like the the invoice and what I understand about GoPros these cameras really have just come out I think it was it was marked as the the like the innovative product of the year at CES this year. So that back in January Pre announced. And I want you know when some some more now it's interesting, but but I think it has really just come out for release in April now. And then so we're probably some of the first people to even rent it from this company that has it available. So it was cool. Yeah, last couple of weeks of May. And yeah, trying some of the new technology out. But the GoPro fusion is probably the most adept 360 camera that's available for consumer use right now. I think there was the other camera, the ryla, which is a 360 degree camera that also has some of the video gimbal stuff that the GoPro has. But really, I think the GoPro is higher end. And there's, it seems like, every time I've not used the GoPro system, I've had a little bit more trouble, but I was really impressed with that works, that's really the only 360 system I've used. There's also the theta camera built by Rico, that is 4k video. And that's a little bit less expensive. I think that's been out for a couple years. But um, but I don't think that's the gimbal system, you missed the stepping kind of image stabilization. 6:01 Man, that made a huge difference for videos, we were able to watch them, I guess you can preview them on your phone with an app. Yeah, just from directly from the camera. And it looks awesome, but you can see the motion for the stepping and stuff a little bit. And it's cool when you process it through your computer. And and see the the effects of everything, 6:28 the full stabilization is really impressive. And it really makes it possible to have like a walking or moving video and 360. And I think I think otherwise given given like the change in access that would happen. You know, like as the camera moves through the 3d field and Z axis changes, or you kind of spin the camera a little bit, then it kind of throws the rest of the axis off is how it would be without stabilization. But with stabilization, you really virtualized in that location, and you kind of independent from the movement of the camera, which is what's really amazing about the way that it's able to do some of the recording which really gives you a much more immersive feel when you're watching the video because you can move the camera independent of any kind of jerky motion that the camera recording had in it, which really makes possible for for videos that are moving I think otherwise. It would almost be nauseating to have video that was moving unless it was on some other kind of gimbal system. Yeah, that's why probably you've really seen only only like kind of standstill videos up into this point that are related to 360 video. And what's really cool about the GoPro 360 is that it really provides you so much opportunity to do moving videos that look really good in this 360 immersive environment in 5.2k. So like when we're compressing down to 4k, it's cool, but oh my goodness, does it take forever on this laptop? 7:51 Yeah, does rendering take so long? 7:54 Yeah, so we had to go in overnight. So it's not a bad I have a MacBook Pro it's like it's a couple years old now but there's really not I mean, there's a few improvements in the MacBook Pro line but not that many in that would have had other problems if I had upgraded anyway, but this one isn't like the top of the line by any means it's capable, but the graphics card I guess in a laptop really crushes through fine in HD video and anything else that I've thrown at it to do editing your final cut, it's amazingly fast compared to the video editing system I would have had like in high school or college or something like that. So I'm impressed with what I can do but I upgraded the final upgraded Final Cut 10.4 which is the version that can handle some of the 360 footage. I also installed the GoPro fusion studio app and really it's the process of stitching the video together that takes the longest time so they're enormous files to start with I think just over the weekend we recorded like 200 gigabytes of files that we put into the onto the drive. Yeah, it was a huge amount of matter. Yeah. And then so those have that's just before anything's done with it. So I guess it's you know, it's a higher quality video but that then has to be stitched together into an even larger file and then that has to be brought into your editor and then compressed or edited or rendered together so all that takes a ton of time and so but rendering the stitching is what seems to take the longest amount of time and if I guess we had to go on all night, I think we got in minutes let's say maybe six minutes of video for about eight hours of rendering something like that but it's a lot of rendering time just for this little computer and you can see it going I have this this program this like I stat monitor program that shows you like what some of your system components are running out but it's just kind of paying my my graphics system on this laptop and so I hear that you really have to have a ton of horse better power to get through a lot of the 360 video maybe that some of this stuff you would win here too but I have to you have to really that's really where having like a higher capability computers is where you see an advantage of doing this level of rendering. 9:59 Yeah, my laptop can't even handle what we're trying to do you need 10:03 minimum eight gigabytes of RAM. And then it helps to have an SSD so you can pull the video through faster, something like that. And then you have to have a dedicated graphics card. I believe in the system and it any gotcha even with the a pretty modern system. It is extremely slow versus, you know, a lot of other kind of editing rendering system that exists right now. But I think it's like, one frame a second. So if you think of like, videos, 30 frames a second. I think it's rendering one frame out a second one, I guess 360 degree spherical frame, or, you know, Echo rectilinear that were that we were learning a little bit about. So after it stitches it together and makes that echo rectilinear image of the to 180s sort of mapped onto our rectangle. Really interesting as doing it. It's fascinating to go through all this stuff. It's really fun to working with the GoPro camera stuff. But so yeah, this weekend, we did like a bunch of travel stuff to try and produce some videos and photos and kind of make like a portfolio for some of our 360 stuff. So we traveled, where was the first place we went, we went to like, say Haley falls. 11:10 Yeah. It's cool. It's beautiful. It was our second time being there. But our first time was just a few days before that. So it was a nice spot. test, which is cool. Yeah. It's long, the Mackenzie River. And it's a really beautiful place. It's waterfall just right off the trail. And it's cool, because you can climb down from the trail. There's a kind of self made trail from I think people. Yeah, fourth down there. Yeah. But it's really cool, just a big waterfall. And it kind of goes into a river that drops off and to another little tiny waterfall. I don't know, if you count as waterfall. It's a waterfall. 11:54 It's, it was really cool. I like I like the way that that looked. And it was interesting kind of learning from that, that's kind of a composition experience for 360 video, or for making a 360 image is sort of being in the bowl of the action, right seems to be kind of an interesting way to produce it, where you have something to look at, let's say if you're mapping it onto the face of a clock, you have something to look at at your 12 o'clock, but also something to look at your six o'clock so that there's a reason to sort of, to sort of pan and move the camera in the frame of the field around. 12:25 Yeah, it's a 360 photo or video. So the point is that you look in every direction. Yeah, and you really want to use it for that. Yeah, there has to be something interesting. 12:36 Yeah, that was interesting about looking at a lot of the let's say the viewpoints that I set up for, let's say that you know, the perspective that would be taken for a photograph, let's say that and those really don't seem to work very well for composing these 360 images. So I guess that's kind of the tip of the thing that I learned pretty quickly is when trying to put it together like you can't be back up against the trail or back up against the road or something like that to kind of view out toward whatever the subject is, let's say that waterfall in this case, because really what you experienced most of is 180 degrees of just to trail and dirt and trees and things that aren't really that that interesting visually to look at. So it's interesting trying to try to mediate all of those different angles that you could look at in a 360 degree view, which is where you really have to think about the method in which you're composing the image a lot to put yourself in a position where there's something pretty at all angles of view that you have isn't it difficult to think you know like in photography you just have to try and worry about getting getting just that little bit to look good in composition but in 360 you have to think about every every field of every part of the field of view. 13:43 Yeah is a fun and interesting additional thing to think about with composing something that's like visual media 13:51 It is really fun but it's a challenge or it's not as interesting a different type of perspective of trying to think of something that looks good it was something that while I was like looking at 360 video a lot of people don't seem to notice that part of it yet. 14:06 Right they'll they'll be like a background that's just a driveway or parking lot. 14:11 Yeah, yeah something like that where we're so that's what I'm seeing like some of the successful the successful arms of 360 video are bringing you into an immersion of it and of course you know of course that's what you do but so it was interesting going through and trying to produce some of that in this way but even with like some of the the company videos that I did like trying to walk through and do like a tour of a retail location that was kind of interesting to do where you know, instead of like maybe skirting the side of the building or something but you just kind of walk right through but it's interesting where you can you can have the view 360 degrees around you. So you really trying to like build an environment where you get to see the perspective is cool. So we went to the Hayley files, we walked the trail around there, which is a place also where I learned the same lesson about composition where the trail is beautiful, out toward the river or out toward a lot bangles. But then the trail is also not that is also kind of just a lot of work, a lot of broken pieces, a lot of a lot of wood and branches and things that aren't really the forest and its beauty. So it's interesting to see that, 15:11 yeah, when you're using it, you really do notice pretty quickly, what is not visually interesting or attractive, 15:18 when you just you see all the places around you, you would not take a picture of, yeah, well, it wouldn't take a picture of that, or that or that or that. That's all in the picture now. So. So it's interesting to kind of consider that sort of stuff. But that's really the the challenge, I guess, in trying to do storytelling, or composition in photography for 360. But it's, it's also possible to like right, like what we were saying we found is getting to that center position, like an area with a creek and a waterfall is really kind of naturally conducive to being compositionally interesting. For some type of 360 VR content we have semi static but comprehensible landscape that you're surrounded by. And then a waterfall it's sort of a natural position where you're gonna have a geographical bowl, where you're sort of set in with it and it's also going to be green around all of your angles, you know, it's blowing water up and it's sort of making everything green. And then you have like the creek that flows out from that that's another piece of motion that you get to look at. So all of this kind of pieces sort of work together where you can look up and see like the forest and stuff around you. So that was a really pretty way to shoot that and it's a really interesting way to kind of look at and visualize what was there and it's fun to see you know, after we do like well this is like this is like what it was when I say so it's really fun. But yeah, I like doing the hike stuff along the river there too. I also like the photos that we got from it there. I was talking about that some of the images just still images that we took Yeah, of course Yeah, there's beautiful areas so just you know, obviously like still liking to take pictures. It was really fun to take photos. Yeah, well you know, the spring snow melt is so crystal clear right now that the water just looks blue. Light luminous blue too. It's cool. 17:03 Yeah, it was really beautiful. Water was really blue and it was so clear. You could see all of the rocks and a lot of the rocks had like moss on them I guess it was green underneath the blue water It was really pretty 17:16 Yeah. Yeah, that was a beautiful spot. So that part of the McKenzie has always been really interesting. And I think they're on the McKenzie on and then I think it's What is it? What is it the maybe the calapooia the citm I don't know the one that goes out from like, like Corvallis, Albany That one's really nice too. Or you know, it's like really mossy and like it just looks foresty that sort of thing looks kinda like a rain forest that most than some of the spots that but yeah, it's beautiful about getting up there. So we traveled the day we went up kind of in the cascade area, route to a bunch of spots. You can check out more information that Billy Newman photo comm you can go to Billy Newman photo.com Ford slash support. If you want to help me out and participate in the value for value model that we're running this podcast with. If you receive some value out of some of the stuff that I was talking about, you're welcome to help me out and send some value my way through the portal at Billy Newman photo comm forward slash support. You can also find more information there about Patreon and the way that I use it if you're interested or feel more comfortable using Patreon that's patreon.com forward slash Billy Newman photo. For the longest time I was shooting with Nikon cameras, and I'd always really liked doing that but most of that was always kind of maybe constrained by budget for I think I started with a Nikon D 40 back in 2007 is when I bought it the camera probably came out earlier than that I really enjoyed kind of picking up and that was like an entry level DSLR at the time, and now it's like really antiquated I sold that off now years ago and kind of moved it over into other other camera equipment over time. But that's what I got while I was in college is a really good camera for me to learn on and kind of learn some of the fundamentals of working with a digital camera and I had a lot of fun working with that made it like a ton of photographs with it then pretty soon after that. I tried to switch over to something that was more of a professional body when I was trying to take some of the work that I was doing a little more seriously and when I was trying to get hired as a photographer to do really even just student projects at the time I was trying to get a couple extra lenses and I was trying to get a couple stronger features in the in the camera body that I was using. So at the time I think it was in like 2008 2009 actually I think it was in 2009 I bought my first like professional body that Nikon D two H and at that time, that was already a pretty antiquated camera. I think in 2009 it probably came out in 2003 I think is what it was. So it's already like a pretty big gap in time. There. There's been at that time especially in that decade there's just so much advancement in the way that sensors worked in the way that the scene I wasn't even a CMOS there was like an elb caste is like an lb ca St. Named sensor I don't even know what that is but it was different than the CMR system that would be in a lot of cameras I think that maybe we probably find now or you know like the sensor piece in the back and it wasn't full frame either it was in even the professional and it wasn't full frame it was still like that crop sensor that Nikon had. So it was good for for a long time and I was really happy to use it and happy to kind of learn on that camera they had a ton of features and really I probably go back to that that full professional body of Nikon if if I was just a big any camera that I wanted to use I think like a Nikon D five would be an amazing camera to work with. But at the time what I was trying to do was get a job at a newspaper like the student newspaper when I was going to college and to try and get some jobs or you know trying to get get some activity to try and go and take different photographs in different locations. And that job was great it was cool working for the student newspaper because you get to go to different locations and try and make some interesting photo out of something that's probably not very interesting. It's normally like a person talking to a to a classroom with beige walls and low level ceiling light or something like that every once in a while you get to go to a football game or something like that so that you don't really have the opportunity to go to normally that was really fun that was interesting and it provided me a lot of opportunities to do some some different you know work with different lenses work with different lighting and some sort of you know interesting and dynamic subject matter but a lot of the time like I mentioned it was like I think I had to go photograph that they were removing pipes from a student building on some side of campus I hadn't been to before so it was it was the I was supposed to take a photograph of the absence of pipes didn't really 21:54 make a lot of sense it wasn't really a very interesting photo and there was no people or story around it so it's you know it's always something like that or it seemed to be often something like that. That was just like had almost no subject to take a photograph so it was a challenge in that way. But it was really fun when you got to do something cool so that's that's why I bought that Nikon D two H and then to a company that I think I tried to save up some money in college that was hard for me to do I tried to save up I think like $150 or something like that to buy the 50 millimeter one eight lens that was like the version of nifty 50 that they have over on the Nikon side It was great to use and and that that kit there that the D to H and the the 50 millimeter was what I use to take a bunch of photographs for the next many years is a great kit of a camera to have it worked really well to take I think like a bunch of the cool landscape stuff that he did on the first couple trips they did were just both with that setup. So I bought that I bought that Nikon D to h USD on eBay when I made that purchase of it. And I use that camera probably for the longest amount of time. Like I think I used that up until like around 2013 or so when I was kind of trying to shift away from it. And that's when I was getting into more film photography stuff at that time I actually switched over to a an even or just a different camera a Nikon n 80 film camera because I was I was doing a ton of stuff with with film and film roles at the time. And then I bought a Nikon f4 s another film body camera that was from like the 90s I think is when that one was manufactured. I think it first came out in like 1988 that I've probably mentioned a couple times. Thanks a lot for checking out this episode of The Billy Newman photo podcast. Hope you guys check out some stuff on Billy Newman photo.com few new things up there some stuff on the homepage, some good links to other other outbound sources, some links to books and links to some podcasts. Like this. blog posts are pretty cool. Yeah, check it out at Billy new minnesota.com. Thanks a lot for listening to this episode and the backend.