The way of the forest: Supporting ecosystems with a nature-inspired lens | Episode 13

Reimagining the future through systems change | Episode 16

What happens after the systems map is complete? An increasing number of organizations understand the value of engaging with complexity, but the challenge comes when, after doing systems analysis, people fall back into the usual plan-control-implement-measure approach. Treating complexity as if it were just... "complicated". In this episode, Jeff Mohr speaks with Viliana Dzhartova, co-founder of ReImagined Futures, about what it truly takes to move from systems analysis to systems change. They unpack why so many well-intentioned efforts get pulled back into linear thinking, and how leaders, teams, and institutions can begin to work in more adaptive, relational ways. Tune in to learn more about: - The role of systems mapping and stakeholder engagement in systems change - Integrating long-term and intergenerational thinking into strategy and decision-making - Core values and inner work for effective systemic transformation If you’re trying to move beyond short-term fixes and into deeper, lasting change, this conversation will challenge the way you think about strategy, impact, and the future. Mentioned in this episode: - ReImagined Futures [https://www.reimaginedfutures.org/] - European Agrifood Systems Map [https://reimagined-futures.kumu.io/european-agrifood-systems-map?token=nGP2XIJCVU5Haqlq] - Chronicity and dependency in Bages, Catalonia [https://reimagined-futures.kumu.io/systems-map-on-chronicity-and-dependency-in-bages] - Catalonia Food System Map [https://reimagined-futures.kumu.io/food-systems-map-of-catalonia]

The systems behind the symptoms | Episode 15

What if the real problem isn’t what we think it is? When simple solutions don’t actually move the needle, it’s often a sign we’re treating symptoms, not systems. In this episode, Jeff Mohr talks with Matt Healey, founder of First Person Consulting, about how systems thinking and evaluation can help us move beyond surface-level problems. They explore: * The difference between program evaluation and systems evaluation * Moving from problems to possibilities * Monitoring system health and finding leverage points * How to apply the System Effects approach in projects * Bridging the gap between insights and meaningful action Whether you’re designing programs, mapping systems, evaluating impact, or trying to create lasting change, this conversation is packed with insights you can use! Subscribe to the In Too Deep Podcast or read the full transcript on the In Too Deep blog [https://blog.kumu.io/podcast-the-systems-behind-the-symptoms-ab3588945fcb]. Mentioned in this episode:  * First Person Consulting [https://fpconsulting.com.au/]  * Problems to Possibilities Canvas [https://www.fpconsulting.com.au/uploads/2/4/9/6/24962042/problems_to_possibilities_canvas.pdf] * System Effects [https://systemeffects.com/#/] * Resources on Lawyer Wellbeing: System Effects Report [https://lsbc.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-04/Systems%20Theory%20of%20Change%20for%20Lawyer%20Wellbeing%20-%20FINAL.pdf], Journal Paper [https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1035719X251358851] & Theory of Change Model [https://lsbc.vic.gov.au/lawyers/practising-law/lawyer-wellbeing/lawyer-wellbeing-research-and-projects/lawyer-wellbeing]

Creating new patterns for learning and leading | Episode 14

What patterns are shaping how we learn, lead, and live, and how might we begin to shift them? In this week’s episode, we’re joined by Jessica Kiessel from (Re)Patterning Lab. Jessica stewards spaces and builds infrastructure to support the learning, creativity, and shapeshifting needed to live into the patterns we hope to see in the world, both for individuals as well as inside organizations. Tune in to explore more around: * Seeing and making patterns * Building containers for learning * Poking at our perspectives * Creating conditions for curiosity If you're curious about reimagining leadership, learning environments, and the patterns that shape our lives, this episode is for you! Subscribe to the In Too Deep Podcast or read the full transcript on the In Too Deep blog [https://blog.kumu.io/podcast-creating-new-patterns-for-learning-and-leading-d5d1506acdac]. Want to go deeper? To explore art and writing from a growing community of contributors exploring pattern making in their every day lives, visit www.patternmaking.org [http://www.patternmaking.org/]. To learn more about Jessica's organizational patterning work, visit www.repatterninglabs.org [http://www.repatterninglabs.org/] . In particular, we recommend you explore the beta version of common organizational patterns [https://www.repatterninglabs.org/orgpatterns], an entry point for folks working in dominant culture organizations to work with patterns. If you are interested in collaborating or engaging with Jessica, reach out through either site or contact her on LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jrkiessel/].

The way of the forest: Supporting ecosystems with a nature-inspired lens | Episode 13

In this episode we’re joined by Santiago Bunce, founder of Via Bosque, a company that helps clients achieve transformative change by integrating leadership tools with nature-inspired principles. Santiago shares his unique perspective on building ecosystems and how it can be applied across different contexts to create positive, lasting change. Tune in for a deep dive into: * Designing ecosystems through a nature-inspired lens * Approaching systems thinking in different cultural contexts * Evolving from "good vs bad" to a mindset of "good, better, best" If you're passionate about sustainability, innovation, and the interconnectedness of our world, this episode is for you. Subscribe to the In Too Deep Podcast to stay updated on future episodes of meaningful conversations about tackling tough problems.

Uncovering networks & the future of AI in research | Episode 12

After a long hiatus, we're excited to return and bring you the voices of those tackling tough problems! In this episode, Kumu Founder and CEO Jeff Mohr sits down with Cassandra Gould van Praag, Senior Community Manager at The Alan Turing Institute. Cassandra plays a key role in fostering and growing a dynamic community of researchers, practitioners, and enthusiasts. She recently launched a captivating Kumu project that visualizes her community and is now sharing with us what she learned from the process. Let's dive in! Read the full transcript on the In Too Deep blog [https://blog.kumu.io/podcast-uncovering-networks-the-future-of-ai-in-research-bffa92cc8648] This podcast was recorded on June 11th, 2024. Opinions expressed by Dr Gould van Praag are solely her own and do not express the views or opinions of The Alan Turing Institute. For more information, please visit The Alan Turing Institute website [https://www.turing.ac.uk/] for updates on their organization.