#18 - Steve Browne: HR Without Boundaries: Leading People First over Policy

#20 - Bethany Muzzi: The Metrics That Matter: Connecting Employee Turnover to Hard Business Outcomes

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Bethany Muzzi, an HR professional who built her leadership foundation in the high-stakes healthcare environment during COVID-19 before transitioning into the fast-paced construction industry. Bethany shares her "sink or swim" lessons and explores how human resources acts as a universal anchor across vastly different sectors. The conversation unpacks the distinct tactical shift required when recruiting frontline and blue-collar talent compared to corporate white-collar roles. Bethany explains why chasing candidates no longer works and how companies must instead transform their employer brand into a talent magnet. From replacing generic internal point systems with high-quality, branded apparel that field workers actually want, to pivoting away from transactional referral bonuses that incentivize bad hires, Bethany reveals what authentic, employee-driven engagement looks like in practice. Listeners will also discover actionable advice on how HR practitioners can advocate for themselves internally and transition from admin support to invaluable strategic operators. Bethany discusses leveraging critical business metrics like turnover to prove HR's impact on financial outcomes, managing the chaotic staffing lifecycles of project-based bidding, and using out-of-the-box creativity to stand out in competitive job markets. Bethany Muzzi is an accomplished human resources leader with a background in communications, marketing, healthcare administration, and industrial personnel management. She currently drives strategic HR, recruitment initiatives, and culture development in the construction sector. You can connect with Bethany directly via email at bmuzzi@rcconst.net or locate her professional profile on LinkedIn. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

#19 - Kara Kelley: Building Sustainable Revenue: Why HR Solopreneurs Can’t Go It Alone

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King connects with Kara Kelley, a fractional HR business partner, entrepreneur, and founder of the HR Consultants Mastermind Community. Kara shares her journey of launching her firm, Clinical HR, in the medical and dental compliance space right at the onset of the pandemic, navigating the chaotic waves of early COVID-19 compliance mandates, and scaling her business into a highly visible industry authority. The conversation breaks down the fundamental mistakes new HR professionals make when transitioning from corporate roles into independent consulting. Kara offers a masterclass in the power of "niching down," explaining why trying to serve every small business ultimately dilutes your message. She provides an insider perspective on escaping traditional time-for-money pricing traps, shifting instead toward value-based models that reflect the peace of mind and tangible financial risk mitigation a specialized advisor delivers. Listeners will learn what it truly means to step out from behind the laptop and evolve from a "hidden helper" into a "visible authority" through highly intentional, industry-focused networking. Kara shares practical mindset shifts for moving past layers of imposter syndrome, using a "face-it-till-you-make-it" framework built on continuous execution and pipeline consistency. Finally, she delivers a piece of brutally honest advice for anyone aspiring to build a sustainable, recurring-revenue practice: you cannot do it alone, and finding a dedicated, objective peer community is your ultimate key to long-term success. Kara Kelley is a seasoned fractional HR consultant, business advisor, and speaker specializing in culture and compliance advisory within the healthcare sector, particularly dentistry. Passionate about empowering fellow practitioners, she is the founder of the HR Consultants Mastermind Community, which supports over 3,500 aspiring and independent consultants globally. You can connect with Kara directly via email at kara@clinicalhr.com or join her thriving professional network by searching for the HR Consultants Mastermind on Facebook and LinkedIn. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

#18 - Steve Browne: HR Without Boundaries: Leading People First over Policy

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Steve Browne, a 40-year human resources veteran, to explore the profound evolution of the profession from the restrictive, top-down days of "Personnel" to modern organizational design. Steve reflects on his expansive career and shares why he is presenting on "HR Without Boundaries" and "The Heart of HR" at the upcoming SHRM conference. The conversation dives deep into how forward-thinking companies are shifting from enforcing rigid manuals to applying purposeful, directional structures. Steve discusses his unique approach at his company, where they have completely bypassed high-potential ratings, decoupled compensation from traditional performance management, and eliminated departmental silos in favor of highly collaborative "areas of work." Listeners will also gain tactical insights into navigating technology advancements like AI. Rather than building policies out of fear or managing to the exceptions, Steve explains how leveraging tech can actively engage a modern workforce, including the youngest generations. Finally, Steve delivers a powerful reminder for anyone looking to step into a leadership role: get away from your desk, get out with your staff, and treat every workplace challenge as a human situation first. Steve Browne is a globally recognized HR leader, speaker, author, and practitioner with four decades of experience in the profession. Known for his hands-on, people-centric philosophy, he is a passionate advocate for lifting others up and driving connective communities across the global HR landscape. You can find and connect with Steve across all major social platforms, including LinkedIn, X (Twitter), and BlueSky. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

#17 - Elles Skony: Building Community and Confidence in HR Entrepreneurship

In this episode of HRHR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Elles Skony, a dynamic leader in the HR space, to explore the journey of transitioning from in-house HR leadership to entrepreneurship. Elles, who has a rich background in high-growth startups, shares her experience of founding her own business and creating Fractional People People, a thriving community for HR entrepreneurs. Listeners will gain insights into the challenges and triumphs of becoming an HR entrepreneur, as Elles discusses the importance of networking, building confidence, and pricing services correctly. She also delves into the creation of a supportive community for HR professionals, emphasizing the value of peer support and shared experiences in overcoming the hurdles of entrepreneurship. Join us as we uncover the nuances of starting a business in the HR field, learn how to navigate the tricky waters of client acquisition, and discover the strategies Elles employs to maintain a thriving business while nurturing a vibrant community of like-minded professionals. Hosted by Jocelyn King, founder and CEO of VirgilHR. VirgilHR is an HR compliance software designed by practitioners to deliver automated, instant compliance answers regarding federal, state, and local employment laws. To discover how to shield your organization from legal risk while freeing your team up for strategic initiatives, visit ⁠www.virgilhr.com⁠ [https://www.virgilhr.com/] and follow Jocelyn on LinkedIn. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]

#16 - Junell Venord: Building HR Communities and Effective Communication

In this episode of HRHR, host Jocelyn King engages in a thought-provoking conversation with Junell Venord, a seasoned HR professional and Senior Director at the Washington Area Community Investment Fund. Junell shares her unique journey through various industries, from teaching to HR leadership, and how these experiences have shaped her approach to building strong HR communities. Listeners will gain valuable insights into the importance of leveraging HR communities like D.C. SHRM for support and professional development. Junell emphasizes the need for HR professionals to connect with peers to navigate workplace challenges, particularly during times of organizational stress, such as layoffs. She also shares practical advice on how to avoid common pitfalls when presenting to executives, highlighting the importance of tailoring messages to meet the audience's needs. Join us as we explore the critical role of community in HR, discuss the nuances of effective communication, and learn from Junell's experience in fostering collaboration and mentorship among HR professionals. Whether you're an HR leader or just starting in the field, this episode offers actionable takeaways to enhance your HR practice. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices [https://megaphone.fm/adchoices]