Episode 23 - Paula Nacif on Unrestrictive Approaches to Health, the Power of Nature, and Finding Wholeness

Episode 25 - Gerard Hawley on the Taoist Principle, Wu Wei, and the Rich Tension between Martial Roots and Meditative Qualities

In this episode, Megan sits down with Gerard Hawley — Tai Chi practitioner, teacher, and founder of a thriving school of around 100 students — to explore a practice that is as much a philosophy as it is a physical discipline. Gerard shares how Tai Chi began as a personal tool for managing stress before growing into a deeply fulfilling teaching career spanning six years, and he takes us into the technical and spiritual layers that make Tai Chi unlike any other movement practice. At the heart of the conversation are two powerful concepts: Wu Wei — the Taoist principle of going with the flow rather than forcing — and No Mind, the idea of responding instinctively and without overthinking, whether in martial practice or everyday life. Together, Megan and Gerard unpack the balance between Tai Chi's martial roots and its meditative qualities, and why that tension is actually what makes the practice so rich. Gerard reflects on what it means to teach a discipline that asks students to move softly while remaining deeply connected — and how that same principle applies to navigating life's challenges. He also shares his vision for growing awareness of Tai Chi across the UK, collaborating with other experienced practitioners, and bringing this ancient art to more people, including those with health challenges who might not immediately see themselves as Tai Chi students.

Episode 24 - Steph Mattiussi Holisitic Approach to Movement and Health, Conditioning the Body versus Caring for it, and Treating the Human First

In this episode, Megan sits down with Stephanie Mattiussi — dance scientist, educator, and head of dance science and health at London Contemporary Dance School — for a conversation that feels both personal and deeply professional. Stephanie traces her journey from early ballet and tap training through to discovering dance science at university, sharing how combining her love of movement with her curiosity for science opened up a whole new path. Recording just ten days before her due date, she also reflects openly on how her movement practice has shifted during pregnancy, bringing a refreshing honesty to what it means to listen to your body in different seasons of life. Together, Megan and Stephanie explore what a truly holistic approach to movement and health looks like — both for the students Stephanie supports and for herself. They discuss the balance between conditioning and caring for the body, the importance of treating people as humans first, and how community and connection can transform the way we relate to physical practice. Stephanie also shares her strategies for staying grounded when energy is low, reminding us that rest and boundaries are just as much a part of a healthy practice as movement itself.

Episode 23 - Paula Nacif on Unrestrictive Approaches to Health, the Power of Nature, and Finding Wholeness

In this episode, Megan sits down with Paula Nacif — massage therapist, herbalist, and naturopath — to talk about her journey from the arts world into holistic health. Paula opens up honestly about how her own movement practice took a back seat when she opened her studio, and shares her philosophy that well-being doesn't need to be restrictive or overwhelming — it can start with something as simple as a breath. She also reflects on how her background in ballet and working with dancers shaped the way she thinks about body care and longevity in physical careers. Paula walks us through her daily rhythm as a practitioner, from limiting herself to four clients a day to weaving in morning walks and quiet time with nature. She shares the story of a pilgrimage she took with her mother along the Camino de Santiago, and how that journey taught her to slow down and let go of self-limiting beliefs. At the heart of it all, Paula's message is about helping people find wholeness — in their bodies, their routines, and their lives.

Welcome to Conversations for the Moving Self

If you're new here, start with this one. Conversations for the Moving Self is a podcast and community for movement and wellbeing practitioners navigating what it really means to build a sustainable life in this career. In this intro episode, host Megan shares why she created this space, what you can expect, and where she's at right now — because she's not coming to you from the other side of it. She's in it too. You're not alone in this. Welcome.

Episode 22 - BONUS Episode with Host, Megan Bader on Caring for the Human, Injury, and Being Informed by Different Movement Practices

Our host, Megan Bader, jumps on a special bonus episode today to answer some of the questions she normally asks her guests as well as unpacks overcoming injury and how it can shape your journey as a movement artist, and does not have to be the end of the story.