Iowa Down Ballot with Dave Price 6/13/26

Iowa Down Ballot with Dave Price 6/13/26

Zach Lahn named state rep Derek Wulf as his running mate, a cattle farmer and early Trump endorser, likely a move to shore up MAGA support after Lahn didn’t get Trump’s endorsement in the primary. Trump has since walked that back publicly, saying he got “bad info.” Rob Sand went with Dave Muhlbauer, a rural Democrat who’s held office in deep-red Crawford County. The pick sends a clear message that Sand isn’t writing off small-town Iowa. Both tickets are now set, several Libertarian candidates are fighting ballot challenges on paperwork technicalities, and debate talks are underway. Laura called this the most exciting Iowa election cycle she’s ever covered. Hard to disagree. Thanks for subscribing, we continue to grow! We reached 30k total audio downloads since we launched this show a little over a year ago. If you would like to support the shows production costs, please hit the subscribe button above. If you’d like to make a one-time donation please click the button below. Auto-generated transcript below: Get full access to Iowa Down Ballot at iowawriterscollaborative.substack.com/subscribe [https://iowawriterscollaborative.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

Iowa Down Ballot with Dave Price 6/6/26

Two big results: Zach Lahn edged out Randy Feenstra in the Republican gubernatorial primary — a surprise upset fueled by a dominant Polk County performance and a late push from conservative commentator Steve Deace. On the Democratic side, Josh Turek won the U.S. Senate primary more comfortably than expected. Looking ahead, we talked about why Lahn is a trickier general election opponent for Rob Sand than Feenstra would have been — he’s a change candidate with no voting record to attack. With both the governor’s race and U.S. Senate seat open simultaneously for the first time in 58 years, Iowa’s general election is set to grab A LOT of attention. Thanks so much to those of you that have become paid subscribers or made a one time donation. Please click the subscribe button above or one-time donation button below to pitch in! Also, we reached #70 on Rising U.S. Politics on Substack this week. We wouldn’t have been there without your support. THANK YOU! Auto-generated transcript below: 00:00:17.360 --> 00:00:34.689 Dave Price: Welcome, everybody, to the Iowa Down Ballot podcast, the post-primary election edition. I’m Dave Price, joined by Kathie Obradovich and Laura Belin. Hello to both of you as we begin this first weekend past the primary. How are you? 3 00:00:35.230 --> 00:00:36.650 Kathie Obradovich: Fabulous. 4 00:00:36.650 --> 00:00:39.090 Laura Belin: I’m recovering. 5 00:00:39.090 --> 00:00:40.039 Dave Price: We survived. 6 00:00:40.040 --> 00:00:40.920 Laura Belin: Nights, yes. 7 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:43.030 Dave Price: Yeah, but 8 00:00:43.170 --> 00:00:52.269 Dave Price: All in all, to have primary night wrapped up by the time everything essentially was, was not bad. Kathie, what’s your headline? 9 00:00:53.330 --> 00:01:09.919 Kathie Obradovich: So, couple of surprises. One, I thought that this U.S. Senate Democratic primary, would be a lot closer than it was. It caught us off guard a little bit when AP called the race, excuse me, for Josh Turek. 10 00:01:10.070 --> 00:01:34.609 Kathie Obradovich: as early as they did, we thought it would go, go later and be a lot closer. And then secondly, you know, I think we saw that this could have been a possibility of Zach Lane edging out, Randy Feenster for the nomination. I mean, we saw the trend lines happening there. But again, you know, I sort of thought. 11 00:01:34.690 --> 00:01:58.689 Kathie Obradovich: you know, we were going to be going till 2AM on this race, or, you know, the potential for it to go to convention, and, the fact that, here’s the surprise, that Feenstra conceded, really, at the… at the… he was less than a percentage point behind Lane, and he conceded even before AP called the race. So, that surprised me as well. 12 00:01:59.650 --> 00:02:00.890 Dave Price: Laura, what was your headline? 13 00:02:02.310 --> 00:02:13.090 Laura Belin: Oh, I think the lane surge. I was kind of feeling the lane-mentum. I went to his rally in Ankeny on Sunday, and on Tuesday night, I started the evening at the Iowa Democratic Party’s 14 00:02:13.090 --> 00:02:36.220 Laura Belin: election night event, but when I saw the Polk County number come in really big for Zach Lahn, he had a margin of about 2,500 votes from Polk County, and Polk County tends to be one of the first to report, I scooted over to West Des Moines to go to the Lahn Victory Watch, because even though it was tight, he was hanging in there. I don’t think he ever gave up the lead at any point when they were 15 00:02:36.220 --> 00:02:41.810 Laura Belin: adding batches of votes. So, but my biggest surprise was not that Lahn won the primary, but 16 00:02:41.810 --> 00:02:52.570 Laura Belin: how many counties he carried. He carried 52 counties, and he actually carried most of the counties in Feenstra’s own congressional district, which I thought was amazing. He got 17 00:02:52.570 --> 00:03:16.439 Laura Belin: 40% of the vote in Sioux County, even. I mean, Feenstra carried Sioux County, but you would expect him to be absolutely dominating in his home county, so that did surprise me. I was also surprised in the second congressional district. Joe Mitchell won the… that was expected that he would win the nomination, but he only had, like, 62% of the vote or so. I thought he would do better against a very underfunded 18 00:03:16.440 --> 00:03:23.530 Laura Belin: opponent. So, in general, there was a pretty big anti-establishment streak in those Republican primary results. 19 00:03:23.630 --> 00:03:24.149 Dave Price: We have… 20 00:03:24.150 --> 00:03:47.299 Kathie Obradovich: It was interesting to see… just a quick addition to what Laura said. It was interesting to see how dominant Lahn was in the third district. You know, that’s really where he won it. Feenstra, they were pretty close, in the first and second district. Feenstra carried his own home 4th district, but not, as Laura just said, not by very much. 21 00:03:47.300 --> 00:04:03.270 Kathie Obradovich: But I think where Lahn really won it, was in the 3rd District, Central Iowa, Polk County, and he, he was… he was quite a bit further ahead there. So, I was a little bit surprised by that. 22 00:04:04.480 --> 00:04:20.019 Dave Price: I also was surprised that the Turek margin was as big as it was, although it really did feel like… I think we all sort of hinted at this the week before, that, it was… he looked like he had established himself as the… as the frontrunner with this. 23 00:04:20.029 --> 00:04:20.769 Laura Belin: It was… it was. 24 00:04:20.769 --> 00:04:22.189 Dave Price: The one thing that… 25 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:30.109 Laura Belin: I was… I’m sorry, the Vote Vets’ internal polling was showing him 20 to 25 points ahead, so it was pretty consistent with that. 26 00:04:30.110 --> 00:04:40.120 Dave Price: Yeah. The one thing I thought about is, I don’t remember exactly at what time lanes, numbers… 27 00:04:40.350 --> 00:04:56.269 Dave Price: jumped above Feenstra. I was standing behind, in front of this big monitor for our TV streaming broadcast that we did all night, and it would automatically refresh. And I remember looking, and all of a sudden, Lahn had jumped up, the early numbers had Feenstra up. 28 00:04:56.270 --> 00:05:06.809 Dave Price: But it just reminded me that this is not scientific by any means, but I talked about this a couple of weeks ago here on the podcast. Like, sometimes you can just feel some stuff. 29 00:05:07.330 --> 00:05:21.750 Dave Price: When you go out and witness some of these campaigns in action, and it doesn’t… what you… maybe what you feel as the reporter, at least for me, doesn’t necessarily match, maybe, my head. 30 00:05:21.750 --> 00:05:28.829 Dave Price: So, like, when this campaign started, Feenster’s clearly the frontrunner, right? Most money, most well-known. 31 00:05:28.830 --> 00:05:45.580 Dave Price: a member of Congress, you know, whatever. And we have talked numerous times on this podcast about, boy, you know, it doesn’t seem to be a lot of enthusiasm for this guy, whatever. Laura, you went to the Lahn event in Ankeny. I went to the one Friday night in West Des Moines right beforehand. 32 00:05:45.580 --> 00:06:10.110 Dave Price: Which, P.S, great point about Polk County, because they really leaned in hard to point… to Polk County and won handily. And that’s the margin right there, if you start looking at his overall numbers. But you could just feel the juice, and Friday night, I felt like you could still feel the juice in Lahn rally, even though hours before, they got the gut punch that the president had endorsed Feenstra. 33 00:06:10.590 --> 00:06:27.599 Dave Price: and, you know, changed his mind, or whatever happened behind the scenes, or somebody influenced him to get involved in the race. But it was just another indication to me about sometimes what the… I would say head and heart, but, I’m neutral here, so I don’t really have the heart involved in these things, but sort of heart and gut, maybe? 34 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:32.100 Dave Price: But Gut was telling me that Lahn was gonna surpass, and Head was telling me… 35 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:47.040 Dave Price: boy, Feenster should probably be able to hold on here, right? And then, boy, once that flip happened, and I was texting throughout the night with, Feenster supporters, and you could tell that there was angst almost from the get-go. 36 00:06:47.290 --> 00:06:56.230 Dave Price: And then desperation sort of set in, like, they were looking at Montgomery County numbers, which were late… later coming in, but that was sort of the Hail Mary… 37 00:06:57.220 --> 00:07:01.050 Dave Price: And, you know, there weren’t enough people there that were gonna make enough of a difference anyway. 38 00:07:01.890 --> 00:07:02.580 Kathie Obradovich: I was… 39 00:07:02.580 --> 00:07:25.600 Kathie Obradovich: You know, beforehand, we weren’t… didn’t really have a lot of information about what Lahn’s get-out-the-vote operation was going to be like. You know, I was sort of assuming that Feenstra and Steen might both have an advantage there, with Steen, you know, having his tried-and-true supporters from the family leader, etc. 40 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:50.180 Kathie Obradovich: But, yeah, the… either, you know, that organization is not quite as influential as it has been, or, there wasn’t enough difference between Steen and, Lahn and Feenstra in terms of how people felt as far as their, you know, religious, Christian conservative, values. 41 00:07:50.180 --> 00:07:51.280 Kathie Obradovich: So… 42 00:07:51.280 --> 00:08:00.670 Laura Belin: Well, Steve Dace, who was an early Steen endorser and a big Steen endorser, came out on Saturday, the day after the Trump endorsement, and said. 43 00:08:00.880 --> 00:08:07.269 Laura Belin: I’m still voting for Steen, but if you want to stop Randy Feenstra, who’s gonna lose to Rob Sand, you have 44 00:08:07.270 --> 00:08:31.550 Laura Belin: You have to vote for Zach Lahn. That’s what he said. You have to vote for Zach Lahn. And when he… I mean, he has a big megaphone, he has tens of thousands of followers, the Lahn campaign texted this video of Steve Days to everybody, and I gotta believe that that got him a couple thousand votes. I mean, his margin statewide over Feenster was only a couple thousand votes, so that also, I think, when people started to see Steen as less viable. 45 00:08:31.880 --> 00:08:43.050 Laura Belin: That… that could have pushed Lahn over the top for sure. I wanted to mention, this is something we did, like, a special post-election broadcast of KHOI’s Capital Week, and I noticed when I was looking at the county results. 46 00:08:43.049 --> 00:09:08.030 Laura Belin: that Feenster had these clusters where he did, well, like, in the… he won almost all the counties in the Quad Cities market, most of the counties in the Omaha market, in the Rochester, Minnesota market, and I think Lahn only won one county in the Omaha, or not Omaha, Ottumwa, Kirksville market. And I would guess that Lahn probably just wasn’t spending that much on TV outside Des Moines, Cedar Rapids, Sioux City. 47 00:09:08.030 --> 00:09:32.410 Laura Belin: Because it just seemed to me like in the areas with those smaller media markets, that people just didn’t know as much about Lahn, and Feenstra was able to hang on. So, Feenstra’s strategy all along of, like, well, let’s just assume that nobody else can consolidate the support, if you didn’t have Zach Lane putting in $2.5 million of his own money to fund this very aggressive advertising campaign, I think that 48 00:09:32.410 --> 00:09:45.270 Laura Belin: that would have worked for Feenstra. And the Trump endorsement, I mean, what if Trump had endorsed a few months ago? Maybe Lane never would have gotten that momentum. Or what if he had endorsed last summer, and maybe Lane would have decided not to run for governor at all? 49 00:09:46.210 --> 00:09:47.340 Dave Price: I, I would like… 50 00:09:47.340 --> 00:09:48.750 Kathie Obradovich: Interesting questions. 51 00:09:48.750 --> 00:09:53.760 Dave Price: Yeah, I would love to have… Exit polling on this. 52 00:09:54.130 --> 00:10:12.119 Dave Price: because I had wondered at the time, was it too late when the president got involved, and would it even… these were 5 guys who all supported the president, so you didn’t have any of them who, you know, were speaking ill of the president by any means. I’m still super curious who… 53 00:10:12.170 --> 00:10:19.660 Dave Price: who convinced him to get involved in this so late? There had to be some kind of behind-the-scenes effort. I really question that he did this on his own. 54 00:10:19.890 --> 00:10:21.430 Laura Belin: Oh, no, there, no, yeah. 55 00:10:21.430 --> 00:10:26.370 Dave Price: Some, something, something caused this, and, contributed to this, 56 00:10:26.640 --> 00:10:42.549 Dave Price: within our border, I would assume. But I would love to know, somehow, if we could find out how many people, if any, were motivated to support Feenstra because of the president’s endorsement, but then this whole thing with Steve Dace at the end, and really even Bob Vanderpla’s. 57 00:10:42.550 --> 00:10:50.629 Dave Price: did they… did that make any difference at all? Did people look at this like… because there… I got messages from people about, what is this? 58 00:10:50.640 --> 00:10:53.879 Dave Price: So you got a guy who’s endorsed him, now he’s saying this. 59 00:10:53.930 --> 00:10:59.669 Dave Price: And then he took credit after the election that maybe what he did, 60 00:10:59.830 --> 00:11:04.240 Dave Price: made a difference here and contributed to the win. Would love to know, like. 61 00:11:05.880 --> 00:11:11.899 Dave Price: some proof, one way or the other, you know, like, I don’t know how we’re ever gonna know, it’s all gonna be anecdotal. 62 00:11:12.510 --> 00:11:37.500 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I mean, we talked to voters in all four, all four congressional districts on Tuesday, my reporters and some stringers, and some of the Feenstra voters did, you know, specify that the president’s endorsement, you know, made a difference to them. Some said, that they were Trump supporters, but that they hoped Trump’s endorsement 63 00:11:37.500 --> 00:11:42.060 Kathie Obradovich: would not, influence people’s votes, because they were, they were Berlain or steampunk. 64 00:11:42.060 --> 00:11:42.740 Dave Price: Oh, sure. 65 00:11:42.740 --> 00:11:57.329 Kathie Obradovich: So, Trump’s endorsement was, you know, maybe, important to some voters, but, it wasn’t an anti-Trump vote if they… if people chose Lane or some other candidate. 66 00:11:57.920 --> 00:12:07.109 Laura Belin: Oh, Gary Loeffler, the Trump tractor guy, was a big Lane supporter, and he was there… he was there in Ankeny on Sunday, and he was there on Tuesday night at the Victory Party. 67 00:12:08.400 --> 00:12:14.019 Dave Price: I’m, like, looking ahead toward the general election, I’m really fascinated 68 00:12:14.520 --> 00:12:17.699 Dave Price: what the LAN campaign will look like. 69 00:12:17.950 --> 00:12:27.069 Dave Price: how the campaign team will grow, who comes into this, are they gonna bring… bring in some Feenstra people? Are they gonna bring in… 70 00:12:27.540 --> 00:12:33.419 Dave Price: outside people, will Republican Governors Association be part of this? I mean, there had been talk… 71 00:12:33.680 --> 00:12:43.719 Dave Price: about the RGA getting involved if Feenstra held on to get a different-looking campaign post-primary, because there was so much… 72 00:12:44.230 --> 00:12:51.679 Dave Price: consternation about the way they ran it, and I… I can’t remember if I mentioned this on the podcast, so… just… 73 00:12:51.800 --> 00:12:55.450 Dave Price: beat me out here if I’m repeating this, if I’m doing an old man, 74 00:12:55.660 --> 00:13:07.879 Dave Price: a recount that I’ve already said this once before, but big picture, and maybe I was only talking to a friend of mine, and I didn’t say this on the podcast, so I’m a little careful with what I say on here before something happens. 75 00:13:08.220 --> 00:13:08.960 Dave Price: I… 76 00:13:09.130 --> 00:13:16.569 Dave Price: I would be curious with you two, with all the campaigns we’ve covered over the years, both statewide and presidential. 77 00:13:16.970 --> 00:13:36.739 Dave Price: When I was talking to a friend, I was trying to think of a time when there was a legit candidate, not some fringy, nobody knows who this person is kind of thing, but somebody who’s, like, legit, who was looked upon as somebody who could win. I don’t remember ever covering a campaign like Randy Feenstra’s. 78 00:13:36.740 --> 00:13:42.240 Dave Price: where I had so many true supporters of his, Complaining. 79 00:13:42.550 --> 00:14:01.479 Dave Price: about what they were and were not doing, and I’m wondering if either of you can help me… I’ve got 25 years here now, and I was going through my middle-aged memory bank to try to see if I could remember anybody, and I can’t think of anybody that would be a good comp, and I’m wondering if either of you can? 80 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:11.540 Kathie Obradovich: I mean, I think the closest parallel I can draw is with Jim Ross Lightfoot, where, you know, this was, 81 00:14:11.540 --> 00:14:35.249 Kathie Obradovich: again, an open governor’s race. He was the prohibitive favorite, and nobody knew who Tom Vilsack was. And, you know, that it wasn’t a situation where Lightfoot wasn’t getting out, and wasn’t doing media, or wasn’t doing debates, etc. The concern was his, was more like his message discipline, that 82 00:14:35.250 --> 00:14:58.049 Kathie Obradovich: he couldn’t stop talking about, you know, and sort of in technical terms, legislation in DC, as opposed to stripping down a message and focusing on state issues. So I think that that was the main thing that you would hear, you know, supporters of his saying, yeah, he’s got to stop talking about Washington, D.C. so much. 83 00:14:59.160 --> 00:15:16.029 Kathie Obradovich: You know, but that… that’s… I think that… that is not a direct, comparison, and… and you’re right, it’s been a, you know, it’s been a long, long time since we’ve seen, that much kind of grumbling behind the scenes about, you know, the party frontrunner. 84 00:15:16.790 --> 00:15:32.609 Laura Belin: I was living overseas at the time of the Vilsack-Lightfoot race, so I was not on the ground to observe it. I’ve never seen a worse candidate than Randy Feenstra in my life. I mean, and we had a warning sign when he only got 60% of the vote in his own primary. 85 00:15:32.610 --> 00:15:57.049 Laura Belin: two years ago against Kevin Virgil, but it seems like they didn’t learn any lessons from that. He was completely inaccessible to people, even in his own district, heavily conservative areas, and I think that he was just counting on being able to sail through in a fractured field, and I also thought that he was on track to win. I thought that several of the other people could beat Feenstra one-on-one, but with four-on-one, I thought that they would all 86 00:15:57.090 --> 00:16:14.050 Laura Belin: split the vote. So, but then when you have one of those four being extremely well-funded, and able to get his message in front of voters, and people were just looking… I mean, what reasons was Randy Feenster even giving people to vote for him? His ads were just all about how he’s with Trump. 87 00:16:14.050 --> 00:16:20.360 Laura Belin: But he wasn’t really giving anyone any reason to feel inspired about his campaign. 88 00:16:20.410 --> 00:16:28.170 Dave Price: And I believe we talked about that on here, that clearly they felt like the Trump thing was a problem. 89 00:16:28.540 --> 00:16:31.540 Dave Price: And they had to convince the base that… 90 00:16:31.730 --> 00:16:45.370 Dave Price: Feenstra was with the president and would support the president, and it was Trump, Trump, Trump, all the time in his launch videos, really everything, his introductory videos, and that was… they kind of ran on Trump, and he’d never… 91 00:16:45.880 --> 00:16:51.109 Dave Price: never shared any kind of vision. I was trying to think through, like, you know, you try to think of, like. 92 00:16:51.840 --> 00:17:01.659 Dave Price: obviously, from our standpoint, we want everybody to debate, and I did a four-candidate debate and really wanted to do a moderate a five-candidate debate for obvious reasons, right? 93 00:17:01.660 --> 00:17:16.030 Dave Price: But I guess I understood their point in that they felt there was nothing to be gained, and they thought he could be… if he was going to get pulled too far to the right on some issues, standing up there with the other four, it’d be hard to… 94 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:22.510 Dave Price: to push back toward the middle, let’s just say, if that was one of their concerns or whatever. But they didn’t counter-program. 95 00:17:22.940 --> 00:17:24.139 Dave Price: So if that’s what. 96 00:17:24.140 --> 00:17:24.640 Kathie Obradovich: what you’re. 97 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:30.549 Dave Price: about, then you could choose to go do… look what Rob Sand does with the 100 town hall things. 98 00:17:30.890 --> 00:17:44.320 Dave Price: Like, Feenstra could have done something similar, and just non-stop… and I appreciate he’s got a job in Congress, so it makes it a little more challenging to do it. But he had time. He also took a long time to officially get into the race. 99 00:17:44.490 --> 00:18:01.880 Dave Price: Which, frankly, annoyed some Republicans who were wondering, do you want this job? Do you not want this job? What the heck’s going on? But they could have counter-programmed, they could have been all over the place, and they chose not to. It was a really low-profile thing, and it wasn’t really until some of the activists and donors were grumbling that he… 100 00:18:01.880 --> 00:18:04.549 Dave Price: Kinda got out there a little bit more, but… 101 00:18:04.790 --> 00:18:09.700 Dave Price: Doing these sort of small pizza ranch gatherings and little select… 102 00:18:10.020 --> 00:18:19.649 Dave Price: almost felt like private-type things, they weren’t really private, but there was just no energy when you compare it to Lane, and even on a smaller extent, to Steen. 103 00:18:20.100 --> 00:18:23.370 Kathie Obradovich: One of the few… one of the few times that he actually did 104 00:18:23.370 --> 00:18:45.480 Kathie Obradovich: do an event. Was it the Westside Conservative Club, where he put his foot in his mouth, you know, and basically said, yeah, the ESA program, the Educational Savings Account, public dollars for private tuition, that those private schools should, if they’re going to take that money, should have to accept 105 00:18:45.490 --> 00:18:52.440 Kathie Obradovich: all students. And, you know, that, was basically a democratic talking point against. 106 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:57.259 Dave Price: Yeah, which… Which is probably a pretty good general election. Yes, it would have been. 107 00:18:57.490 --> 00:18:58.380 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah. 108 00:18:58.380 --> 00:19:21.970 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, but I, you know, all of the other candidates jumped on him, the governor jumped on him, the Republican lawmakers were unhappy with that, and so, you know, that sort of made me wonder, it’s like, okay, is this why they’re keeping him away from, you know, that he’s gonna put his foot in his mouth if he gets asked the right question, by a reporter? 109 00:19:21.970 --> 00:19:24.660 Kathie Obradovich: Or, you know, or somebody in the audience. 110 00:19:24.660 --> 00:19:49.659 Laura Belin: Look, I mean, even the last week, we talked about this because you went to that house party, Dave, that he did, but I was following his social media last week, and he was doing these private events, basically, at somebody’s farm or somebody’s home for 20 or 25 people. I was just speaking to the Urbandale area Democrats last night, and they had about 50 people just at their regular monthly meeting. I mean, I’ve seen larger meet and greets for city 111 00:19:49.660 --> 00:19:56.490 Laura Belin: council candidates than Randy Feenster was having in the final week of a statewide campaign for governor. It’s just ridiculous. 112 00:19:56.820 --> 00:20:08.740 Dave Price: I also wondered, you know, does it demonstrate, and we’ll see how Lane does this, he, he, Lane has brought in some new subjects, right? He is talking about some stuff, and we’ll have to see how it plays with people. 113 00:20:08.880 --> 00:20:09.890 Dave Price: But… 114 00:20:11.110 --> 00:20:36.090 Dave Price: We knew going into this, the challenge is, no matter who the Republican nominee is, you’re following long-time Republicans in the… who have been on the job, right? Since Brandstick got back in in 11. That’s a long time of Republicans, they’ve had the trifecta since 17. You’re not gonna realistically go in there, you wouldn’t think, and rip on what your party has done, so you have to 115 00:20:36.090 --> 00:20:40.420 Dave Price: Thread a needle about how you’re gonna… sort of, 116 00:20:40.490 --> 00:20:55.060 Dave Price: stay the course, to use George W.’s line from 04, you know, kind of build on it, though. And that… there is a little bit of a thread there, because you don’t want to rip on it, and you saw Feenster try to do that a little bit with Butt. He questioned how they did the budget. 117 00:20:55.110 --> 00:21:08.010 Dave Price: He doesn’t think that they should be dipping in all the reserves to make up for the deficits. And, you know, there were some people who didn’t like that, but that’s probably a theme he was going to have to have for the fiscal management side if he was governor. 118 00:21:08.520 --> 00:21:32.390 Kathie Obradovich: Right, and Lane, you know, a big part of his campaign was, you know, pushing back on big corporate control, you know, big pharma, and, you know, that comes out with, sort of with his MAHA affiliation, Make America Healthy again, and, you know, aligning himself with RFK Jr, who’s the Health and Human Services Secretary. 119 00:21:32.390 --> 00:21:35.310 Kathie Obradovich: There’s an anti-vaccine component to that. 120 00:21:36.430 --> 00:21:59.850 Kathie Obradovich: And then, you know, second, and this is, you know, he’s talking about Iowa’s skyrocketing cancer rate, and tying that concern to Big Pharma to that. Also, the big ag, and, you know, tying, tying farm chemical contamination also to Iowa’s rising cancer rate, which most other Republicans are not willing to do. 121 00:21:59.850 --> 00:22:16.980 Kathie Obradovich: they’ll talk about cancer, but they’re not really… they really don’t want to make that connection to farm chemicals, so… so he broke away from his party a little bit there. I’ll be interested to see how much he, emphasizes that part of his message now, going into the general election. I think that that… 122 00:22:17.450 --> 00:22:30.590 Kathie Obradovich: part of his message, can appeal across party lines, and so it may be worth it for him to continue with that discussion. But yeah, Lane, I think he’s… it’s going to be more difficult 123 00:22:30.590 --> 00:22:40.109 Kathie Obradovich: for Rob Sand to run against Zach Lane. He’s more of a wild card than it would have been for him to run against Randy Feenstra. You know, I think that Zach Lane 124 00:22:40.230 --> 00:23:04.439 Kathie Obradovich: there’s still a lot of things that we don’t know about him. He doesn’t have a voting record, etc. The Republicans did raise some negatives about him during the primary campaign, especially right at the end, when suddenly he started looking like a threat. But, you know, his part-time, residency in Kansas, or previous residency in Kansas, you know, his… some of his invest… 125 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:28.160 Kathie Obradovich: investments that were sort of eyebrow-raising. Those, those things have, you know, started to come to light, or, or, you know, people are sort of digging into those a little bit more now, and I think that there’s, you know, more to know about Zach Lane, you know, potentially, things that are good for his campaign, maybe some things that aren’t so good. Rob Sand, on the other hand, you know. 126 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:37.110 Kathie Obradovich: Republicans have been, running against him now for at least 7 years. They’ve raised a lot of, you know, they’ve raised concerns about him. 127 00:23:37.250 --> 00:23:48.370 Kathie Obradovich: over 7 years, but I don’t know if there’s anything new that we’re likely to hear about him, because they, you know, Republicans have been running negative, messaging about him for such a long time. 128 00:23:48.560 --> 00:24:12.899 Laura Belin: I think this is a very tricky matchup for Rob Sand. I’m sure that he would have rather run against Randy Feenstra, who was completely uninspiring and part of the old guard, and could be tied to both the state management and mismanagement fiscal, according to Rob San, and also the unpopular things that Congress has done, whereas Zach Lane basically blank slate, Dave, as you’ve mentioned, running on a change message. 129 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:18.379 Laura Belin: And we saw the first memo from Rob Sand, and in some of his comments. 130 00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:43.079 Laura Belin: to reporters since the primary, saying things like, well, we’ve had 10 years of one-party rule, and Zach Lane just wants to continue another 4 years of one-party rule. Well, Zach Lane is going to present himself as very different from what Iowa’s had up to now. So that’s part of what Rob Sand is trying to do now, is going to be to convince people that he’s really going to bring more change, because he would bring divided government and 131 00:24:43.080 --> 00:25:08.069 Laura Belin: and all of the other things, rather than Zach Lane. But I do think it’s trickier. But Rob Sand is already making fun of all the time that Zach Lane spends in Kansas. There was Des Moines Register reporting about his many trips in Kansas where some of his children live, and that he made a comment to the Register, Zach Lane did, something like that he’s already had this conversation with his family, that if he’s elected governor, he’ll have 132 00:25:08.070 --> 00:25:15.499 Laura Belin: to spend as much time in Iowa as humanly possible. And Rob Sand quoted this in a video, and he said, most of us just live here. 133 00:25:16.890 --> 00:25:25.340 Laura Belin: Instead of saying, I’m gonna spend as much time in Iowa as humanly possible. So, that’ll be a theme we hear quite a bit about during the general election campaign. 134 00:25:25.340 --> 00:25:35.859 Dave Price: I do wonder how people are going to look at that. I mean, he’s… this is not a… this is not a summer home he has in Wichita. He has a home there because he has children there. 135 00:25:36.300 --> 00:25:47.470 Dave Price: And so, he goes back and forth. I’m gonna be curious how willing he is to be open about this, because you start talking about this, then this gets into your tricky first marriage and all of that stuff. 136 00:25:48.610 --> 00:25:51.300 Dave Price: But it’s probably… he’s going to have to… 137 00:25:51.950 --> 00:26:00.560 Dave Price: Probably speak at length about this, to explain how this is going to work, and how is he going to navigate this if he’s the governor. 138 00:26:01.010 --> 00:26:09.609 Dave Price: When I was… when you were talking about the ads that went against him, can we just get these dual ads out of the way, where… 139 00:26:10.020 --> 00:26:18.970 Dave Price: Lane invested in a company that later produced sex toys. Rob Sand used to be an underwear model. Can we just do a split-screen 140 00:26:19.330 --> 00:26:31.190 Dave Price: joint ad, get it over with, so we can then start talking about issues. They’re gonna find… Rob’s saying they already have the video of him, like, on a skateboard, or whatever that stuff is. They’re gonna make… 141 00:26:31.910 --> 00:26:35.859 Dave Price: The idea’s gonna be maybe make the other guy look like a weirdo. 142 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:40.989 Dave Price: But I also think we can get rid of… 143 00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:48.710 Dave Price: the nature of these two candidates, it’s gonna be tough for Republicans to rip sand for being… 144 00:26:48.850 --> 00:26:49.859 Dave Price: The rich guy. 145 00:26:50.490 --> 00:26:51.810 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I think. 146 00:26:51.810 --> 00:27:02.299 Dave Price: I think Lahn has probably made money on his own, too, but he married into money, so you’re gonna have to deal with that. Then you’ve got two guys who are really kind of pushing for change, so that kind of… 147 00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:19.720 Dave Price: balances each other out. I need to ask you both about… I don’t even know if you had time to read this. Kathie, you… you were knee-deep in a conference while you were doing everything else this week, covering the election, but have you read the release from the SAN campaign about the debate proposals? 148 00:27:19.860 --> 00:27:20.640 Laura Belin: Yes. 149 00:27:21.560 --> 00:27:28.100 Dave Price: So, he is… He’s basically trying to take charge… 150 00:27:28.230 --> 00:27:39.549 Dave Price: of the debate system, rather than having the media outlets, like we usually do, propose it, and then we negotiate with the candidates. He is saying he wants 4 of these, and this is… 151 00:27:39.550 --> 00:27:50.039 Dave Price: Part of this is similar to what Lahn did when he challenged Feenstra. He wants four regional debates, so spread across the state, and he picked the four bigger media markets. 152 00:27:50.110 --> 00:27:51.350 Dave Price: And… 153 00:27:51.470 --> 00:28:07.999 Dave Price: essentially, if I’m reading this right, the media outlets sort of apply to be able to do debates. I don’t know if SAN’s campaign thinks they’re the ones who are gonna make the decision on this, and put it all together, and then it’s up to Lahn to agree or not agree, but it’s gonna be four regional ones. 154 00:28:08.180 --> 00:28:27.410 Dave Price: And, if it doesn’t happen, then I think he’s got a challenge in there that Lahn needs to do a bunch of town halls or something like that. Clearly, it’s different. I like the idea about having four of them. I know, selfishly, as we put the one together that we did statewide with my company and with KCCI in Des Moines. 155 00:28:27.580 --> 00:28:35.170 Dave Price: that it’s hard. We had 90 minutes with 4 candidates, and so much that you want to ask about, you can’t. 156 00:28:35.360 --> 00:28:51.679 Dave Price: And you don’t get in-depth enough on stuff, you know? I mean, with 4 of them, you could get into a lot of things if, they would actually agree. It does sort of feel kind of an old-school way to do this, but I’m not sure what the media outlets are gonna think about SAN, if it looks like sand’s kind of in charge. 157 00:28:51.680 --> 00:29:16.650 Kathie Obradovich: Well, and if I were… if I were Lahn campaign, I would be really uncomfortable with having my opponent be the one to, you know, organize and bet the debates. I mean, the reason that the media outlets are the ones who organize it is that they’re, you know, at least, you know, expected to be neutral in terms of not, you know, trying to give an advantage to one campaign or another, or, you know, to 158 00:29:16.790 --> 00:29:36.919 Kathie Obradovich: you know, choose their moderators, you know, based on, you know, whether we think they’re going to ask tougher questions of the opponent. So I am uncomfortable with the… I love the idea for debates, regional debates. It’s good to get out around the state. Don’t love the idea of the SAN campaign trying to be the one to organize it. 159 00:29:37.090 --> 00:29:48.920 Laura Belin: Well, I… what I thought was interesting about the proposal is he kept saying, if our opponent does not agree, so it seems like he’s only interested in debating Zach Lahn, whereas 160 00:29:48.920 --> 00:30:13.889 Laura Belin: I mean, most of the time, Rob Sand is talking about how the two-party private clubs shouldn’t have a monopoly on this or that. I went to watch him vote on Tuesday morning, and he spoke to reporters, and the first thing he said was that this is… a third of the state is disenfranchised because independents have to declare with a party to vote in the primary, and so on, but it looks like a libertarian is going to be on the ballot. They’ve qualified for the ballot, Nicholas Gluba. 161 00:30:13.890 --> 00:30:37.290 Laura Belin: filed his nominating papers on Tuesday. I haven’t seen whether those will be challenged. He told me on Tuesday he was very comfortable that he was way above the threshold and wouldn’t be knocked off the ballot, but I didn’t see anything in Rob Sands’ proposal that indicated that he’s willing to debate anyone other than his Republican opponent, so that’s something I’m gonna try to find out next time I get a chance to ask him a question. 162 00:30:38.050 --> 00:30:44.550 Dave Price: Laura, you… I wanted to, do a little PS on what you just said there. I’ve heard the criticism 163 00:30:44.580 --> 00:31:01.929 Dave Price: from some Republicans about sand, and that he’s basically trying to run away from being a Democrat. The one thing listening to you talk there reminded me that for almost as long as I’ve covered him, he has talked about the weaknesses of a two-party system. 164 00:31:01.930 --> 00:31:12.030 Dave Price: He is not talking about ranked choice voting, but I know he’s done… I think he’s read books on this, and he’s looked into how this would work and all of that. I mean, he’s got his own… 165 00:31:12.030 --> 00:31:22.629 Dave Price: his own, ideas that he’s put out there, but there are certain things for those who have talked to him for quite a while, he has been consistent about 166 00:31:22.770 --> 00:31:28.399 Dave Price: some of the things he’s talking about out there on the campaign trail as governor. This isn’t just… 167 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:41.020 Dave Price: that the Democratic Party brand stinks, or something like that, and he’s trying to get away from it. He has… he has been talked… he has talked about the traps of a two-party system for quite some time. 168 00:31:41.020 --> 00:31:46.639 Laura Belin: Oh, yeah, years ago, I remember hearing him talk about it, and this primary, sort of a jungle primary. 169 00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:47.060 Dave Price: system. 170 00:31:47.060 --> 00:31:48.050 Laura Belin: That he wants to have. 171 00:31:48.620 --> 00:32:12.270 Laura Belin: That’s a newer proposal, but I think that he’s been open to that. I forgot to say, to pick up on something that you were talking about earlier, that the Zach Lahn wealth maybe makes it difficult for Republicans to campaign against Rob San. Zach Lahn, in his victory speech on Tuesday, tried to thread that needle by saying, kind of a Trumpian line of, I’m my own biggest donor, and therefore, I can’t be bought. 172 00:32:12.540 --> 00:32:29.460 Laura Belin: But Rob Sand is putting Iowa on the auction block because he’s taken money from these billionaires and also his wife’s family, so kind of… and glossing over the fact that Rob Sand has raised millions of dollars from thousands of donors, and 173 00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:42.970 Laura Belin: Zach Lahn has very few small grassroots donors by comparison, but in any case, they’re going to try to differentiate it that way, but I do think that it makes it complicated, that message is complicated, by Zach Lahn. 174 00:32:43.800 --> 00:32:49.790 Dave Price: All right, well, we will have much to discuss in the months ahead, and we are going to continue 175 00:32:49.990 --> 00:32:57.459 Dave Price: our weekly podcast. We may take a break, late summer, for everybody to get a little time off, but we’re gonna keep this sucker going. 176 00:32:57.570 --> 00:33:15.990 Dave Price: Can you seriously imagine what this year is going to be? We didn’t even really deep dive into the U.S. Senate race, which we will do in the weeks ahead, but the Hinson-Turek matchup is gonna be so fascinating, Sand and Lahn fascinating. We’re gonna have… 177 00:33:17.070 --> 00:33:19.000 Dave Price: 2, maybe 3? 178 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:20.160 Laura Belin: 3… 179 00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:38.359 Dave Price: competitive congressional races, plus, I mean, you know, they’re always… I feel like the legislative races are always interesting on their own, you know, maybe they’re more hyper-local, I suppose, but seriously, though, for a non-presidential year, this is gonna be something else, right? 180 00:33:38.670 --> 00:33:41.170 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, oh, I think so. 181 00:33:41.170 --> 00:34:04.800 Kathie Obradovich: I’ve referred to this before as it’s basically a generational opportunity for change in Iowa. You know, considering that it’s the first time we’ve had both an open governor and simultaneously U.S. Senate… open U.S. Senate race in 58 years, that is longer than almost everyone has even been able to vote. 182 00:34:04.800 --> 00:34:27.040 Kathie Obradovich: Let alone, you know, a lot of voters weren’t alive the last time that, that we had this wide open of a race. So, so yeah, and, you know, of course, it trickles all the way down the ballot. So, so this is a really big opportunity for change. Somebody also asked me, you know, could Iowa go back into the purple state category? 183 00:34:27.489 --> 00:34:31.960 Kathie Obradovich: And it’s like, well, if it can, this is the year, you know? 184 00:34:32.350 --> 00:34:33.300 Kathie Obradovich: It’s gonna be the year. 185 00:34:33.469 --> 00:34:51.839 Laura Belin: And, yeah, absolutely. I’m a believer in that second congressional district in Northeast Iowa. That is in play, definitely, in addition to the first and third, and we haven’t even talked about the Attorney General, Secretary of Agriculture race. Those are both going to be very interesting. So, I think it’s the most exciting Iowa election cycle I’ve ever covered. 186 00:34:52.260 --> 00:34:56.600 Dave Price: This… our Writers Collaborative features a lot of… 187 00:34:56.699 --> 00:35:14.080 Dave Price: different perspectives on things. For my personal standpoint, I don’t, I don’t go partisan either way, I’m neutral, I don’t take part in primaries. But may I just say, the most unsettling part of 2026? Do you know what that is for me personally? 188 00:35:15.620 --> 00:35:19.239 Dave Price: Regardless of which candidate 189 00:35:19.720 --> 00:35:32.140 Dave Price: becomes our next governor, regardless of which candidate becomes our next United States senator, I am guaranteed that I will be older than both of those winners. 190 00:35:32.450 --> 00:35:35.539 Dave Price: And I don’t know how to come to terms with this. 191 00:35:36.810 --> 00:35:53.990 Kathie Obradovich: This would be a first time for me, as well, so I… I would, yeah, you start to feel old when your, when your doctors, your priests, and your, you know, your governor are… are actually younger than you, so… 192 00:35:53.990 --> 00:36:05.049 Dave Price: I noticed that this was the first cycle where, like, especially talking to friends, I more frequently found myself referring to people, by their first names. 193 00:36:05.500 --> 00:36:12.849 Dave Price: And I don’t think that it was a sign of disrespect for anybody, I think it was the fact that some of these people are well younger than I am. 194 00:36:13.390 --> 00:36:15.600 Dave Price: It’s just what came out, so I… 195 00:36:16.240 --> 00:36:18.940 Dave Price: This is how it’s always going to be now, and I need to… 196 00:36:19.630 --> 00:36:22.470 Dave Price: Sit down in a quiet place and come to terms with this. 197 00:36:24.680 --> 00:36:38.019 Dave Price: Oh, that’s definitely a good place to wrap this sucker. Thank you to all of you who have joined us for all of our conversations about the Iowa legislative session. Let’s see if there’s going to be a special session, by the way. 198 00:36:38.500 --> 00:36:40.410 Dave Price: just… I’m just gonna throw that one out there. 199 00:36:40.410 --> 00:36:41.370 Kathie Obradovich: Probably not, but… 200 00:36:41.370 --> 00:37:06.129 Dave Price: You know, that’s still gonna… we’re gonna… those rumors will percolate occasionally. Anyway, for sticking with us on the long legislative session, getting through the primary election, now that we look ahead to the general election, we very much appreciate your support. We don’t do ads on this. We very much appreciate all of you who have made contributions to keep this going week after week after week, and we are committed to continue doing these throughout the general 201 00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:11.350 Dave Price: election, and the more support we can get from the community, the more 202 00:37:11.350 --> 00:37:19.470 Dave Price: that allows us to keep this going. So we very much appreciate all of you who have helped us do that, and if you’re thinking about doing it and haven’t yet. 203 00:37:19.470 --> 00:37:36.070 Dave Price: This would be a great time to get on there and do it. I’m gonna sound like those, fundraising drives on Iowa Public TV or Iowa Public Radio, but if you’re able to do it, we’d very much appreciate it. Thank you to Kathie and Laura. Ladies, have a great weekend, and we’ll talk to you next week. We will talk to everybody next week. 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Iowa Down Ballot with Dave Price 5/30/26

Pre-Primary Palooza: What to Watch Tuesday Night A new poll from JMC Analytics has Zach Lahn at 24%, Feenstra at 22%, and Steen at 15% — with 27% still undecided. We’re not putting too much weight in it, but it would explain why Feenstra went negative this week, hitting Lahn over a past investment in a men’s health company. Frontrunners don’t attack candidates they aren’t worried about. An outside group sharing a consultant with the Lahn campaign also launched its own immigration hit on Feenstra, so the gloves are off heading into Tuesday. Steen has the Family Leader network behind him, which has powered late surges before — but without TV money, he risks losing anti-Feenstra voters to Lahn if they consolidate around the more viable option. Dave stopped by a Feenstra house party Wednesday night and came away puzzled. Terry Branstad, the Lt. Governor, the Secretary of Ag — a full Republican who’s who — but no energy, no closing argument, just the standard Pizza Ranch stump speech. Meanwhile Lahn has been packing town halls with 100-150 people. The contrast is hard to ignore. On the Democratic side, VoteVets has dropped $10 million since mid-March for Josh Turek — more than Hubbell spent in all of 2018. Zach Wahls has the Iowa résumé and is leaning on an outsider frame, but electability seems to be the real tiebreaker for Democratic primary voters, and that spending has erased Turek’s early name ID gap fast. We’ll know a lot more by next week. See you then. A huge thank you to everyone who has already become a paid subscriber — your support is what keeps this conversation going. If you’ve been listening and haven’t yet, please consider subscribing or making a one-time donation through the link below. We’ve got a big year of Iowa politics ahead and we don’t want to stop now. Auto-generated transcript below: 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:49.230 Dave Price: Hi everyone, welcome to the Iowa Down Ballot podcast. This is our pre-primary election Extravaganza. 10 00:00:49.350 --> 00:00:55.330 Dave Price: Hi, I’m Dave Price, joined by Laura Belin and Kathie Obradovich. Hello, ladies, how are you? 11 00:00:55.660 --> 00:01:02.849 Kathie Obradovich: Hello. Happy Friday. I think Primary Palooza is what we want to go with, don’t you think? 12 00:01:02.850 --> 00:01:04.859 Dave Price: Like, let’s start this sucker over again. 13 00:01:05.080 --> 00:01:05.989 Kathie Obradovich: No, no, no, no. 14 00:01:05.990 --> 00:01:11.849 Dave Price: I dug out… I was trying to think of a prop, you know, I keep different things. 15 00:01:11.850 --> 00:01:12.640 Laura Belin: This is from… 16 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:17.069 Dave Price: there was, way back in the day. 17 00:01:17.240 --> 00:01:33.119 Dave Price: Back in my hometown in southern Illinois, Belleville, Illinois, there was a longtime member of Congress named Mel Price, Melvin Price. I do not believe we were related to him in any way, but, 18 00:01:33.190 --> 00:01:48.070 Dave Price: my dad was sort of, like, both ways. Like, for a while, he was involved in Democratic politics when he worked for this stove company, and he was, he worked, I remember once a month on Saturdays working for the union, and then he was kind of one of those, 19 00:01:48.070 --> 00:01:55.170 Dave Price: He got laid off during the Carter administration, he flipped over and became one of these Reagan Democrats and kind of stuck with… 20 00:01:55.420 --> 00:02:01.079 Dave Price: the Republicans most of the rest of his life, although he was a Ross Perot guy in there, too. My dad was a… 21 00:02:01.180 --> 00:02:15.670 Dave Price: He was a fascinating swing voter over the time. I should have… I wish I would have recorded more stories with him before he passed away. But anyway, this is my… I’ve always kept this, and since it doesn’t say Mel on there, then… 22 00:02:15.670 --> 00:02:16.700 Laura Belin: That’s right. 23 00:02:17.290 --> 00:02:20.559 Dave Price: when I… when I… when I launch one day. 24 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:31.959 Kathie Obradovich: I could be your running mate, Dave, because I received a fortune in a fortune cookie just the other day that says, your determination will lead to victory in November. 25 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:33.550 Dave Price: So… 26 00:02:34.510 --> 00:02:44.530 Kathie Obradovich: I don’t know whose fortune cookie I got, it clearly wasn’t intended for me, but it’s like, okay, I guess we’ve got a sort of a political bent here, so… 27 00:02:44.530 --> 00:02:52.939 Dave Price: A bunch of candidates who, who watch this podcast when it drops will probably reach out to you. Can we please have that fortune from you? 28 00:02:53.930 --> 00:02:57.720 Dave Price: Before Tuesday night. Hey, as we’re… 29 00:02:57.970 --> 00:03:20.430 Dave Price: as we’re gathering here, and we are gathering on… on Friday morning, there is a new poll that’s dropped, and Laura, maybe you can start us off. Can you be our asterisk, as we talk about this poll? Because this is a company that we don’t frankly know a lot about, and we are going to intentionally not put too much weight into this. 30 00:03:20.430 --> 00:03:26.039 Dave Price: It is one… new facet, perhaps, in this Republican gubernatorial race. 31 00:03:26.230 --> 00:03:37.469 Dave Price: But if it is true, or if it maybe has picked up on something, it does maybe make some sense with some recent developments that we’ve seen here, right? 32 00:03:37.620 --> 00:03:38.240 Laura Belin: Right. 33 00:03:38.530 --> 00:04:03.490 Laura Belin: So, JMC Analytics and Polling, and they say in their polling memo that they are not affiliated with any candidate running for governor or Senate in Iowa. So, they commissioned this poll of the Republican primary, and the big, shocking top line is that they found Zach Lane with 24% support, Randy Feenstra with 22%, and Adam Steen in third place. 34 00:04:03.490 --> 00:04:15.099 Laura Belin: with 15%, and then a huge number, 27%, undecided. So, if true, that would be very big, and, of course. 35 00:04:15.100 --> 00:04:39.979 Laura Belin: we’ve been saying for a while that Zach Lane, one of his big challenges would be to get his name ID up and consolidate support to allow him to overtake Feenstra, and this would suggest that all of his big spending on digital ads and TV ads may be paying off. Now, the Senate race was a little more of a snooze, with Ashley Henson way ahead, 58% to 19% over Jim Carlin, which is kind of 36 00:04:39.980 --> 00:04:42.640 Laura Belin: in line with, I think, what people would expect. 37 00:04:42.850 --> 00:04:43.580 Dave Price: And… 38 00:04:43.580 --> 00:05:01.400 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, so, I mean, if this poll is accurate, two things really jump out at me. One, of course, is that Zach Lane has moved into the lead, but two, nobody had 35%, which is what you need to win a primary. That big, undecided 39 00:05:01.440 --> 00:05:19.579 Kathie Obradovich: block, also means that, you know, regardless of what the polls say, it’s still… and this is always really important in primary anyway, it’s still about getting your voters out. So, who has the best, get out the vote? Is, you know, does Zach Lane, can he… 40 00:05:19.690 --> 00:05:30.150 Kathie Obradovich: stand up? Can his get-out-the-vote effort stand up to a really experienced politician like Randy Feenstrod? But, you know, it raises some really interesting questions, I think. 41 00:05:30.280 --> 00:05:48.079 Dave Price: And the get-out-the-vote, as we’ve talked about throughout this podcast, it is the test for Feenstra. Can he translate what he’s pulled off in the fourth, where Republicans always do well in the way that district is? Is it 36 counties, is that right? 42 00:05:48.080 --> 00:05:49.170 Laura Belin: 36 now, yes. 43 00:05:49.170 --> 00:06:09.199 Dave Price: 36 of the 99, so geographically, just a humongous chunk, but it is so heavily Republican there. So Feenstrait’s challenge all throughout has been the other three congressional districts, where would he turn out people there, but also really has to juice his numbers in the fourth, if he can do that, to try to up his game. 44 00:06:09.200 --> 00:06:17.839 Laura Belin: Well, and I don’t know that he can, because remember 2 years ago, he had a primary opponent, Kevin Virgil, who was backed by Steve King. 45 00:06:17.840 --> 00:06:36.569 Laura Belin: And Feenstra won that primary only by 60% to 40% against a guy, you know, hardly anyone had ever heard of 6 months before the primary, who Feenstra outspent by 10 to 1, or maybe more. So I don’t know that he can really count on Northwest Iowa being this solid base of support for him. 46 00:06:37.750 --> 00:06:39.470 Dave Price: Kathie, you saw the… 47 00:06:39.970 --> 00:06:58.990 Kathie Obradovich: I was just gonna say, I mean, it’s a huge geographic area, but, but, you know, you look at the, you know, the population, you know, it’s just a… the big population centers are all elsewhere in the state, so I… it is… it is difficult, I think, to win… win the state by winning the 4th district. 48 00:06:59.080 --> 00:07:00.160 Kathie Obradovich: So… 49 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.160 Dave Price: Okay, so, let’s… 50 00:07:02.770 --> 00:07:16.660 Dave Price: We can talk about this poll, whether this is or isn’t accurate, and how, and as Laura’s pointed out, 126 times, I feel like, in your columns and on your show this year, it is tough to measure the primary electorate, right? 51 00:07:17.640 --> 00:07:19.369 Dave Price: Okay, so Kathie. 52 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:22.539 Dave Price: What about here late in the game? 53 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:32.940 Dave Price: So it would be Wednesday night, Thursday morning, I believe, when this thing dropped, but Feenstra, who from the get-go has been the perceived frontrunner in this race. 54 00:07:32.940 --> 00:07:44.429 Dave Price: he goes negative with an ad against Zach Lane. And just as a little bit of background, this goes back to a story that the Des Moines Register did several weeks back. 55 00:07:44.430 --> 00:07:48.700 Dave Price: that traced some investments, I think it’s a million bucks. 56 00:07:48.780 --> 00:07:57.990 Dave Price: that Lane had in the early part of this decade to a company that was focused on men’s, sexual health. 57 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:06.600 Dave Price: Not really sure how the… the right way to phrase that. But Lane’s people are saying. 58 00:08:06.760 --> 00:08:11.950 Dave Price: That when the company started, it was more… Making… 59 00:08:12.070 --> 00:08:17.160 Dave Price: Helping men get healthier and stuff, dealing with the stuff that middle-aged and older guys deal with. 60 00:08:17.370 --> 00:08:25.990 Dave Price: When they transitioned more toward the pleasure side, if you will, he got out of there. Okay, so that’s the long-winded setup, so… 61 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:39.840 Dave Price: what do you make from Feenster going negative, and then essentially in this ad alleging that, hey, Zach Lane says that he’s a guy representing Iowa values, but he put a million bucks into a company that makes sex toys? 62 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:58.939 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I mean, I think that the top line there is, why would Randy Feensta bother to attack Zach Lane unless they were perceiving some sort of threat? So, you know, in a situation like this, if your opponent is less well-known. 63 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:23.900 Kathie Obradovich: And, you know, not, you know, without the polling that we’ve just been talking about, I think you’re better off ignoring him as… and that’s been Randy Fink’s strategy all along, right? Ignoring his primary opponents and going, you know, looking beyond them to the general election. This runs against that strategy, and so I can only conclude that they’ve decided 64 00:09:23.900 --> 00:09:27.920 Kathie Obradovich: that Zach Lane is a threat, and that they need to try to knock him down. 65 00:09:29.070 --> 00:09:52.539 Laura Belin: On the latest On Iowa Politics podcast, Tom Barden of the Cedar Rapids Gazette said that he’s been talking with Republican activists, and they’ve shared some internal polling numbers that suggest that both Feenstra and Lane’s internal polling have Feenstra below 30%, which is… which would explain why Feenster would be going negative against Lane. But there’s also this outside group. 66 00:09:52.540 --> 00:09:58.060 Laura Belin: that just this week started running a hit piece on an attack ad on Feenstra saying that. 67 00:09:58.060 --> 00:10:17.109 Laura Belin: he’s weak on immigration, or that he failed Iowa on immigration. Of course, that’s such a big issue for Republican candidates and politicians, and this added… I… I don’t know all the details about this program. It goes back to when Randy Feenster was the city administrator of Hull. 68 00:10:17.170 --> 00:10:35.130 Laura Belin: I sensed that the ad is a little bit misleading, because it implies that he gave benefits to illegal immigrants, which I think is more like the city had a program to try to be welcoming to immigrants, period, not specifically undocumented immigrants, but in any case. 69 00:10:35.130 --> 00:10:52.120 Laura Belin: According to an Iowa Democratic Party memo, the group that is behind this outside spending ad attacking Randy Feenstra shares a consultant with Zach Lane’s campaign. So, it’s not directly coming from Lane, but that would suggest that Lane’s 70 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.050 Laura Belin: people see an opening and an opportunity to take down Feenstra. 71 00:10:56.300 --> 00:11:15.329 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I mean, if you look at Feenster’s voting record in Congress, he spent 100% with the Trump administration on all the… all the immigration issues, so going back that many years, for a hit on immigration, is, a little surprising to me, so… 72 00:11:15.550 --> 00:11:25.760 Dave Price: Wanted to share two more things about this race. One, and I’m gonna say them both so I don’t forget them both, and I’m guzzling coffee, too, because my dog had me up overnight, so I’m… 73 00:11:25.890 --> 00:11:32.350 Dave Price: I’m still trying to get the neurons firing here, so sorry to be rude, I hate to drink on the podcast, but it’s only coffee. 74 00:11:33.010 --> 00:11:43.470 Dave Price: Two things. We have not yet talked much about Adam Steen, so I wanted to say that before I forget. And then also, I wanted to talk about this house party, 75 00:11:43.620 --> 00:11:52.299 Dave Price: involving Feenster on Wednesday night, so I’m only saying this out loud so you two can please help me remember so I don’t forget either one of those things. Can we do Adam Steen first? Because… 76 00:11:52.410 --> 00:12:07.009 Dave Price: His campaign has intrigued me throughout, in the sense that he has Bob Vanderplatz from the family leader behind him, Steve Days, who used to be a talk show host in Iowa, and now has a national platform. He is also frequently… 77 00:12:07.100 --> 00:12:22.949 Dave Price: talked about and supported, Adam Steen publicly. Dace did, a couple of days ago, do a social media post where he offered a little context on the race, which talked about how Lane was possibly 78 00:12:22.950 --> 00:12:41.280 Dave Price: on the rise, which I thought was interesting to say that in a public setting like that, and he still supports Adam Steen. But what do you two make about this? Now, if that poll that you’re talking about, Laura, is accurate, or has at least picked up a trend here, that could make some sense, right? Like, the… 79 00:12:41.280 --> 00:12:46.310 Dave Price: we’ll see how powerful… what kind of say Bob Vanderplatz has in this state. 80 00:12:46.750 --> 00:12:54.670 Dave Price: But there should be a built-in network if it’s behind Steen, even though he’s not raised a ton of money, there should be some kind of… 81 00:12:54.850 --> 00:12:59.949 Dave Price: Get-out-the-vote kind of apparatus, that he should be a legit 82 00:13:00.880 --> 00:13:04.109 Dave Price: contender in this, in this primary, right? 83 00:13:05.170 --> 00:13:11.179 Dave Price: And it’s hard for us to measure it because the absence of primary polling and all that kind of stuff, but in theory, right? 84 00:13:11.210 --> 00:13:21.550 Laura Belin: We’ve seen candidates with support from that wing of the Iowa GOP have had these late surges, Mike Huckabee, Rick Santorum… 85 00:13:21.900 --> 00:13:32.980 Laura Belin: Ted Cruz, who won the 2016 caucuses, so definitely that network, that kind of church-affiliated, social conservative network, I think the dangerous thing 86 00:13:33.250 --> 00:13:44.260 Laura Belin: for Steen is that since he doesn’t have the money to compete, he’s run a few TV ads, but really he hasn’t been able to compete with Feenstra and Lane in the paid advertising. 87 00:13:44.260 --> 00:13:44.580 Dave Price: Yeah. 88 00:13:44.580 --> 00:14:04.309 Laura Belin: So, I think that if these undecided voters are… if they start to see Lane as the more credible option to block Randy Feenstra, then Steen might lose some of that support. But he could definitely outperform his polling just based on having that network, which we’ve seen can drive people to the polls in Iowa. 89 00:14:04.530 --> 00:14:12.859 Dave Price: Kathie, our good friend, Kay Henderson from Radio Iowa, had a story this week. She covered one of Steen’s events. 90 00:14:13.150 --> 00:14:30.069 Dave Price: Along with a colleague, I believe, from her radio network, and Steen was lamenting this feeling of apathy that some in the primary universe are feeling, and he acknowledged that’s a challenge, and they’re gonna have to get these people motivated after the… 91 00:14:30.090 --> 00:14:35.810 Dave Price: after the primary and stuff like that. What… what do you… what do you make about… 92 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.160 Dave Price: Where he is in this… in this race. 93 00:14:40.340 --> 00:14:57.800 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I mean, when you think about Steen, you know, the first thing that comes to mind for me is that, you know, he is… he is the ultimate culture warrior, it seems like, in this race, that his… his message has really been steeped in, you know. 94 00:14:57.800 --> 00:15:18.080 Kathie Obradovich: the… and it makes sense, then, that the family leader and the evangelical wing of the party would be backing him, but I mean, it’s really about, Christian values, his claim to fame as the administrator of the administrative services in the Reynolds administration was 95 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:30.999 Kathie Obradovich: you know, keeping the Satanic Temple from having an event in the capital. So, I mean, I think his, his message is very much focused on that culture, you know, culture division issue. 96 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:53.939 Kathie Obradovich: Whereas Zach Lane, I think, has most… yes, he’s a conservative, and I would argue that he’s a religious conservative as well, but he has really focused his message more on economic issues, so talking about, you know, big corporations, you know, the, hurting the, family farmer, hurting small business in Iowa. 97 00:15:54.870 --> 00:16:11.920 Kathie Obradovich: And, you know, his approach, and also the environment and health. So these… I think that the messages are fundamentally different, and it could be a sign that the economic message is edging out some of this culture war stuff that we’ve seen. 98 00:16:11.920 --> 00:16:16.770 Kathie Obradovich: Culture War has been really successful over the last, you know. 99 00:16:16.860 --> 00:16:23.460 Kathie Obradovich: decade, but maybe we’re seeing the economic message, sort of surpass that now. 100 00:16:23.460 --> 00:16:32.020 Laura Belin: Well, I just saw somebody linked to… Adam Steen had a campaign video up talking about water quality, and I thought, well, that’s interesting, because… 101 00:16:32.650 --> 00:16:55.810 Laura Belin: Chris Jones and Zach Lane have been stressing that, and I mean, maybe Adamstein feels like that’s an issue he needs to respond on. We don’t normally hear people talking about water quality in a Republican primary, but I just looked up the turnout from the 2022 Republican primary, when just under 200,000 ballots were cast. 102 00:16:55.810 --> 00:17:12.840 Laura Belin: And the overwhelming majority, more than 80% of those, were cast on Election Day, so I think it’s really hard. I was thinking, going into this year, that we could have a really high turnout GOP primary with such a scrambled race for governor, and also open seats, but the congressional races 103 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:22.080 Laura Belin: have turned out to be, you know, mostly non-competitive primaries, except for in that first district with Miller-Meeks and David Pouch. That’s the only one that’s heavily 104 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:39.339 Laura Belin: contested, so I just don’t know. I’ve heard that early voting has been very light with Republicans. Of course, we know Republicans prefer to vote on Election Day, so I think that’s just a big question mark for me, is how many people are gonna care enough to show up to cast a ballot in this governor’s race. 105 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:55.869 Dave Price: Kathie, as we’ve talked about here on the podcast, to sort of add another point to your point, about the cultural issues, that is what’s made me wonder, looking at the field of five, and we haven’t even mentioned Brad Sherman and Eddie Andrews in this podcast yet, but… 106 00:17:56.110 --> 00:18:06.069 Dave Price: I appreciate that if you got all 5 of them together in a room, they might find some nuances where they disagree when it comes to these, more cultural issues. 107 00:18:06.280 --> 00:18:15.430 Dave Price: But by and large, thematically, there wouldn’t be a lot of differences, necessarily. Now, maybe, maybe they talk differently. 108 00:18:15.540 --> 00:18:32.340 Dave Price: Maybe they would take the… I’ve never heard Feenstra talk about his, supportive life at conception, for example, and I think the other four, throughout this campaign have talked about that. So that could be a… that could be a substantial difference, perhaps, with some in the… in the primaries, but… 109 00:18:32.340 --> 00:18:38.110 Dave Price: To your point about, you know, how Steen has kind of really embraced this, no doubt. 110 00:18:38.420 --> 00:18:52.709 Dave Price: But I don’t know that that brings the separation from some of the others, so maybe his effectiveness, and I mean, he is very good, when you watch him. He’s a very good communicator, his presence, you saw that in the debate. 111 00:18:52.710 --> 00:19:06.079 Dave Price: I mean, he is very skilled at that kind of stuff, so maybe the delivery and the network and stuff allows him to maybe do a late-game surge here, a late campaign surge, but I’ve just wondered how he’s going to have that 112 00:19:06.410 --> 00:19:09.750 Dave Price: True separation, but as we also know, though. 113 00:19:10.300 --> 00:19:26.369 Dave Price: you don’t really need to win on Tuesday, you just need to make sure nobody else wins, right? And then you… and then you take your shot with the… with the delegates at the state convention, so you don’t get 35. As long as Feenstra doesn’t get 35, then, you know, you live to see another day. 114 00:19:26.370 --> 00:19:37.650 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, but the convention is such a crapshoot, you know, because, you know, you don’t… first of all, the delegates don’t even have to, I mean. 115 00:19:37.650 --> 00:19:39.640 Dave Price: Anyway, this is your chance, Kevin. 116 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.669 Kathie Obradovich: Well, you’ve already got the bumper sticker, you know? 117 00:19:43.670 --> 00:19:44.040 Dave Price: fortunate. 118 00:19:44.040 --> 00:19:44.760 Kathie Obradovich: You think they missed. 119 00:19:44.760 --> 00:19:45.770 Dave Price: That’s far more powerful. 120 00:19:45.770 --> 00:19:53.669 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, so, I mean, the point being they can nominate some rando, like you and me, and not… 121 00:19:53.670 --> 00:19:55.079 Dave Price: That would be a rando. 122 00:19:55.080 --> 00:20:10.459 Kathie Obradovich: Not even go with the candidates who are actually running in the primary. Not that they… I don’t think we’ve ever seen that happen, but yeah, that’s, you know, so you start thinking about, well, who would have, the best shot? 123 00:20:10.930 --> 00:20:22.540 Kathie Obradovich: in a convention situation, and, you know, it’s hard to say, you know? Again, it’s about who shows up, and whose people show up. I’m hoping… 124 00:20:22.540 --> 00:20:33.559 Kathie Obradovich: that these candidates are all smart enough that they would have a convention strategy, and we have been working on that. But, but yeah, it’s… you know, I think that 125 00:20:33.560 --> 00:20:39.999 Kathie Obradovich: If that poll that we were just talking about is accurate, and everybody is sort of hanging below 126 00:20:40.290 --> 00:20:42.920 Kathie Obradovich: 35%. 127 00:20:43.130 --> 00:21:01.190 Kathie Obradovich: you know, again, I can’t emphasize enough, it’s really about whose people turn out on election day. And, you know, again, I think Steen punches above his weight on Election Day just because of the family leader and their… their get-out-the-vote experience. 128 00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:15.239 Kathie Obradovich: You know, I don’t know what Zach Lane’s Get Out the Vote, operation looks like, but, he’s had a lot of help from Vote Vets and, you know, some third-party or, you know, outside organizations that may… 129 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:15.580 Dave Price: not. 130 00:21:15.580 --> 00:21:17.329 Kathie Obradovich: Helping with that. 131 00:21:17.330 --> 00:21:19.320 Dave Price: Zach Lane with Boat Bets? 132 00:21:19.540 --> 00:21:23.390 Kathie Obradovich: Oh, no, I’m sorry. No, I’m conflating, 133 00:21:23.390 --> 00:21:23.960 Laura Belin: No, yeah. 134 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:32.680 Kathie Obradovich: I guess I’m tired, too. He’s had, you know, he’s had some help, too, from some, you know, PAC groups, so… 135 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:38.670 Laura Belin: He claims to have a big field operation, but, you know, it’s all come together very last minute, so… 136 00:21:38.780 --> 00:21:55.239 Laura Belin: It’s a wild… this is basically the outcome that Rob Sand would want, you know, a scrambled, messy GOP primary, especially if it goes to convention, I think that would be kind of the best possible outcome for Democrats, because 137 00:21:55.240 --> 00:22:02.230 Laura Belin: There are going to be hard feelings, and it’s unpredictable, and it just delays the whole process of Republicans coming together. 138 00:22:02.500 --> 00:22:09.560 Dave Price: Okay, so, I wanted to share one thing, and it’s one of those things that… I don’t know if it’s something or not something. 139 00:22:09.780 --> 00:22:18.789 Dave Price: So I don’t want to overblow it. It’s sort of like the way we’re treating this poll. We don’t want to overblow what this is, and let’s be honest, that’s what we try to do on the podcast anyway here. 140 00:22:18.790 --> 00:22:31.580 Dave Price: Is that… because a lot of this is nuances, right? Like, Laura, you brought up early on, it would be surprising if Lane can be a legit top-tier contender by getting into the race so late, right? 141 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:40.619 Dave Price: And we will find… that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. He could… he may become the nominee. Like, we did no definitive, like, there’s no way this is gonna happen. 142 00:22:40.740 --> 00:22:47.359 Dave Price: Okay, so this is another one of these things, and I brought it up to you, both of you, privately, before we started the recording. 143 00:22:47.770 --> 00:22:54.480 Dave Price: What I… a good friend of me years ago had recommended, like, in the last week or two of a campaign. 144 00:22:54.660 --> 00:23:01.599 Dave Price: Do your best to get to as many as you can, and, like, talk to people, but sort of get in the back of the room to, like, feel. 145 00:23:02.150 --> 00:23:21.320 Dave Price: like, what does it feel like? Is there juice? Is there not juice? And going way back when Bruce Braley and Joni Ernst reigned in 2014, I remember what that was like, and I remember going to some Braley rallies versus some Ernst rallies, and Ernst, you could feel the juice and energy, and Braley, you could not, right? And I could give a long… 146 00:23:21.320 --> 00:23:29.380 Dave Price: laundry list of things where you could sort of feel that. So I was really trying to do that at the Feenstra event, because Feenstra… 147 00:23:29.390 --> 00:23:36.669 Dave Price: And I don’t pretend to get to every rally, because there’s no way you can in this state, it’s too stinkin’ big, but… 148 00:23:36.910 --> 00:23:50.009 Dave Price: I wanted to see… alright, down the stretch, it’s a Wednesday house party hosted by the mayor of West Des Moines, Russ Trimble, who is also a long-time Senate Republican caucus staffer, and I believe he was on the caucus staff. 149 00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:53.260 Dave Price: when Feenstra was a state senator, I’m pretty sure. 150 00:23:53.260 --> 00:23:54.630 Laura Belin: Yes, he was. 151 00:23:54.630 --> 00:24:04.880 Dave Price: So, he and his wife hosted this party, and it was, as Aaron Murphy, pointed out in his story covering it from Wednesday night, it was sort of like a who’s who, right? 152 00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:15.119 Dave Price: Terry Bransted was there, so it was good to see. He’s had… he’s had a lot of serious health issues. He’s in a wheelchair now, so he really… he’s dealing with a bunch of stuff, but you could tell he was sort of… 153 00:24:15.210 --> 00:24:26.829 Dave Price: I think he was happy to be back in the game, and he was an endorser of Feenstra, and he spoke, before Feenstra did as well. His wife was there, various mayors, metro, city council members. 154 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:37.409 Dave Price: Lieutenant Governor Chris Knoyer was there, Secretary of Ag Mike Nank was there. The one thing that was interesting to me was that it was definitely not like a pep rally-like… 155 00:24:37.840 --> 00:24:50.499 Dave Price: get out the boat kind of thing at, like, an event center type thing, where you’ve got a bunch of screaming people, let’s go, you know, kind of thing. It… no doubt it was a who’s who kind of thing. 156 00:24:50.590 --> 00:25:03.009 Dave Price: But Feenstra kind of did his standard stump speech at this, which was a lot about his biography, and meeting his wife at a pizza ranch, and all this stuff, and when he worked at the candy company and all that. And I just found it… 157 00:25:03.210 --> 00:25:10.689 Dave Price: Kind of an interesting thing to do so late in the game, that this is how they chose to spend their time. 158 00:25:10.840 --> 00:25:24.289 Dave Price: And it may totally be nothing, and Feanstra gets 42% on primary night, and I’m like, I’m crazy. Like, I’m making something of nothing. But it was just interesting to me that late in the game, this is how they thought 159 00:25:24.970 --> 00:25:31.280 Dave Price: Would be… I don’t know that it was a campaign fundraiser, I didn’t honestly ask, I don’t think it was. 160 00:25:31.540 --> 00:25:34.100 Dave Price: It was just an interesting… 161 00:25:34.300 --> 00:25:39.410 Dave Price: gathering. Like, this felt to me like something you would do maybe 6 months ago? 162 00:25:39.730 --> 00:25:49.060 Dave Price: when you’re maybe giving a little inside strategy to all these VIPs about, here’s what we’re gonna do, and blah blah blah. So I don’t know if it’s anything at all, and I guess we’ll know Tuesday night, but it… 163 00:25:49.060 --> 00:25:49.570 Kathie Obradovich: Cheers. 164 00:25:49.570 --> 00:25:51.580 Dave Price: Struck me as a little interesting. 165 00:25:51.920 --> 00:26:09.099 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, Robin Opsel covered it for Iowa Capital Dispatch, and as I was reading the story, I responded back, you know, we Slack back and forth as we’re editing, etc, and one of my questions was, you know, was this a, you know. 166 00:26:09.100 --> 00:26:15.409 Kathie Obradovich: Was this a fundraiser, or was this open to the public? I mean, was this an invitation-only event? 167 00:26:15.410 --> 00:26:18.809 Kathie Obradovich: And Robin responded that it felt like a fundraiser. 168 00:26:18.810 --> 00:26:20.240 Dave Price: And it very well could have been. 169 00:26:20.240 --> 00:26:20.850 Kathie Obradovich: I just didn’t. 170 00:26:20.850 --> 00:26:21.850 Dave Price: And that’s on me. 171 00:26:21.850 --> 00:26:33.080 Kathie Obradovich: But it… but not… that’s not really the kind of thing you do with your closing argument, that you bring in, you know, the who’s who of Republican politics. 172 00:26:33.160 --> 00:26:57.920 Kathie Obradovich: Only. I mean, it seems like you want to show support, not just from the establishment core of the party, but you want to show that you’ve got, you know, public that are excited about you, and… and yeah, I… this event was not that, definitely not. So, so… and for you to say that he gave a 173 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:06.439 Kathie Obradovich: standard stump speech that, you know, everybody, first of all, everybody has heard before, but all these people who already know Randy Feenstra already know. 174 00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:31.390 Kathie Obradovich: You know, he’s not giving you a strategy on how he’s gonna win, he’s telling you that he met his wife in a pizza ranch. So I… I do think it’s a… it was an odd type of event. And when you think about how few events did they actually even notify the media about, let alone invite reporters to come, I mean, this is the one that they wanted to be out there from Central Iowa, and this is, you know, this is what they’re doing, so… 175 00:27:31.730 --> 00:27:37.569 Dave Price: And it was Terry Brainstead’s return, first time he’s been out there, so that was, I’m sure, a big deal for the campaign. 176 00:27:37.570 --> 00:27:38.390 Laura Belin: Well… 177 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:45.949 Laura Belin: I’m at a disadvantage because Randy Feenstra’s campaign doesn’t have me on their press list, so I did not know about this event or attend this event, but… 178 00:27:45.950 --> 00:27:58.629 Laura Belin: I think it’s absolutely deranged to do an insider’s house party in the final week of a very competitive primary. As you said, Dave, this is something that maybe you do 6 months ago, but 179 00:27:58.630 --> 00:28:15.300 Laura Belin: But in general, Randy Feenstra’s campaign has never tried to build a crowd for anything. He’s been doing these small pizza ranch gatherings for 20 or 25 or fewer people, and meanwhile, Zach Lane is doing these big 180 00:28:15.300 --> 00:28:26.060 Laura Belin: packed town hall meetings where he’s able to get 100 or 150 people there, and I just don’t… I think that Randy Feenstra and his handlers 181 00:28:26.060 --> 00:28:44.739 Laura Belin: they never really gave him an opportunity to learn how to get better at this. This is why Rob San does 100 town halls a year, and you get a lot better at developing a feel for the crowd and getting a sense of what people want to hear from you, and he just doesn’t seem to have that capacity. 182 00:28:46.500 --> 00:29:00.430 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I… it is odd, and, you know, I think, you know, that Randy Feenstra’s supporters have raised concerns about the approach to the campaign. 183 00:29:00.570 --> 00:29:25.419 Kathie Obradovich: You know, at different times as well. And, so yeah, and it’s not that he’s not getting around the state, because I think he has, it’s just, as you just said, Laura, these are small events, and for the most part, they’re not inviting the media, so they’re, you know, they’re sort of happening in a vacuum while everything that the other candidates are doing, they’re making sure that they’re, inviting the media, get, you know, trying to get some of that sort of earned 184 00:29:26.090 --> 00:29:34.280 Kathie Obradovich: Media to help, you know, expand or amplify what they’re trying to do with their advertising. 185 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:51.569 Dave Price: Okay, we’ve spent a lot of time on this competitive race because we have so many developments on this. Let’s close out with the Senate Democrats, though. This is simpler since we have two people here, right? Zach Walls and Josh Turek. So much outside spending. 186 00:29:51.890 --> 00:30:05.229 Dave Price: that probably gives Zach Wall’s nightmares about this 10 million plus, or whatever it is, outside money benefiting Josh Turek, which… that is a lot to overcome. 187 00:30:05.340 --> 00:30:12.050 Dave Price: There’s no way that Zach Walls is going to be able to compete financially with an ad blitz. 188 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:26.780 Dave Price: Perhaps he was a little better well-known, maybe, when this race started, but that really gets Josh Turek’s biographical story out to the masses pretty quickly and in a big-time way, Laura. 189 00:30:27.390 --> 00:30:51.070 Laura Belin: Yeah, I went back and looked. This is more than Fred Hubbell spent going into the 2018 Democratic primary. I think he spent $6 or $7 million, which is a lot for a Democratic primary. And I think it’s clear, earlier this year, there were a couple of polls that seemed to show Zach Walls ahead of Josh Sturek, I think, because Walls had higher name ID. And so, when you have… 190 00:30:51.070 --> 00:30:54.230 Laura Belin: one outside group, VoteVets, spending 191 00:30:54.230 --> 00:31:12.090 Laura Belin: far more, several times more than both Walls and Turek combined, it is hard to compete, and we have not seen any last-minute attack ads on TV, so I think that that suggests that Turek’s people feel pretty comfortable with where they are going into the primary. 192 00:31:12.910 --> 00:31:17.979 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, we’ve got, you know, I tried to bring up VoteBets earlier, mistakenly, but… but that’s a $10 million. 193 00:31:17.980 --> 00:31:19.489 Dave Price: Too many Zachs in this race. 194 00:31:19.490 --> 00:31:20.130 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah. 195 00:31:20.130 --> 00:31:20.720 Dave Price: Problem. 196 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:32.920 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, well, I was drinking coffee, but apparently not enough. Yeah, so Boat Vets, though, has spent $10 million in this race, to benefit Turek. 197 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:50.629 Kathie Obradovich: And so that is… and that’s just since mid-March. So, you know, you think, you know, you look at the, you know, probably several million more have been spent since then. And, you know, much… yes, Zach Wells has some outside spending as well. 198 00:31:50.630 --> 00:32:03.089 Kathie Obradovich: But nothing approaching that $10 million figure. So, I mean, you know, I do, think that Zach Wells has been trying to insulate himself a little bit, by, you know. 199 00:32:03.210 --> 00:32:21.309 Kathie Obradovich: giving, Turek a hard time about, his, you know, quote, dark money and support from the national, Senate, Democratic leadership, etc. But, you know, ultimately, 200 00:32:21.360 --> 00:32:36.750 Kathie Obradovich: you know, I think Turek’s, one of his biggest disadvantages was his, lack of name ID compared to, Zach Walls, and all of this spending really sort of erased… erased that issue, so… 201 00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:40.449 Dave Price: Laura, you may be the best, 202 00:32:41.770 --> 00:33:00.740 Dave Price: best one in touch with a lot of these, primary groups, democratic groups and primary activists and that, not to discount any of Kathie sources. But I know you go and speak to some of these groups sometime. And I had wondered, going into this race, 203 00:33:01.060 --> 00:33:11.820 Dave Price: When you look at policy between these two, sort of same thing we said from the Republican gubernatorial field, no doubt you’re gonna find some nuanced differences, how they talk about stuff. 204 00:33:12.030 --> 00:33:28.780 Dave Price: How they stress certain things, whatever. But what was going to be more important to the primary electorate, where Democrats have had their teeth kicked in for so many straight elections in this state, right? And so you have… 205 00:33:29.110 --> 00:33:35.560 Dave Price: One guy who represents A purple at best, if not slightly red… 206 00:33:35.990 --> 00:33:42.330 Dave Price: District, but one, versus a guy whose present district is very blue. 207 00:33:42.350 --> 00:33:57.200 Dave Price: And I was always wondering through this whole process, and I guess we find out Tuesday, I wish we had some good exit polls on this, but that if there’s, like, a tiebreaker for people who are the ones who are going to show up in that primary, are they looking at electability 208 00:33:57.250 --> 00:34:06.290 Dave Price: And if they’re like, alright, Turek represents an area where it’s tougher to win, you know, is that a tiebreaker for them? You know, like, how many people are thinking like that? 209 00:34:06.360 --> 00:34:22.480 Laura Belin: I think, anecdotally, a ton of Democrats are thinking about electability. I’ve heard that from so many people, but they really like both these guys. They’re just trying to figure out who has the best chance to win. I mean, there’s intense frustration, though, from the people who support Zach Walls. 210 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:42.259 Laura Belin: about this mountain of outside money, and the way it seems to be tied to Washington, D.C, even though it’s not directly from the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee. People remember how Washington, D.C. Democrats got involved in the 2016 primary for Patty Judge, and then in the 2020 primary. 211 00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:53.030 Laura Belin: for Teresa Greenfield, and neither of those candidates were successful, so I think there’s a lot of frustration. But electability, I do think that’s been one of the biggest things driving people 212 00:34:53.030 --> 00:35:12.499 Laura Belin: to Turek, because there aren’t a lot of differences on the issue. There are a few things where their votes are different, but ideologically, these candidates are much more similar than what we’ve seen in some Democratic primaries, where there’s more of, let’s say, an establishment candidate, and then more of a Bernie Sanders-type candidate. 213 00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:20.109 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, it… the outside money cuts both ways, I mean, and this is something that we… I think we’ve talked about here with the… 214 00:35:20.110 --> 00:35:43.719 Kathie Obradovich: you know, sort of argument by Zach Walls against Turk of being, you know, the… being Chuck Schumer’s boy, you know? That outside money, comes in handy in the general election, where the, you know, we know that Ashley Hinson, what has she got, like, $7 million in the bank or something like that? I mean, we know she’s well-funded, we know that she will have access to whatever resources 215 00:35:43.720 --> 00:35:59.020 Kathie Obradovich: that she needs or wants. And so, you know, yes, does it make people queasy that, you know, our, you know, primary is being fueled here by, you know, millions and millions of dollars of outside money? 216 00:35:59.020 --> 00:36:05.920 Kathie Obradovich: Probably. But on the other hand, you can’t, fight fire with, you know. 217 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:21.739 Kathie Obradovich: crumbs. So, you, you do have, there is that competitive issue, and, and, and I, I think that it’s… it is a different era than, you know, when we were talking about, 218 00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:27.779 Kathie Obradovich: you know, Patty Judge’s campaign, for example. So, it’ll be… it’ll be interesting to see what happens. I mean, the… 219 00:36:27.780 --> 00:36:50.990 Kathie Obradovich: that outside money, yeah, it does make people sick, I think, and, you know, it undermines credibility when candidates are talking about, you know, well, we’re gonna, you know, we’re gonna fight the special interests, you know, when the special interests are the ones who sent you, right? But yeah, and on the other hand, you’ve got to have money to be competitive in the general election. 220 00:36:51.360 --> 00:37:16.149 Dave Price: And we… it’s not like Zach Walz hasn’t raised any money, so we don’t want to make it sound like, while he doesn’t benefit from this outside money, he had… they both have raised about the same amount of money as a… as a campaign, right? All throughout. Walz has kind of made this theme that I’m also curious, you know, without the policy differences or substantial differences between 221 00:37:16.150 --> 00:37:19.609 Dave Price: the two of them. He has largely run this 222 00:37:19.610 --> 00:37:30.180 Dave Price: Turek’s this insider guy. I’m out there to take on the system. He had Elizabeth Warren here to campaign with them, and I’m wondering how strong 223 00:37:30.180 --> 00:37:47.660 Dave Price: for those who are sort of disgusted by the outside money, how strong is that faction? And is that enough for him to turn out enough primary voters to overcome this massive ad blitz that Turek is able to, to benefit from? 224 00:37:48.710 --> 00:37:59.610 Kathie Obradovich: I mean, Zach Walsh has a lot of experience, I think, in, in turning out voters. You know, I do think that he, 225 00:37:59.610 --> 00:38:10.010 Kathie Obradovich: he’s, you know, a younger candidate. He can talk about, you know, sort of the next generation of leadership, although not that he’s that much younger than Josh Turk. 226 00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:29.250 Kathie Obradovich: But I, you know, I have to, you know, if… I would, you know, give the edge to walls when it turns… when it comes to get out the vote, except for, as I said before, that, you know, vote vets, etc. I think it’s gonna… they’re gonna be helpful in terms of Josh Turek’s efforts. 227 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:44.520 Laura Belin: I struggle to see Zach Walz as an outsider candidate. I view this primary as more of different groups of insiders having different preferences. I mean, Zach Walz has dozens of endorsements from prominent people in politics, from 228 00:38:44.520 --> 00:38:52.639 Laura Belin: Fred Hubbell to Patty Judge to Dave Loebsack. When he was first running for the State Senate, he had a lot of support from 229 00:38:52.640 --> 00:39:10.819 Laura Belin: parts of the Democratic establishment, so I guess I don’t see that as one of the more credible arguments. But clearly, of the Washington, D.C. insiders in this election, clearly more of them prefer Josh Turek. That’s accurate, but I don’t… on the flip side, I just… 230 00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:14.580 Laura Belin: don’t see Zach Walls as an outsider to Iowa politics. 231 00:39:14.720 --> 00:39:30.780 Dave Price: We’re talking about insiders. I, so let’s, as we close out this week, I’m gonna share a little bit of, inside, maybe the inside scoop on this, on this podcast. I think as we were putting this together, part of our plan was maybe we… 232 00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:39.720 Dave Price: We talk each week and get through the primary campaign. This is gonna sound like… I can’t remember how my son praises this. 233 00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:44.420 Dave Price: When you brag about yourself, what’s that called? The kids call this something. 234 00:39:44.420 --> 00:39:45.500 Laura Belin: Humble brag. 235 00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:46.649 Dave Price: Yeah, humble brag? 236 00:39:46.650 --> 00:39:47.230 Laura Belin: It’s… 237 00:39:47.230 --> 00:39:54.950 Dave Price: Maybe that’s what they… yeah, you’re probably… see, you’re more connected. Humble brag is… that’s probably it. 238 00:39:55.310 --> 00:40:08.280 Dave Price: But this has been super fun, and we’ve seen how this podcast has grown, so we… I think our preference would be… this could be an incredibly fun… 239 00:40:09.570 --> 00:40:19.659 Dave Price: It’s alright, we’re all nerds, we can say fun, right? Like, this stuff is fun. But super interesting, we have so many dynamics to follow for the rest of the year, because this is an election year. Plus. 240 00:40:19.720 --> 00:40:33.800 Dave Price: I just think Iowa politics is fascinating anyway. There’s always so much stuff to talk about. So, I suppose, we’re gonna turn this into a fundraising ask here, I guess, and I hope this is appropriate, but for all of you 241 00:40:34.390 --> 00:40:44.199 Dave Price: who have been watching, reading, or listening to this. Obviously, first of all, thank you very much. This has been such a super fun and humbling process. 242 00:40:44.470 --> 00:40:58.769 Dave Price: To kind of build this out. So it’s fun to be able to have this platform, so we’re super appreciative for that. For those of you who’ve become financial supporters, an additional thank you to all of that, because that allows us to do this. 243 00:40:58.930 --> 00:41:13.830 Dave Price: So, our ask now would be to help us keep this thing going. We very much appreciate all the support in the past. Each one of you, when you make a contribution, no matter what, in what form it is, monthly. 244 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:27.339 Dave Price: one… one donation, whatever it is. We very much appreciate that. But to keep this going, we have to keep doing this. So if you would please, click on the link that’ll accompany this so that… 245 00:41:27.340 --> 00:41:44.010 Dave Price: we can continue the fundraising efforts to keep this going, because we definitely want to… we may take a brief break, maybe late summer or something like that, as we all enjoy some time off, hopefully. We’ve got a huge trip that I’m really fired up about that my son has put together, too, but… 246 00:41:44.170 --> 00:41:57.439 Dave Price: That’s a whole other… that’s a whole other podcast. But we really want to keep, keep this thing going in the future, and, we’ve got some ideas about ways to do some interactive conversations with you, too. So… 247 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:04.460 Dave Price: If you would, please, if you would consider becoming a paid subscriber of this, this very much helps us to… 248 00:42:04.530 --> 00:42:07.269 Dave Price: to keep this conversation going. I look forward… 249 00:42:07.270 --> 00:42:08.940 Laura Belin: Making a one-time donation. 250 00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:10.630 Dave Price: For sure. Yeah, thank you. 251 00:42:10.770 --> 00:42:18.729 Dave Price: I very much look forward to next week’s podcast, because we will have so much to talk about. We will… 252 00:42:18.780 --> 00:42:40.090 Dave Price: Obviously, we know in most of these races, we will have winners by that point. We’ll see if we have a declared winner in the Republican primary race for governor. Who would have thought we’d be talking about that? We will see if this poll that we talked about, if it picked up on anything, or if Feenstra, or somebody else, perhaps, clinches this sucker on primary night, so… 253 00:42:40.090 --> 00:42:46.380 Dave Price: Thank you very much to both of you. I know we went a long time today, but we had so much to talk about, so… all good, right? 254 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:47.050 Laura Belin: That’s fun. 255 00:42:47.050 --> 00:42:55.529 Dave Price: Have a good weekend, both of you. Look forward to talking to you next week, and thanks to all of you for joining us this week. We will talk to you next week. Get full access to Iowa Down Ballot at iowawriterscollaborative.substack.com/subscribe [https://iowawriterscollaborative.substack.com/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=CTA_4]

Iowa Down Ballot with Dave Price 5-23-26

We debriefed on the Gray Media/KCCI Republican gubernatorial debate, which Dave helped moderate. Four of five candidates participated — Zach Lahn, Adam Steen, Brad Sherman, and Eddie Andrews — with Randy Feenstra a no-show despite the debate being scheduled on a Saturday to accommodate him. Lahn and Steen had the strongest showings. Lahn stayed on message with his four systemic issues, while Steen spent notable time invoking Rob Sand, positioning himself as the candidate ready for a general election fight. The H-1B visa exchange was telling — Dave tried to focus on legal temporary workers that Iowa industries depend on, but most candidates steered toward undocumented immigration instead. Surprisingly, none of the candidates went after each other much, and Feenstra was barely mentioned. We also covered Governor Reynolds signing the Iowa MAHA bill with RFK Jr. in attendance. The bill has some bipartisan appeal — screen time limits in classrooms, food dye restrictions in school lunches — but also some sharp edges, including a SNAP waiver tied to Iowa’s quirky sales tax food definitions and a provision protecting pharmacists who dispense ivermectin without a prescription. Fundraising numbers are coming next week, right before the primary. We’ll dedicate pretty much all of next week’s show to a primary primer. Stay tuned! Auto-generated transcript below: Dave Price: Hello, everybody. Well, welcome back to the Iowa Down Ballot podcast. I’m Dave Price, joined by Kathie Obradovich and Laura Belin. Hello to you on a Friday as we record this. 2 00:00:19.450 --> 00:00:21.730 Kathie Obradovich: Hey! Happy holiday weekend! 3 00:00:21.980 --> 00:00:29.719 Dave Price: Indeed, Memorial Day weekend, indeed. Hey, I’m gonna selfishly start with a topic that I was part of. 4 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:53.540 Dave Price: Which is super arrogant, so I’m gonna, most of the time, sort of stop, step aside and let you two dive into this, but, my TV station group with Gray Media partnered with KCCITV in Des Moines, so we had this statewide debate. Four of the five Republican candidates for governor agreed to take part in this, unlike the Iowa Public TV debate. 5 00:00:54.230 --> 00:01:07.410 Dave Price: Where Zach Lahn protested and said, if Randy Feenster doesn’t come, neither am I. He gave up that protest and decided to take part in this, and, clearly got a lot more attention from doing the debate. 6 00:01:07.510 --> 00:01:13.069 Dave Price: 90 minutes, we did this, recorded it on a Saturday, and I just wanted to lay out 7 00:01:13.070 --> 00:01:29.440 Dave Price: why things worked the way they did. It was not because we wanted to record a debate on a Saturday and tape it and air it later, it was to give the best chance to get Congressman Feenstra to say yes, because he had not said yes to any of the other debates. 8 00:01:29.440 --> 00:01:53.370 Dave Price: in this cycle. So the thinking was, hey, let’s offer on a Saturday, even if he has to be in DC, he can fly back, which he comes home on the weekends anyway, so he could do it. But anyway, that didn’t work. But the other four said yes. So before I blather on about the behind-the-scenes stuff, Kathie, how about you lead off here? What was your takeaway? 90 minutes, what’d you think? 9 00:01:53.370 --> 00:02:13.300 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, so, first of all, I was glad that you had 4 out of the 5 candidates. I think it was a smarter, much smarter move for Zach Lahn to join, and certainly, Ed, as you said, I think you probably did get a lot more attention out of it. Couple of quick observations. 10 00:02:13.300 --> 00:02:32.990 Kathie Obradovich: We did hear some differences, among the candidates on a couple of issues, which is always, you know, makes it a little, you know, makes a little news, which is, you know, what debate organizers are always hoping for, right? A little bit of news. You know, they… a little bit of difference in terms of 11 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:49.919 Kathie Obradovich: how you treat H-1B visas, so essentially guest workers, to come into the country and fill jobs, you know, especially, jobs where there’s a shortage. So a little bit of difference among the candidates on that issue, and then also, I think, a little difference 12 00:02:49.920 --> 00:03:14.210 Kathie Obradovich: Among how you go about water quality and, the farm chemicals related to Iowa’s cancer issue. And, so I, so we did hear some differences among those candidates. And the other… one other observation I’ll just mention, before we dive into any detail is, I think that, Adam Steen mentioned Rob Sand more than anybody 13 00:03:14.320 --> 00:03:36.969 Kathie Obradovich: He certainly mentioned it more than anybody else… him more than anybody else on stage, but also mentioned him more than he mentioned Randy Feenster, which I thought was interesting, that Adam Stein, at least as one candidate, seems to be looking beyond the primary already, to try to make some general election arguments. So I thought those three things stood out. 14 00:03:38.190 --> 00:03:40.699 Dave Price: Laura, what’d you take away from this? 15 00:03:41.720 --> 00:03:54.960 Laura Belin: So as a former high school debater, I always look at this as who was most successful in coming in and getting out the messages that they want to get out, and I think Zach Lahn and Adam Steen definitely had the most successful debate. 16 00:03:54.960 --> 00:04:19.959 Laura Belin: Zach Lahn came in there in his opening statement, talking about the four systemic issues that he always talks about. Kids were top four in the country in terms of kids leaving the state. We’re losing family farms, we used to be number one for education and we’re not, and we have this fast-growing cancer rate. And then he was repeatedly able to bring answers to other questions back to some of these central 17 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:44.809 Laura Belin: systemic issues that he talks about. And Adam Stein, what Kathie mentioned, it really struck me how often he mentioned Rob Sand, how he positioned himself as someone who knows Rob Sand because he’s seen him up close, because he’s worked in state government, and he can take on Rob Sand. So I felt like they both came in there and got the messages out. And regarding the water quality, Zach Lahn has been very open, and 18 00:04:44.810 --> 00:04:59.459 Laura Belin: cancer, he said, you know, these big ag companies have not been honest about their harmful products. And Adam Steen, it seemed to me very deliberate that he, on several occasions, was like, I’m not putting the blame on farmers, you know, farmers are trying to do the right thing. So I thought. 19 00:04:59.770 --> 00:05:17.840 Laura Belin: angling to get that rural vote. And I felt that Brad Sherman was trying, he mentioned several times that being a pastor and trying to bring God into this equation, but I just feel like that was an attempt to compete with Adam Steen, who has the endorsement of the family leader, and I don’t know that it was really successful. 20 00:05:18.410 --> 00:05:38.329 Kathie Obradovich: Brad Sherman, by the way, I think was… I could be wrong about this, but I think he was the only one who said that he wanted mandatory, conservation measures by farmers in order to try to control nutrients going into Iowa’s waterways. And I think he was the only candidate who said he, you know, he did… he did actually want 21 00:05:38.330 --> 00:05:43.660 Kathie Obradovich: some mandatory regulation there. So I thought that was interesting. 22 00:05:44.080 --> 00:05:51.820 Dave Price: And there was not… clearly, for this 90 minutes, there were not a lot of mandatory calls. Most of the things they talked about, whether it was 23 00:05:51.820 --> 00:06:05.710 Dave Price: ag-related, water-related, cancer-related, whatever, was… would be voluntary toward this. I thought, Kathie, you mentioned the H-1B visas, and Zach Lahn has a commercial specifically about that. 24 00:06:06.090 --> 00:06:23.419 Dave Price: I was listening to that, listening to them talk about this, I was thinking almost the disconnect, if you will, between what they were largely saying when it comes to immigration versus what the business community was talking about. And I’m not… 25 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:27.579 Dave Price: Before we get some, messages on this. 26 00:06:27.620 --> 00:06:46.539 Dave Price: I’m not saying the business community, I’m not saying any of these for… nobody’s talking about violent criminals who are living in the country illegally, doing a bunch of bad stuff. We’re not talking about that stuff. And what I specifically asked about, because I was trying to tailor these in a certain direction. 27 00:06:46.590 --> 00:06:56.430 Dave Price: was I wanted to talk about the legal… those who are here legally with some kind of temporary legal permission to work here, and 28 00:06:56.490 --> 00:07:02.009 Dave Price: We have a variety of industries in this state that rely on those 29 00:07:02.930 --> 00:07:14.979 Dave Price: workers. Education, healthcare, ag, there’s probably something else I’m not thinking of, just business overall, I suppose. And so, when I talk to business folks, they want that pipeline still. 30 00:07:15.260 --> 00:07:30.279 Dave Price: I don’t know that these four on the stage, they were communicating that same thing. Now, maybe Eddie Andrews did a little bit when he was talking about, you know, he’s recruited tech workers as part of his professional career, but Lahn was very much… 31 00:07:30.630 --> 00:07:36.440 Dave Price: you know, Iowa universities are for Iowans, and we don’t want any of these people teaching. 32 00:07:36.540 --> 00:07:41.709 Dave Price: That, that to me was an interesting theme that came up throughout this. 33 00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:56.659 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, and Adam Steen also, you know, basically was saying he wanted to bar, the universities and other… it sounded like, most of government, or maybe all of government, from… from having H-1B. 34 00:07:56.660 --> 00:08:10.499 Kathie Obradovich: visas. And, you know, I think that that probably is about as far as you can go. You know, H-1B visa rules are really federal. We’re talking about federal legislation here. 35 00:08:10.850 --> 00:08:35.210 Kathie Obradovich: You know, and so stopping a private business from, you know, sponsoring H-1B visas, I think, would be pretty difficult for an Iowa governor to do. You know, I think that, you know, certainly stopping… they certainly would have the power to stop state government from hiring, you know, H-1B visa holders, so… 36 00:08:35.470 --> 00:08:47.899 Kathie Obradovich: So yeah, it’s… I’m thinking this… we had a story this week about, a medical researcher from Ukraine who 37 00:08:48.010 --> 00:09:05.520 Kathie Obradovich: came as, you know, when the wars… when Russia invaded Ukraine, he was able to come to the U.S. during the Biden administration. He has a visa, working at University of Iowa Healthcare, and doing this, like, really high-level medical research. 38 00:09:05.520 --> 00:09:11.750 Kathie Obradovich: And, he ended up having to, leave the country. 39 00:09:11.750 --> 00:09:18.350 Kathie Obradovich: For, personal reasons, or maybe it was a university, trip. 40 00:09:18.350 --> 00:09:43.129 Kathie Obradovich: I can’t remember, but then he couldn’t get back in, and he’s been waiting, I think, you know, it’s, like, over a year and a half. His family’s here, he’s trying to get a visa to get back in, and this is, like, high-level research that, you know, we’re not… we don’t have, you know, an Iowan just waiting to step into that position. And so… so I, you know, I do think you have to be… 41 00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:51.939 Kathie Obradovich: You know, you have to really think about what… what exactly it is that we’re trying to accomplish with this, besides a political message. 42 00:09:52.220 --> 00:09:57.010 Laura Belin: Dave, I could tell that you were really trying to target your question to these legal 43 00:09:57.450 --> 00:10:22.159 Laura Belin: legal workers here for… but I felt like the candidates were just trying to answer the question they wanted to answer, which was about undocumented, and especially Adam Steen, who used that as an opportunity to talk about how he supports President Trump’s immigration policy. By the way, I just went back and looked at my notes about the regulation, and I think that… I think that Brad Sherman said that he would prefer just to do it through education, and that 44 00:10:22.160 --> 00:10:27.039 Laura Belin: making the information available that farmers would want to do the right thing. So I don’t know that he… 45 00:10:27.040 --> 00:10:27.650 Kathie Obradovich: Oh, okay. 46 00:10:27.650 --> 00:10:32.909 Laura Belin: I don’t know that he expressly said he wanted more regulation, and Zach Lahn was similar, that 47 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:39.240 Laura Belin: He’d like to incentivize the good behavior rather than regulate and tell people what they can’t do. 48 00:10:39.830 --> 00:10:40.380 Kathie Obradovich: Okay. 49 00:10:40.380 --> 00:10:55.510 Dave Price: And I maybe should have said this in the setup, but I didn’t want to get too long-winded. When we were structuring this, and you know, you can have a philosophical debate, putting on a debate, I feel like… debate, debate, putting this thing together, 50 00:10:55.800 --> 00:11:04.109 Dave Price: the format, right? The way this was structured, and KCCI was the… was the home stadium here, if you will, home studio. 51 00:11:04.450 --> 00:11:09.540 Dave Price: This was structured with time limits, and they had assigned one-minute 52 00:11:09.910 --> 00:11:12.859 Dave Price: one minute for all these things. So, to your point, Laura. 53 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:28.050 Dave Price: What I was trying to get from the candidates is, how do you summarize stuff they’ve already said before, and then try to push the conversation forward, right? Realizing that we only have a minute to do it, and we’re talking about really deep stuff. 54 00:11:28.410 --> 00:11:35.050 Dave Price: So, on the surface of it, perhaps that’s a little unfair to ask somebody to solve the cancer crisis in a minute, but… 55 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:42.489 Dave Price: the more targeted we could make those questions, the more I thought we had a better chance of, A, seeing if 56 00:11:42.790 --> 00:11:53.360 Dave Price: these fellas had ideas for these things, and if there was any daylight and difference between the four of them. And we had the ability to do follow-ups, or… 57 00:11:53.540 --> 00:12:01.490 Dave Price: Or what have you, but that was the… that was the… what we were going for, and obviously they were all going to say that they’re against… 58 00:12:01.810 --> 00:12:12.680 Dave Price: undocumented people in the country committing a bunch of crimes and causing mayhem. That’s a given, right? Most people are going to say that. So we were trying to focus, because I have found 59 00:12:12.730 --> 00:12:27.240 Dave Price: it fascinating about, like, we had the, processing plant in Ottumwa that had a couple dozen, whatever it was, maybe it was more than that, folks who were there temporarily on legal visas, but the Trump administration rescinded them. 60 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:34.629 Dave Price: They were awarded under the Biden administration, and they canceled that, and they had to leave, which then left the workforce shortage, too, so… 61 00:12:34.750 --> 00:12:40.329 Dave Price: It’s the legal side of this, the legal temporary side that I was trying to explore a little bit with them. 62 00:12:40.330 --> 00:12:53.839 Laura Belin: And now I’m sorry, I need to correct myself, because I just see that in responding to a later question, Brad Sherman did say that when people’s lives are at stake, the government may need to step in and regulate some of this behavior. So, he did sort of leave the door open to some. 63 00:12:53.840 --> 00:13:09.499 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I think that’s what… that’s what our reporter picked up on, probably. But yeah, and… and to… and to Dave’s point, you know, there’s no perfect way to structure a debate. There’s always going to be trade-offs, you know? And, you know, sometimes, 64 00:13:09.570 --> 00:13:28.719 Kathie Obradovich: with an hour and a half, you know, you could… you could trade up formats a little bit. You could have a segment that is a little bit longer, you know, answers, and a little, you know, some segments that are a little shorter, lightning round, as we’ve talked about. But the fact is that if candidates want to 65 00:13:28.720 --> 00:13:34.940 Kathie Obradovich: play along, they will. And if they don’t want to, you know, good luck, because 66 00:13:34.940 --> 00:13:49.490 Kathie Obradovich: As… I think as Laura mentioned, you know, one of the… I think one of the tenets of, being interviewed anywhere is you answer the question, you know, if you’re a politician, you answer the question you wish you had been. 67 00:13:49.490 --> 00:13:49.930 Dave Price: Yes. 68 00:13:49.930 --> 00:14:06.439 Kathie Obradovich: Right? You don’t… you don’t necessarily always answer the question. And, you know, it is helpful when you have those follow-ups and… and can redirect, and I think that you guys use those pretty effectively to say… but we’re ask… what we’re really asking about is, you know, this topic, yeah. 69 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:16.169 Dave Price: A couple of things. I was maybe a little surprised with how little they talked about Feenstra, and to your point, I’m pretty sure… 70 00:14:16.520 --> 00:14:22.270 Dave Price: I think only Steen mentioned Feenstra, and that might have been once, and it was in this… 71 00:14:22.430 --> 00:14:28.120 Dave Price: I think a bigger swipe lumping him in with Rob Sand and being too tight with China. 72 00:14:28.260 --> 00:14:36.060 Dave Price: And one of the things he mentioned, I don’t know if anybody else said anything about Feenstra at all, which maybe surprised me a little bit. 73 00:14:36.060 --> 00:14:55.320 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, he said, he said that Feaster and Rob Sand, don’t like, private schools, or something like that. Yeah. They wanted to control who private schools can have for students, I think is what he said. Yeah. So, so yeah, lumping those two together, on that particular issue. 74 00:14:55.320 --> 00:15:03.970 Laura Belin: Which is definitely not… doesn’t reflect what Randy Feenstra said, but I… I also made note of that. I don’t think any of the other candidates even mentioned Randy Feenstra at all. 75 00:15:03.970 --> 00:15:07.850 Dave Price: And I thought, this is hard to do on the fly, but… 76 00:15:07.850 --> 00:15:32.830 Dave Price: I guess… I wasn’t sure how aggressive… because going in there, you have to prepare for everything, right? Like, we script out all these questions, we have way more than we have time for. We had two commercial breaks built in, because it was largely three 30-minute segments with the… at the end of the first half hour and the end of the second half hour, you had the commercial breaks. So you have it all structured, so you have to kind of go through your head about, alright, we gotta have time for… to get through all four, maybe there’ll be some follow-ups, maybe they don’t 77 00:15:32.830 --> 00:15:39.070 Dave Price: followed the clock, all that kind of stuff. But, and they largely stuck to the clock, which I was… 78 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:53.269 Dave Price: especially thankful for. They were very respectful of, respectful of the time. They did not come after each other, really, in any way, and I didn’t… I guess I wasn’t really expecting anybody to be… 79 00:15:53.440 --> 00:16:12.819 Dave Price: you know, super aggressive, like, you know, you suck kind of thing. I thought there might be more, maybe, nuanced ways where I grab what you just say and say, you know, I don’t know that that’s the way to go, this is what I would do, or something, to show more of a contrast, but, that really did not… that didn’t happen. 80 00:16:13.220 --> 00:16:15.199 Kathie Obradovich: I expected Lahn and Steen to go. 81 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:15.600 Dave Price: did I. 82 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:33.119 Kathie Obradovich: each other a little bit more. And maybe they’ve been told, or maybe their, you know, supporters are telling them they don’t like that, you know, that they don’t want people, you know, punching each other’s teeth out in a debate, when in fact. 83 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:44.450 Kathie Obradovich: You know, you don’t want a wounded nominee going in to face up against Robert Sands. So it’s possible that they’ve had that feedback, that their supporters just don’t like it. 84 00:16:44.860 --> 00:16:56.240 Dave Price: But yet they do, especially online, some of them will go after Feenstra that hard. Rhino Randy, No Show Randy, all kinds of stuff like that. I totally know what you’re saying there, but I guess I’m… 85 00:16:56.600 --> 00:17:02.590 Dave Price: I thought if they’re willing, so it’s okay to go after Feenstra, but not each other, was kind of the takeaway for me. 86 00:17:02.710 --> 00:17:17.979 Laura Belin: I’ve thought the same thing that I expected, because as I’ve been saying all along, I feel like Zach Lahn and Adam Steen are the biggest threat to each other, in terms of trying to consolidate that non-Feenster vote, but I also think with four candidates on the stage, that’s harder than if it’s just one-on-one. 87 00:17:17.980 --> 00:17:30.099 Laura Belin: then it’s like a zero-sum game, and any points you score against your opponent, you benefit. But if people just don’t like the bickering, they could go and support Brad Sherman or Eddie Andrews, so you don’t really want to drive 88 00:17:30.510 --> 00:17:34.110 Laura Belin: Potential supporters away to a third candidate. 89 00:17:34.380 --> 00:17:45.510 Kathie Obradovich: It also just feels more personal when they’re standing there on the same stage, as opposed to, a TV ad, or an online ad, or, or even. 90 00:17:45.510 --> 00:17:46.130 Dave Price: Lord Warrior. 91 00:17:46.130 --> 00:17:49.460 Kathie Obradovich: You know, kicking an absentee candidate. 92 00:17:49.460 --> 00:17:49.910 Dave Price: Yeah. 93 00:17:50.070 --> 00:18:00.129 Kathie Obradovich: You know, I think… I do think it’s, it has more impact, I think, when you’re standing there next to somebody and saying, you know, you know what you’re talking about. 94 00:18:00.260 --> 00:18:19.049 Dave Price: May I also just say how deflating it was afterwards that… and, you know, we recorded this on a Saturday, it aired on Tuesday, so there are a couple of down days in the middle there, which is, you know, unusual, because you kind of want to know how it’s gone over, and what people take away from it, and all that stuff, so it airs on… it airs on Tuesday. 95 00:18:19.320 --> 00:18:33.050 Dave Price: We put a lot of… obviously, you put a lot of thought into the questions, a lot of thought into, okay, what do I think he’s gonna say here? How do we respond? How do we get specific answers here? What gets left on the cutting room floor? 96 00:18:33.210 --> 00:18:41.339 Dave Price: How do you assemble the whole thing, blah blah blah blah blah. It was set up to be policy-focused, because I thought that would be… 97 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:50.650 Dave Price: the most valuable to primary voters, rather than a bunch of fireworks or, you know, kind of leading questions that almost… 98 00:18:50.650 --> 00:19:06.350 Dave Price: illicit explosive-type results, you know, whatever. So you go through all of this, I thought it was very civil. There was a… there was a moment before we… before we started where Zach Lahn asked Brad Sherman to lead the four of them in prayer. 99 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:07.210 Laura Belin: Hmm. 100 00:19:07.210 --> 00:19:24.579 Dave Price: And they did, so they all gathered, behind the podiums there. I didn’t take any video of it, I’m like, this feels like an intimate moment, I’m not quite sure if I’m intruding or not, and we were also getting our microphones on and all that kind of stuff. But that’s a pretty powerful moment. I was thinking afterwards that… they could have… 101 00:19:24.580 --> 00:19:32.180 Dave Price: probably done that during the debate, really, but it showed that, I think, the faith commitment of all four of them, and it was truly… 102 00:19:34.550 --> 00:19:46.389 Dave Price: what do you want to say? A peaceful moment? I’m not really sure what the right words are there. Like, sometimes I think you envision a debate where it’s gonna be this caustic, we’re gonna fight the whole time. I mean, they were very… 103 00:19:46.520 --> 00:19:52.940 Dave Price: as my son would say, they’re all very chill, you know, and they all got together, they did the prayer, and they all… I mean. 104 00:19:53.040 --> 00:20:09.949 Dave Price: it was like that the whole time, during commercial breaks, before recording, during recording, after recording. Anyway, so you go through all this, we get through a bunch of questions, clearly we didn’t get through a few more topics, which is always disappointing, but I had somebody I ran into. 105 00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:19.310 Dave Price: who’s a Republican activist, who I felt a little aggressively, but whatever, told me this was not a debate. And I go, what? 106 00:20:19.820 --> 00:20:22.499 Dave Price: This was not a debate at all. 107 00:20:23.140 --> 00:20:36.879 Dave Price: And I said, oh, okay, there was no back and forth, there was no nothing. No yelling, no screaming, no… and I said, well, it wasn’t set up to be that way. And I think with the time limits like that, it made it even harder. And I know you’re not… you can’t… 108 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:52.689 Dave Price: take… make your feelings based on one person, but may I just say, that was so stinkin’ deflating, where you intentionally worked to make a civil conversation, sort of so that people know what these guys stand for, and I have this one very, 109 00:20:52.690 --> 00:20:58.210 Dave Price: Very aggressive person who went out of her way to tell me how it sucked, and it was a waste of time. 110 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:01.130 Dave Price: I was like, okay. 111 00:21:01.130 --> 00:21:02.839 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, well, thanks for watching. 112 00:21:02.840 --> 00:21:04.710 Dave Price: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. 113 00:21:04.710 --> 00:21:09.750 Kathie Obradovich: That’s always my, you know, my default response. Well, thanks for reading, thanks for watching. 114 00:21:09.750 --> 00:21:10.430 Dave Price: That’s what. 115 00:21:10.430 --> 00:21:11.050 Kathie Obradovich: Great man. 116 00:21:11.050 --> 00:21:27.339 Dave Price: of Fox News, that’s the way he responds to people on Twitter when they’re really ugly about a bunch of stuff. When they say they’re never gonna watch him again, he’ll say, well, thanks for watching as long as you did, you know, and have a good day, or whatever. And it’s such a… it’s like killing him with kindness, like a little knife right through him. 117 00:21:27.360 --> 00:21:33.719 Dave Price: But that’s probably pretty… I really had no response. I just said, well, that wasn’t the goal. We weren’t trying to get people to yell at each other. 118 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:47.840 Kathie Obradovich: I thought you were gonna say it wasn’t technically a debate, because people, like to, like to, you know, get pedantic, too, about the technical definition of a debate. We used to get that all the time when sponsoring a debate that was really probably 119 00:21:48.020 --> 00:22:04.270 Kathie Obradovich: you know, technically a forum, you know, but, you know, we call it a debate, you know, if the candidates are all on stage at the same time answering the same questions, I think, you know, that’s generally understood to be a debate. 120 00:22:04.550 --> 00:22:05.100 Dave Price: Appreciate that. 121 00:22:05.100 --> 00:22:16.350 Laura Belin: it was a debate. I mean, you… it… I mean, the fact is, they agree on a lot of issues, but it’s still… you were able to tease out some differences among them, so I felt it was a debate. 122 00:22:16.670 --> 00:22:30.030 Dave Price: Okay, speaking of, Governor Kanas, let’s talk about the current governor. She stood next to RFK Jr. this week, twice, for two different events, so we basically had Maha… 123 00:22:30.250 --> 00:22:33.869 Dave Price: Maha nationally met Maha, Iowa. 124 00:22:34.010 --> 00:22:54.180 Dave Price: And it started with the MAHA bill signed into law by Governor Kim Reynolds. That was a ceremony at the State House, and Robert F. Kennedy Jr, the HHS Secretary, was there and spoke for a bit, as well, along with a couple of the legislators that were involved with the process. That was probably… 125 00:22:54.580 --> 00:23:09.379 Dave Price: Might be about the biggest crowd I can remember in the governor’s office in a while. They really had them packed in there, and they had some families in there, and lobbyists, and other supporters and stuff. And then, a couple hours later, they took the show on the road, and they went to Gilbert, just outside of Ames. 126 00:23:09.630 --> 00:23:23.950 Dave Price: where RFK Jr. announced, some new guidance from the Surgeon General about screen time use, for kids, and that was part of the Iowa Maha bill as well. I was… 127 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:30.439 Dave Price: I was thinking afterwards about, man, the Trump administration is committed to Iowa. 128 00:23:30.950 --> 00:23:32.980 Dave Price: They are keeping the people coming. 129 00:23:34.330 --> 00:23:39.799 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, well, Iowa is still first in the nation for presidential campaigns, so that 130 00:23:39.850 --> 00:23:55.380 Kathie Obradovich: definitely makes a difference. Also, I think it reflects on the… you know, the Trump administration has to be concerned if Ruby Redd, you know, pro-Trump Iowa starts, electing Democrats, so I think that won’t be… 131 00:23:55.380 --> 00:24:11.969 Kathie Obradovich: the last we see of Trump administration officials coming, to campaign in Iowa, even though there wasn’t really a campaign event associated with RFK Jr.’s visit. Technically. So, yeah, but, you know, two things. One. 132 00:24:11.980 --> 00:24:21.519 Kathie Obradovich: For, you know, making America healthy again, RFK Jr. sounded like he had a terrible cold. 133 00:24:21.520 --> 00:24:22.789 Dave Price: You know, bad timing, maybe. 134 00:24:22.790 --> 00:24:40.729 Kathie Obradovich: You know, we… he didn’t sound healthy, so, you know, making RFK healthy again, maybe, would be part of, part of the strategy here. And then secondly, you know, there were some, you know, some bipartisan parts of the bill. 135 00:24:40.730 --> 00:24:41.070 Dave Price: And… 136 00:24:41.070 --> 00:24:50.279 Kathie Obradovich: And, and I think that the screen time, which was emphasized then with the Surgeon General’s, advisory, which is not a… 137 00:24:50.480 --> 00:25:01.090 Kathie Obradovich: It wasn’t any kind of prescriptive thing. And, you know, he praised Iowa for, limiting screen time, 138 00:25:01.090 --> 00:25:23.849 Kathie Obradovich: you know, limiting cell phones during classroom time last year, and then this, Maha bill, limited… limited the amount of digital instruction that could be done, or screen time instruction that could be done in schools. And I think that… that part of it was fairly bipartisan, but there were also parts of it that were absolutely not bipartisan, including 139 00:25:23.850 --> 00:25:36.869 Kathie Obradovich: codifying the SNAP limits on food that has a sales tax on it. I won’t say unhealthy food, because 140 00:25:36.870 --> 00:25:54.849 Kathie Obradovich: there’s unhealthy food that is still allowed on SNAP because it doesn’t… is not sales taxed. So, so that part of it, there were… there were other, you know, so that I think that the, you know, taking food, certain food dyes out of 141 00:25:55.020 --> 00:26:09.689 Kathie Obradovich: school lunches was probably… it probably has some bipartisan support, but on the other hand, they also wanted to have waivers for federal nutrition guidelines, including for sodium, which I thought was odd, you know, why… 142 00:26:09.690 --> 00:26:21.950 Kathie Obradovich: why do we want to allow more sodium in, in school lunches? But, you know, there are parts of it that definitely were not bipartisan, and, but I thought that the event 143 00:26:21.950 --> 00:26:25.869 Kathie Obradovich: With the focus on screen time, kind of tried to… tried to… 144 00:26:26.420 --> 00:26:30.089 Kathie Obradovich: Emphasize the part… the bipartisan part of the bill. 145 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:46.270 Laura Belin: So that screen time provision was not part of the governor’s original bill that she introduced, and I remember I was in the House chamber the day they were debating that, and the Democrats were a little bit surprised. That was something that the Republican State Representative Samantha Fett and Democrat Heather Mattson had 146 00:26:46.270 --> 00:27:00.869 Laura Belin: been talking about that, and I don’t know, I can’t remember whether Heather Manson had introduced a bill, but anyway, they… the Democrats were quite surprised when that was part of the Republican amendment that was added to the bill. But I just have to say that with these… the SNAP waiver, that this… 147 00:27:00.990 --> 00:27:24.409 Laura Belin: this law requires Iowa to request these waivers for both the main food assistance program, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance, and then that summer EBT, or Sunbucks that has different names, the Summer Meals for Kids. And nobody really questioned during the event that the governor was saying, hey, yeah, this is going to make sure that people eat healthy food, but as Kathie alluded to, I mean. 148 00:27:24.410 --> 00:27:45.339 Laura Belin: there are the taxable regulations, there’s all kinds of weirdness, and people have… the Iowa Hunger Coalition had a great blog post about this months ago, where it’s like, regular Snickers bars, not allowed, but frozen Snickers bars are allowed because they have dairy, and then, like, cake is allowed because it has flour in it, but not other kinds of candy. So anyway, it’s… 149 00:27:45.340 --> 00:28:04.630 Laura Belin: it’s really… I mean, there’s prepared food. I mean, if you buy, like, a cut-up fruit salad, I guess it depends on whether it comes with a fork or a spoon. That determines whether it’s taxable or not. They’re all healthy, right? So, I think this is not necessarily the way you want to get at incentivizing people to eat healthy foods, but 150 00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:11.250 Laura Belin: It does take away the power of the next governor to decide whether this is a waiver that they want. 151 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:22.379 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, isn’t there kind of a poison pill in there, too? Did they pass that, that law saying that if Iowa doesn’t get that waiver, going forward, that they just won’t participate? 152 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:24.370 Laura Belin: Yes, As part of the summary. 153 00:28:24.370 --> 00:28:27.349 Kathie Obradovich: Right. Yeah, so that’s. 154 00:28:27.350 --> 00:28:47.139 Laura Belin: So that means that if there’s a Democratic administration in Washington and they don’t want to grant the waiver, then Iowa would not be taking that money for the summer meals for the kids who qualify for free or reduced price lunch. I also thought it was interesting at the event, I don’t think anybody mentioned the ivermectin part of the bill that says… I don’t think so. 155 00:28:47.140 --> 00:28:59.579 Laura Belin: pharmacists can dispense. It was different from a bill that some House Republicans had introduced that would have required pharmacists to dispense ivermectin. The way it’s written in this bill is that pharmacists 156 00:28:59.580 --> 00:29:09.430 Laura Belin: couldn’t be punished or disciplined for dispensing ivermectin without a prescription, but I thought that was interesting that everybody seemed to be downplaying that part of the bill. 157 00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:15.930 Dave Price: I just find the whole… the whole Maha movement has… 158 00:29:16.520 --> 00:29:23.159 Dave Price: to me, it’s difficult to describe. There are parts of it… that I feel like… 159 00:29:24.490 --> 00:29:27.070 Dave Price: Where, you know, if you’re on the left, you like… 160 00:29:27.100 --> 00:29:44.510 Dave Price: on the right, you’re like, now this bill has a little bit of a lot of things in there. The ivermectin thing, you know, obviously that… that one doesn’t fit in there. You start talking about food dyes, you start talking about screen times. Kathie, I looked through the guidance from the Surgeon General. I don’t think there was a specific… 161 00:29:44.950 --> 00:29:57.200 Dave Price: because I’m thinking of my 10-year-old 4th grade daughter, 4th grade for only another week, but, you know, so what’s the guidance on how long she’s allowed to be on her iPad? I didn’t see a time limit on there. 162 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:57.650 Kathie Obradovich: - 163 00:29:57.650 --> 00:30:07.430 Dave Price: So I, you know, I did see in this law, I believe it’s an hour of digital instruction per day for elementary students, if I’m remembering correctly. 164 00:30:07.430 --> 00:30:08.800 Laura Belin: K through 5, yep. 165 00:30:08.900 --> 00:30:24.360 Dave Price: Okay, K-5, yeah, so we’ve got one more year that she’ll be in 5th grade, but, so I didn’t see specific side of that, but I’m… I find the whole Maha thing just fascinating. So you’re gonna get… because even the vaccine thing can go… that’s not… 166 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:34.019 Dave Price: you’re gonna have some people on the left who don’t believe in vaccines, you have some people on the right who don’t believe in vaccines. This thing altogether, it’s just a… 167 00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:48.250 Dave Price: I’m curious how far this goes. I mean, big picture, we have… our obesity’s too high, we have… chronic disease is way too high, cancer’s way too high, so what’s the… you know, how do we get after some of this stuff? 168 00:30:49.900 --> 00:31:01.739 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, it’s… I do think it’s interesting the way it does… it’s always interesting in today’s politics whether… whether… if there’s an issue that cuts across partisan lines, and, you know, that… 169 00:31:01.770 --> 00:31:20.050 Kathie Obradovich: it sort of created its own coalition, which, again, you know, makes you wonder sort of what, RFK Jr. might, you know, have in mind for his political future. It’s… and whether there’s enough people who are. 170 00:31:20.150 --> 00:31:35.719 Kathie Obradovich: sort of on board with that approach, to actually make, you know, a viable political movement out of it. Seems… it seems like there’s at least the start of that at this point. Then Iowa would be a good place for him to test that message. 171 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:50.120 Laura Belin: So when my kids were little, 20-some years ago, and I knew a lot of parents of babies and toddlers, and I felt… I just perceived, anecdotally, it just seemed to be more evenly divided, the people who chose not to vaccinate. 172 00:31:50.120 --> 00:31:58.999 Laura Belin: many were more progressive and many were more conservative, but I have seen some studies or polling that, ever since the COVID-19 pandemic. 173 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:04.949 Laura Belin: It’s really swung the anti-vaccine movement is much more heavily conservative. 174 00:32:04.950 --> 00:32:24.489 Laura Belin: than it used to be. And I forgot to pick up earlier on what Dave said. This Trump administration really wants to help prop up Republicans in Iowa. It’s interesting, and I think it’s logical, but considering that Kim Reynolds pretty aggressively campaigned for Ron DeSantis, it’s interesting that Donald Trump doesn’t seem to hold a grudge over that, because. 175 00:32:24.490 --> 00:32:25.020 Dave Price: Hmm. 176 00:32:25.020 --> 00:32:34.000 Laura Belin: holds a lot of grudges against a lot of other Republicans, but it seems like he’s decided to let bygones be bygones when it comes to the Reynolds administration. 177 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:44.320 Kathie Obradovich: Well, except, potentially, the fact that she’s not running for re-election has something to do with that as well. And, you know, who knows what… 178 00:32:44.350 --> 00:33:04.879 Kathie Obradovich: you know, what she assumed might happen, if she decided to run, and Trump, you know, potentially endorsed somebody, a Republican challenger. So… so yeah, I mean, I think he’s not, he’s not holding it against Iowa, whether… whether it’s, you know, whether he, is… 179 00:33:05.080 --> 00:33:11.750 Kathie Obradovich: For, you know, particularly being friendly to the, Reynolds administration, I don’t know. 180 00:33:13.270 --> 00:33:32.980 Dave Price: This seems like a good place to wrap up. We’ve got some fundraising numbers that came out, maybe we can save that for next week, because we’re kind of hitting our sweet spot here. And as we’re recording on a Friday afternoon, one of the three of us in particular has her heavy lift as the editor of the Iowa Capital Dispatch, so it is always 181 00:33:35.350 --> 00:33:42.889 Dave Price: appreciative, by the rest of us especially, that Kathie does this right during crunch time, so, how about we… 182 00:33:42.890 --> 00:33:57.549 Dave Price: we pause and talk about, some of the fundraising stuff for next week. And that’ll be, that’ll be our pre-election show, right? I mean, that’ll be right from a week from now, we’ll be right before the election, so we’ll… we’ll have much to discuss to set that sucker up. 183 00:33:58.190 --> 00:33:59.100 Kathie Obradovich: Excellent. 184 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:08.230 Dave Price: Hey, thank you to all of you who have become new subscribers, and thank you to those who have become new paid subscribers, we appreciate you. 185 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:25.740 Dave Price: making that commitment to help us on the production side of this to keep distributing and producing this podcast each week. We very much appreciate you. And if you would, please share this with your friends and family, coworkers, people in your neighborhood, all that stuff, to allow us to continue to grow, and 186 00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:28.800 Dave Price: Widen our audience and widen this conversation. 187 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.739 Dave Price: Have a great week, and we’re gonna talk big-time primary election next week. Have a great week ahead. 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Iowa Down Ballot with Dave Price 5/16/26

We spent most of this episode breaking down Thursday night’s Democratic U.S. Senate primary debate between Zach Wahls and Josh Turek, moderated by our man Dave! The headline exchange was on abortion — Wahls went after Turek’s missed vote on the six-week ban, and Turek fired back that he was sick at the time due to a disability-related illness, calling the attack disgraceful. Laura dug into the context on that one, noting that the missed vote criticism is a bit of a cheap shot, and that Turek’s committee vote on the Moms program funding was more complicated than Wahls made it sound. The bigger takeaway: these two don’t have many actual policy differences, so the race keeps coming back to electability arguments and voting record attacks. We also previewed Tuesday’s Republican gubernatorial debate — four candidates, 90 minutes, no Feenstra (also moderated in part by Dave!). Zach Lahn is back after sitting out the Iowa PBS debate, and the big question is whether anyone can consolidate the non-Feenstra vote. A late-breaking story about how much time Lahn has been spending in Kansas could come up, though we’ll see if any of his fellow Republicans actually go there. We absolutely love doing this show, and we thank all of you for helping us spread the word it really, seriously helps. We’re planning on going through the June 2nd primary with new episodes dropping each Saturday through June 6th. If you are able to contribute financially, whether that’s through a Substack subscription or a direct contribution to the Iowa Writer’s Collaborative, you can help us go all the way through the Summer! If you’re interested in making a direct contribution, please email me at spencerdirks@gmail.com and I can get you more information. To those of you that already support us with your hard-earned money, THANK YOU!!! Auto-transcript below: 00:00:11.680 --> 00:00:21.029 Dave Price: Welcome back, everybody, to the Iowa Down Ballot podcast. I’m Dave Price, joined, as always, by Kathie Obradovich and Laura Belin. We’re going a little extra early. 2 00:00:21.260 --> 00:00:27.180 Dave Price: On a Friday morning. The coffee has barely even kicked in, so who knows what’s gonna happen in this show. Hey, ladies. 3 00:00:27.520 --> 00:00:28.789 Kathie Obradovich: Hey! Happy Friday! 4 00:00:28.790 --> 00:00:29.460 Laura Belin: Yeah. 5 00:00:29.820 --> 00:00:32.509 Dave Price: Kathie has important duties today. 6 00:00:32.770 --> 00:00:45.380 Kathie Obradovich: I’m on the Iowa Newspaper Association Board. We’re having a meeting today, so my colleagues here graciously agreed to get up early and get going on this thing. 7 00:00:45.380 --> 00:00:47.500 Dave Price: I mean, for the record, I’m always up early with. 8 00:00:47.500 --> 00:00:50.740 Laura Belin: I was gonna say, yeah, I was up 2 hours ago, so… 9 00:00:51.140 --> 00:00:54.710 Dave Price: And you have a doggie who needs to be walked, right? 10 00:00:54.710 --> 00:00:55.190 Laura Belin: Correct. 11 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:57.140 Dave Price: Okay, so… 12 00:00:57.630 --> 00:01:13.499 Dave Price: I was part of a debate on Thursday night. KCCI in Des Moines was the host station, and my company, Gray Media Iowa, our stations across the state took part as co-sponsors 13 00:01:13.500 --> 00:01:26.520 Dave Price: primarily it was KTIV in Sioux City, KCRG in Cedar Rapids, and KWQC, and Davenport and KYOU in Ottumwa. I believe a few other stations, probably stream this as well. 14 00:01:26.520 --> 00:01:37.009 Dave Price: So, I can maybe give a little background on this. I don’t know what you both think about this, but one thing that’s so hard when you’re right there. 15 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:44.039 Dave Price: you go through the debate, and it finishes, and the reporter in me, I’m like, okay, what’s the news out of here? 16 00:01:44.260 --> 00:01:48.899 Dave Price: And, like, it takes me a while… I had to go back home and, like, re-watch it. 17 00:01:49.320 --> 00:02:04.489 Dave Price: Because it couldn’t… there’s just, like, too much stuff going on, and I couldn’t really process… there were moments that stuck out to me, but I’m curious what stuck out to you as you watched Zach Walls and Josh Turek do this hour-long debate? 18 00:02:04.740 --> 00:02:19.880 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, well, first of all, good job last night. I’ve moderated a lot of debates, and I will… I will tell you that I used to always insist that a different reporter would cover the debate, because I… same with me, I could come out of that 19 00:02:19.880 --> 00:02:30.299 Kathie Obradovich: after moderating, and have not a thought in my head about what was actually news, you know? And I’d ask people afterward, did this… did we make news somewhere? 20 00:02:30.300 --> 00:02:30.650 Dave Price: Yeah. 21 00:02:30.920 --> 00:02:35.690 Kathie Obradovich: Because you’re always thinking about, you know, you’ve got the timing, you’ve got 22 00:02:35.690 --> 00:02:59.720 Kathie Obradovich: if you… if you’re on the clock, you have to watch the clock, you know, figuring out who gets the next question first, and, you know, keeping track of all of that, and it’s… it is exhausting. So, believe me, good job on that. You know, I think that the exchange about abortion, was the headline out of that. The, Zach Wahls went after. 23 00:02:59.750 --> 00:03:02.959 Kathie Obradovich: Josh Turek, about… 24 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:19.959 Kathie Obradovich: missing some votes related to reproductive rights and abortion, and particularly the six-week abortion ban vote, and also about a vote on the budget for the Moms program, which is a. 25 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:21.739 Kathie Obradovich: Sort of a… 26 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:32.379 Kathie Obradovich: help for unplanned pregnancies type of program. And, you know, I think that, Turek. 27 00:03:32.380 --> 00:03:47.139 Kathie Obradovich: was ready for most of that, and the memorable point I think he made was that he was sick, when the six-week abortion ban vote was taken, with an illness related to his disability. He said. 28 00:03:47.140 --> 00:03:58.190 Kathie Obradovich: he, you know, that was known at the time that Zach Wahls knew, and he said it was, I don’t remember what the word was, disgusting, or… 29 00:03:58.190 --> 00:03:58.920 Dave Price: Graceful places. 30 00:03:58.920 --> 00:04:16.890 Kathie Obradovich: disgraceful that he would bring that up. So… so that was a pretty memorable exchange. I think it’s, consistent with the previous debates and forums that we’ve seen with these two, with Zach Wells throwing elbows at, Josh Turk’s record, and, really not 31 00:04:17.209 --> 00:04:30.630 Kathie Obradovich: In this particular debate, not a lot of Josh Turek, you know, pushing back at, you know, at Zach Wall’s record, as we saw in the previous debate. 32 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:56.110 Laura Belin: I also liked the questions that they were very direct and on issues that a lot of Democratic primary voters care about, so I appreciated that aspect of it. And I have not moderated a televised debate, but I have moderated candidate forums, and I can relate to that thing that you’re trying to keep track and make sure you get to all the topics and make sure the time is fair, so that it… I think it makes sense to assign somebody else to write the story about the 33 00:04:56.110 --> 00:05:20.789 Laura Belin: debate. I have been looking at this reproductive rights stuff, because the Walz campaign has been pushing this line since January, when the Roe v. Wade anniversary rolled around. And the missed vote, I remember in 2023, I asked a bunch of the legislators who were absent for that vote why they missed it, and so I got that explanation at the time, and Josh Turric had posted at the time that he was against that bill. 34 00:05:20.820 --> 00:05:44.580 Laura Belin: But I do think that it’s fair to say that Council Bluffs, not a socially liberal place, and another thing that Zach Wells brought up is that Josh Turek, until this year, had not co-sponsored or introduced any legislation on reproductive rights, and that’s accurate as far as I can tell. But, you know, representing Coralville and Johnson County is really different from representing Council Bluffs. 35 00:05:44.580 --> 00:05:49.780 Laura Belin: And the missed votes, I just feel like that’s a little bit of a cheap shot, because 36 00:05:49.780 --> 00:06:13.919 Laura Belin: legislators missed some votes. Zach Wells missed a lot of votes around the time his son was born in 2024, and I don’t think anybody points fingers and says, you’re not… you don’t care about that issue because you were absent the day they voted this, that, or the other. I did look into the vote on the Moms program, that’s the money that goes for the crisis pregnancy centers that are not medical clinics, but sometimes present themselves as offering healthcare, and that… 37 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:37.469 Laura Belin: That was a committee vote on a bill that had a lot of pieces to it, including something about creating OBGYN residencies or something. And it wasn’t just Turek. Austin Bates and several of the committee Democrats voted for that bill coming out of committee. Then they all voted, all the Democrats voted against the final version of the bill that had the extra funding for these clinics, this, the moms. 38 00:06:37.470 --> 00:06:46.159 Laura Belin: program. So I think that that’s a little bit… it is accurate that he voted for it out of committee, but I think it kind of misrepresents what that committee vote was about. 39 00:06:46.370 --> 00:07:05.939 Kathie Obradovich: Well, and they had double the money for that mom’s program, apparently, from $500,000 to a million dollars on the floor, which, either… I don’t know if Turk said that during the debate, or if it was something his campaign put out later, but they said that when they raised that funding was a reason to vote against it. 40 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:24.489 Dave Price: I mentioned this during one of my live hits for the TV stations on Thursday night, but that exchange that they had about those missed votes, that is where, as sitting up there on the desk during this, you know, I can… 41 00:07:24.950 --> 00:07:31.879 Dave Price: what I would want to see is, like, a bunch of primary voters hooked up to those little dials and stuff, you know, in the focus room. 42 00:07:31.880 --> 00:07:32.980 Kathie Obradovich: Because I would… 43 00:07:32.980 --> 00:07:38.329 Dave Price: so fascinated how that would go over with people. Like, is Wahls… 44 00:07:38.790 --> 00:07:47.150 Dave Price: making some progress on this by pushing this, or when Tura gives the explanation, are people… 45 00:07:48.530 --> 00:07:59.310 Dave Price: more likely to side with Turek and say, hey, this is… this is kind of wrong, and to your point, you know, this is a cheap shot. Like, how are people viewing this once they know the full picture? 46 00:08:01.210 --> 00:08:23.710 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, you know, we may never know, you know, the responses to that, and I always wonder how important debates really are in the scheme of campaigns, you know? And I do think that the news coverage of debates is probably more viewed than the debates themselves sometimes. 47 00:08:23.710 --> 00:08:24.160 Dave Price: Yeah. 48 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:44.109 Kathie Obradovich: But in a race like this, where it’s… it’s really close, you know, everything matters, and, you know, so I would think debates matter. Can I just say, too, I was fascinated by the responses to your question about which, Republican senators the candidates… 49 00:08:44.110 --> 00:08:45.250 Dave Price: Staying around. 50 00:08:45.250 --> 00:08:58.089 Kathie Obradovich: Most admired. I thought that was interesting. We were kind of wondering about, Zach Wall’s, choice. Didn’t he pick Ruben Gallego? I thought that was an interesting… Josh Terrick did. 51 00:08:58.090 --> 00:09:01.840 Laura Belin: Josh Turek, in terms of current senators you admire, Josh Turek. 52 00:09:02.180 --> 00:09:03.000 Laura Belin: Diego. 53 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:12.829 Kathie Obradovich: Oh, okay, yeah, and then sure picked Grassley as the… which I thought was a pretty safe choice, but, but yeah, I thought that was pretty interesting, 54 00:09:13.060 --> 00:09:16.340 Kathie Obradovich: Responses to those questions. 55 00:09:16.340 --> 00:09:30.979 Laura Belin: I thought it was interesting that Zach Wahls said, Tammy, Baldwin, because she rep… she comes from a liberal area, Madison and Wisconsin, and yet she’s been able to win statewide, so I thought that was kind of a response to the electability argument. I was gonna say… 56 00:09:30.980 --> 00:09:32.999 Kathie Obradovich: I’m gonna say Warren right off the bat, and of course. 57 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:55.370 Laura Belin: Right, right. Sadly, we didn’t have the focus group of voters with the dials, but the Walz campaign, I mean, they did have earlier this year a message testing poll that was in the field, and so I think the fact that we’ve heard so much about Chuck Schumer in the first debate and reproductive rights, I think we can infer that their data from their message testing signaled that this was 58 00:09:55.370 --> 00:10:08.040 Laura Belin: these were effective lines to use. I just know, anecdotally, I’ve had Democrats ask me, like, is it true that Josh Turek isn’t pro-choice or something? You know, they got… they had this impression in their mind that 59 00:10:08.040 --> 00:10:11.289 Laura Belin: That he hasn’t supported reproductive rights. 60 00:10:11.590 --> 00:10:14.810 Dave Price: The one thing we were talking over… 61 00:10:15.220 --> 00:10:24.930 Dave Price: before the debate was, you know, the debate order, the subject order. And we had made the decision that, you know, it’s TV, 62 00:10:24.930 --> 00:10:37.379 Dave Price: Obviously, there are ways you can structure it if you really want the battle the whole time. We were not looking for that in a primary, we were looking for more substance. 63 00:10:37.380 --> 00:10:48.909 Dave Price: And we went back and forth on this. We ended up starting with the electability. I mean, part of the debate rules is that they get their opening statements. I’m not usually a big fan of those, because I feel like a lot of times those are throwaways, but… 64 00:10:49.370 --> 00:11:03.739 Dave Price: the electability thing, I thought, alright, that’s something Democrats are thinking about, and I was going through my head, like, does it make sense to start with that, or should that be the close? And we ended up doing it. I put it at the beginning. 65 00:11:03.990 --> 00:11:15.750 Dave Price: We put it at the beginning, hoping that maybe they’d get some of it out of their system, and then we can kind of start digging into the issues after that, but they do… they do offer two different 66 00:11:16.560 --> 00:11:22.169 Dave Price: Storylines about how they view their electability based on where they live. 67 00:11:23.690 --> 00:11:26.299 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I mean, I mean, it’s… 68 00:11:26.300 --> 00:11:44.089 Kathie Obradovich: one of Josh Turek’s main talking points that he’s won in, you know, twice in red districts, and, you know, certainly, you know, you look at the state of Iowa, that’s a pertinent argument, right? You want to be… and also one that, 69 00:11:44.090 --> 00:12:07.250 Kathie Obradovich: you know, sort of… it is a big contrast with Zach Wahls living in one of the biggest blue spots in the state of Iowa. Blue dots, I would say. So, you know, but Walz can point to the fact that, you know, he also has rural counties that he represents as part of his district, and that he 70 00:12:07.250 --> 00:12:25.900 Kathie Obradovich: he does spend time in small towns, grew up in a small town, and that he can relate, to people there. So, I mean, it’s not… it’s not, you know, definitely, a totally decisive… these electability arguments are so subjective, whatever, you know, what do you think is electable? So… 71 00:12:26.280 --> 00:12:49.749 Laura Belin: Yeah, I mean, the electability, a lot of it is a little bit vibes-based for people. I’ve… I’m someone who likes to dive into those numbers and look at how candidates performed relative to the top of their ticket, and sadly, we don’t have that kind of data for Zach Wahls because he hasn’t had a Republican opponent, so we don’t know whether he overperforms or not. But Josh Turek, I went down a little bit of a rabbit hole. 72 00:12:49.750 --> 00:12:53.219 Laura Belin: last night after the debate, because I saw somebody post 73 00:12:53.220 --> 00:13:14.839 Laura Belin: that, Turek almost cost Democrats a House seat, and that he underperformed in 2022, and I was like, that’s not right. So I went and looked at the results for just the precincts where Josh Turek was on the ballot, and he did, he outperformed not only the Democratic candidates for Senate and Governor, but he even outperformed Rob Sand in that race in his district. 74 00:13:15.030 --> 00:13:36.819 Laura Belin: Now, you can argue, well, just because he did that in an Iowa House race, where he knocked on a lot of doors and had face-to-face contact with people, that may not translate into a full statewide victory, and I think that’s a fair point, but, I mean, you can’t argue against the fact that he has overperformed in a Trump voting district, which is just not that easy to do. 75 00:13:37.370 --> 00:13:43.750 Dave Price: As a guy who’s done TV for 30 years, I try to not focus too much on performance. 76 00:13:43.950 --> 00:13:51.039 Dave Price: In a debate, and because I feel like probably TV people overvalue… 77 00:13:51.470 --> 00:14:08.059 Dave Price: Having said that, it seems like a lot of successful politicians have, you know, the communication skills. What do you… as I was sitting there, I think Wahls is a little more comfortable, a little more polished in his delivery. 78 00:14:08.380 --> 00:14:22.190 Dave Price: Turek maybe showed a little more nerves, and maybe a lack of experience in that kind of setting. Not that Walz has had tons of debates or anything like that, but does that… do you think that matters? Does that matter to people, or not? 79 00:14:22.680 --> 00:14:47.100 Kathie Obradovich: I mean, I think it matters to some people, and it matters more if we start seeing clips of these debates in advertising, for example, as opposed to, you know, people actually watching a debate all the way through. I definitely agree with your impression. Wahls is more polished. That was exactly the word I was thinking about. One of the things that surprised me 80 00:14:47.260 --> 00:15:04.299 Kathie Obradovich: was that Turek, you know, when Walz was talking about his, endorsements, by Elizabeth Warren, and that Turek, I’m pretty sure, unless I missed it, he did not even mention being endorsed by Tom Harkin. Did he not? Did he fail to mention that? 81 00:15:04.490 --> 00:15:06.040 Dave Price: You mentioned that you were different. 82 00:15:06.040 --> 00:15:10.200 Laura Belin: He mentioned it somewhere, I can’t remember exactly the kind. 83 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:19.219 Kathie Obradovich: Okay, because I was… I was listening for that, and I didn’t… I didn’t hear it, and then also, I didn’t hear him mention his recent endorsement by Pete Buttigieg. 84 00:15:19.220 --> 00:15:20.230 Dave Price: I don’t think he’d mentioned. 85 00:15:20.230 --> 00:15:22.100 Laura Belin: No, I don’t think he mentioned that. 86 00:15:22.100 --> 00:15:36.540 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, so I was… I was a little surprised by that. I do remember there was a mention of Harkin in, like, running for Harkin’s seat, or taking Harkin’s seat back, but I just… I didn’t hear him say, and Tom Harkin has endorsed me. 87 00:15:36.640 --> 00:15:40.440 Kathie Obradovich: And I was, I was pretty surprised by that, so… 88 00:15:40.800 --> 00:15:43.029 Laura Belin: I’ve not worked in television, but as a… 89 00:15:43.030 --> 00:16:05.779 Laura Belin: former high school debater. I agree with the impression that Zach Wahls seemed a little more comfortable in speaking in a more polished way, and just, when it came to the closing statements, I didn’t know what the rules were or the agreement ahead of time. If I were Josh Turek, I would not argue about who was supposed to go first, even if… and I think that as it turned out, it was… it was correct that 90 00:16:05.780 --> 00:16:11.330 Laura Belin: Turek was supposed to go first, but in any case, even if I thought, well, he got to speak first. 91 00:16:11.330 --> 00:16:14.139 Dave Price: Oh, yeah, I mean, I think he was supposed to go first, excuse me, yes. 92 00:16:14.140 --> 00:16:26.289 Laura Belin: Yeah, so, I mean, whatever the agreement was ahead of time about who should be first or last, and I understand the idea that you want to have the last word, but on the other hand, I don’t think it’s a great look to be 93 00:16:26.290 --> 00:16:39.760 Laura Belin: arguing about that during the debate. I would just let that go, even if I… but I think that it’s hard, you know, they have in their mind a certain idea of what things… you know, they’re also thinking, not only about answering the question. 94 00:16:39.760 --> 00:16:40.220 Dave Price: But they’re. 95 00:16:40.220 --> 00:16:43.350 Laura Belin: They’re in their mind, thinking about the points that they haven’t made yet. 96 00:16:43.350 --> 00:16:43.859 Dave Price: that they’re needing. 97 00:16:43.860 --> 00:16:49.579 Laura Belin: to make sure to get in before the end of the debate, so I can imagine it’s easy to get nervous. 98 00:16:49.660 --> 00:16:52.569 Dave Price: And it gets, you know, it gets, when you’re doing it. 99 00:16:52.750 --> 00:16:59.780 Dave Price: When you’re doing it live like that, it gets clunky and awkward when you have one of the candidates 100 00:17:01.300 --> 00:17:07.349 Dave Price: Thinking that the rules aren’t being followed, and you’re sitting there in the moment going, oh, crap. 101 00:17:07.430 --> 00:17:26.929 Dave Price: Because it’s going through your head, like, we don’t want to screw this up, because these are all… these are all laid out to the campaigns beforehand, and yeah, in the grand scheme of life, is it that big of a deal? I would think, to many people, probably not. But in the heat of the moment, you want to be accurate, too, and you don’t want to screw one person over, or whatever. 102 00:17:26.930 --> 00:17:34.060 Dave Price: That’s why I kind of made it a jump ball thing, because… I also… And… 103 00:17:34.340 --> 00:17:52.970 Dave Price: like, I’m a people watcher. I don’t… I probably shouldn’t even acknowledge this, but, in a recording like this, but, like, I like to see… I mean, you’re talking about leadership, right? So I wanted to see, in the spur of the moment here, alright, let’s see who sort of seizes the moment. Like, we’ve got some confusion, who wants it or whatever, and Wahls… 104 00:17:52.970 --> 00:17:59.630 Dave Price: So Waltz jumped in and took it. Turek had one other challenge earlier when the timer 105 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:05.380 Dave Price: clock, quit working for a little bit, and for the most part, and I should say both of them. 106 00:18:05.600 --> 00:18:20.660 Dave Price: were remarkable for sticking to the pre-agreed time limits. They were supposed to do, like, a minute for the main question, and they got little warnings. We had… there was, like, a green light and a red light or whatever, and it would flash. They got, like, a 10-second warning kind of thing. 107 00:18:20.660 --> 00:18:27.509 Dave Price: And they were both remarkable about sticking to that, which allowed us to really 108 00:18:27.510 --> 00:18:49.199 Dave Price: make our way through a lot of the questions, but something did go haywire in the middle of that, and I think Turek saw it, and he no longer saw the countdown clock, so he probably didn’t know how long Wahls was speaking. We knew in our ears, because the producer up in the booth is like, hey, something’s going on with the timer clock here, so we’re just gonna let Wahls go. 109 00:18:49.200 --> 00:19:03.009 Dave Price: let him finish his thought, you know, whatever, and then we’ll do the same thing with Turek and kind of reset the system. And it ended up working, but, that is one more complication, one more wild card that you throw in when, no matter how much 110 00:19:03.010 --> 00:19:10.860 Dave Price: time these… how much experience these candidates have. I mean, it is a live thing, so there’s a lot of pressure, and you don’t know what’s coming, and… 111 00:19:10.860 --> 00:19:16.589 Dave Price: I get people who occasionally ask me, like, do we give them the questions in advance? Well, of course not. 112 00:19:17.100 --> 00:19:21.779 Dave Price: They have no… we don’t… we don’t do subjects, we don’t do anything. They don’t know anything. 113 00:19:21.780 --> 00:19:35.200 Laura Belin: But they’re prepared. I mean, you didn’t ask about anything that was way out there that… I mean, if they’re doing decent debate prep, they should be prepared for questions on any number of major issues, including the ones that you raised. 114 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:44.380 Dave Price: Totally, and you would think if you’re out there campaigning a lot, so much stuff comes up organically from the audiences anyway. They’ve had most subjects. 115 00:19:44.380 --> 00:20:01.049 Dave Price: They may not always be drilled for specifics, but most of the things should have come up, and I appreciate that we, you know, you can’t get to everything. When I used to do a show at Channel 13, we had this final segment, which was called the Quick Six, which was like a lightning round kind of thing. 116 00:20:01.050 --> 00:20:02.929 Dave Price: That was always my favorite. 117 00:20:02.980 --> 00:20:09.380 Dave Price: Because… it could be anything under the sun. I mean, I didn’t do gotcha questions. 118 00:20:09.380 --> 00:20:27.189 Dave Price: But it could be anything under the sun, and you could… I like to see how quickly they could respond to stuff, plus they had to, like, instinctively answer things. You couldn’t sit there and pontificate and give stump speeches and all that, so… I was hoping we were gonna have time at the end for the lightning rounds, and we had a few more. 119 00:20:27.190 --> 00:20:30.040 Dave Price: I think I had 6 or 7 questions in there. 120 00:20:30.040 --> 00:20:30.380 Laura Belin: Boom. 121 00:20:30.380 --> 00:20:44.799 Dave Price: built out, so I was glad we were able to get to a few of those, because they were very brief in that second half, so we ended up having more time at the end than we thought. Did any… I was curious from, from you both, 122 00:20:44.890 --> 00:20:56.660 Dave Price: My quick takeaway from last night is that while we had some exchanges about some things, there weren’t a lot of really evident policy differences. What did you both think? 123 00:20:58.270 --> 00:21:03.309 Kathie Obradovich: No, I mean, I think that’s been true throughout, and one of the reasons why they’re really… 124 00:21:03.500 --> 00:21:13.160 Kathie Obradovich: Emphasizing pretty heavily on electability, you know, and then, you know, sort of some of these issues like missed votes, or… 125 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:33.819 Kathie Obradovich: the previous debate, you know, there was an emphasis on Josh Turk’s vote on an immigration bill that most Democrats didn’t support, and, you know, I don’t know if those random votes really add up to policy differences, but 126 00:21:34.250 --> 00:21:52.780 Kathie Obradovich: you know, those are… those are, you know, when you… when you point to voting records in, in a debate, you know, certainly that… that carries a little bit more, weight, I think, than just saying so-and-so is just not as committed as I am, you know, to this issue, so… Yeah. 127 00:21:52.780 --> 00:22:02.270 Laura Belin: I feel that it… they don’t disagree on very many policy issues, as we talked about last week. This isn’t a primary with big ideological differences, and I think that 128 00:22:02.270 --> 00:22:13.170 Laura Belin: both of them came out of the debate with plenty of clips that have already seen clips that they’re sharing on social medias, and nobody made a big gaffe, so I feel like, in that sense, it… 129 00:22:13.170 --> 00:22:16.159 Laura Belin: It probably didn’t change the dynamic very much. 130 00:22:16.420 --> 00:22:20.199 Dave Price: Laura, the one thing afterwards that I wish I would have… 131 00:22:20.710 --> 00:22:26.540 Dave Price: Worked in there, and somebody else pointed out sort of a different version of this question. 132 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:44.379 Dave Price: is that the Democratic brand, like, to try to lean into what Iowans think about the Democratic brand, they’ve clearly soured on it. And we can talk a bunch of different times about, you know, is it the… 133 00:22:44.380 --> 00:22:53.829 Dave Price: the kind of coastal themes that people here in the Midwest don’t like, and they, you know, however you want to dig into this, but somebody… 134 00:22:53.830 --> 00:23:08.690 Dave Price: had said, you know, I wish you would have asked something like… and it made me think about your story, Laura, that I’ve referenced numerous times here on the podcast, for Democrats who have high hopes about November, the reality of being almost 200… 135 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:15.530 Dave Price: 1,000 registered voters short, still, and we’re not really seeing 136 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:32.970 Dave Price: I guess we’ll see what happens after the primary. Maybe those numbers change a little bit, but, I mean, it’s not like we’re watching the numbers go like this, right? Like, I mean, it’s still a gap. They’re gonna have to get a lot of these independents to come over and win back some of these Republicans, and I wish I would have thought… 137 00:23:33.370 --> 00:23:38.969 Dave Price: I don’t know where it would have fit in there, maybe I could have gotten it in at the end or something, to sort of address, like… 138 00:23:39.080 --> 00:23:51.239 Dave Price: where Democrats have lost their way, and, like, maybe just simply, like, what is a Democrat, what does a Democrat stand for, or something like that. We were trying to get a lot of specific answers on things. 139 00:23:51.660 --> 00:24:00.689 Dave Price: And I think we tried to push for a bunch of those things, but I wish we… I wish I would have worked in one kind of more philosophical… 140 00:24:00.930 --> 00:24:11.589 Dave Price: you know, kind of what is a Democrat, and why should we think that you’re gonna bring Iowa to rally around, you know, you representing whatever this vision is? 141 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:24.209 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, it’s always an interesting question, although when I’m trying to write questions for debates, I always try to lean more heavily on not what candidates think, but what they’ll do, you know? 142 00:24:24.210 --> 00:24:24.560 Dave Price: Yeah. 143 00:24:24.560 --> 00:24:43.820 Kathie Obradovich: to try to make that distinction, because it’s, you know, it’s interesting, and it may be, you know, a question like you’re talking about may be instructive to see, you know, how candidates are thinking about these philosophical issues, but, you know, I really, you know, one of the functions, I think, of a debate 144 00:24:43.820 --> 00:24:48.170 Kathie Obradovich: Is to create a record of what candidates 145 00:24:48.170 --> 00:24:54.220 Kathie Obradovich: Actually say that they will do, so that you can hold them accountable for it later, if they get elected. 146 00:24:54.860 --> 00:25:04.700 Laura Belin: I think that the voter registration… well, we’ll see what happens after the primary, but I think that the gap could get even wider, because there’s so much focus on the Republican race for governor. 147 00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:28.170 Laura Belin: And yes, this is a competitive Senate Democratic primary, but there are a lot of uncompetitive Democratic races. Rob Sand, without having a primary opponent, he’s basically running a general election campaign already, rather than trying to turn out voters in high numbers for the primary. So I feel like it’s… the 200,000 vote in the whole thing, I mean, that’s still going to be a serious problem 148 00:25:28.170 --> 00:25:32.890 Laura Belin: for not just the Senate nominee, but for everybody running on a statewide basis. 149 00:25:34.170 --> 00:25:36.510 Dave Price: And I should mention that… 150 00:25:36.800 --> 00:25:56.039 Dave Price: We did hope to hold a Republican Senate debate as well with Ashley Hinson and Jim Carlin. Hinson did not agree to do to, did not agree to a debate, and she hasn’t agreed to a debate with anybody else. I don’t know how many different media partnerships pitched a debate. 151 00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:01.939 Dave Price: we will drop this, we’re recording on Friday, we always drop this on Saturday mornings. 152 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:12.889 Dave Price: We do have an upcoming debate that will, go on Tuesday. That is for the Republican gubernatorial debate, and we will have four. 153 00:26:12.890 --> 00:26:27.540 Dave Price: So unlike the Iowa… Iowa PBS one that only had 3, so if you recall, Zach Lahn kind of took that stand and said, I’m not gonna debate because Randy Feenstra’s not gonna debate, and until Randy Feenstra debates. 154 00:26:27.870 --> 00:26:29.180 Dave Price: I’m not debating. 155 00:26:29.490 --> 00:26:49.309 Dave Price: He has changed his mind, so he will take, take part in this debate, that we will record this weekend. Feenstra, as you could maybe guess, has not agreed to do it, so it’ll be the four without, without Feenstra. And I’m, 156 00:26:49.390 --> 00:27:00.800 Dave Price: Like I’ve said here, we’re recording Friday morning. All Friday and all Saturday, we’re going to be finalizing the debate topics. It’s like a whole different dynamic, though, right? Because you have 4 people. 157 00:27:01.360 --> 00:27:06.360 Dave Price: And, you know, you want to make it fair on time and questions and all that kind of stuff. 158 00:27:06.460 --> 00:27:20.330 Dave Price: But it also means… now, this will be a 90-minute debate instead of the 60-minute that we had for the Senate Democrats, but… I mean, it still limits with 4 people. It limits how many topics you can get into, and I feel like… 159 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:32.690 Dave Price: I don’t want it to be boring, either. I mean, I want it to be substantive, but, you know, I don’t want it to be robotic, where we’re going down the line, okay, what would you do about this? What would you do about this? What would you do about this? 160 00:27:32.800 --> 00:27:35.470 Dave Price: So we’ll have to… we gotta… 161 00:27:36.110 --> 00:27:41.660 Dave Price: there’s a way I have in my mind about, how to do this, but the order of it 162 00:27:41.970 --> 00:27:51.039 Dave Price: We had… we had a little, you know, there was confusion with Turek, as we mentioned, from the Senate campaign. Man, with 4 of them. That’s when it gets funky for us. 163 00:27:51.290 --> 00:27:58.110 Dave Price: under the lights, in the moment, to remember, okay, who went first last time, and who went this time, and… 164 00:27:58.110 --> 00:27:59.340 Kathie Obradovich: That’s always… 165 00:27:59.340 --> 00:28:00.530 Dave Price: It’s hard, right? 166 00:28:00.530 --> 00:28:01.750 Kathie Obradovich: It’s always hard. 167 00:28:02.350 --> 00:28:21.000 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, one thing with four people, you know, one of the ways to sort of keep it from being a robotic right down the… is basically to ask different questions on the same topic, so you might let two answer a question, specific question on a topic, and then 168 00:28:21.020 --> 00:28:29.789 Kathie Obradovich: You know, to change it up just a little bit for the… for the other two. If they want to answer the original question, they will anyway. Yeah. But… 169 00:28:29.790 --> 00:28:39.840 Laura Belin: That’s what they did on the Iowa PBS debate. I honestly… I don’t love that. I prefer having… asking everybody the same question, but that’s hard with four candidates. 170 00:28:39.910 --> 00:28:40.490 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah. 171 00:28:40.490 --> 00:28:45.340 Dave Price: I will try to, like I did last night, sometimes I’ll take… 172 00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.420 Dave Price: Part of the answer, the first candidate. 173 00:28:48.450 --> 00:28:57.749 Dave Price: gave, and used that in the question for the next one. And I tried to do that so that people could have some comparisons. There was one that… 174 00:28:57.750 --> 00:29:13.600 Dave Price: I remember Wall said something about, lowering Medicare age to 55, and I think I used that as a way to, to get into Turek. But, like, the other wild card for this is, like, you don’t know when it was just the two of them, especially. And I didn’t think Turek was gonna be… 175 00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:18.470 Dave Price: super aggressive. That hasn’t been his style, unless something was going to change. 176 00:29:18.970 --> 00:29:34.150 Dave Price: But I didn’t know what Wahls would do. You know, he’s really stressed this, I’m not the insider guy kind of thing, and ripped on Turek for being associated with these insiders, so you, you know, you sort of carefully script out… 177 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:41.229 Dave Price: How you want the debate to go, and we had one 2-minute commercial break in there, so you know you have the total time. 178 00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:46.789 Dave Price: available. You know, when you want to hit the commercial break, you know the topics you want. 179 00:29:47.010 --> 00:29:57.029 Dave Price: potential follow-ups that you can think of ahead of time, but you need to adjust if they say something that’s not clear, and you’re trying to keep, like, a mental clock of. 180 00:29:57.070 --> 00:30:14.710 Dave Price: Okay, Candidate A is approximately had this time, Candidate B has had this time, but the wild card is, like, when somebody goes, you know, you suck, kind of thing. Some… some allegation about the other person, because you don’t want to be unfair and not let candidate… 181 00:30:14.800 --> 00:30:26.400 Dave Price: Y respond to what candidate X said, but there’s also the balance, right? Because you don’t want that to devolve early, where if one comes out really hot. 182 00:30:26.550 --> 00:30:35.390 Dave Price: Then it just ends up being this tension where they’re just lobbing garbage back and forth, and the whole thing’s gone off the rails. 183 00:30:35.900 --> 00:30:53.439 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, and candidates, you know, I think they know, if they’re experienced debaters, they save a lot of that for the end, when time is tight, and there’s less, maybe less time and less opportunity for the opponent to respond to that, so it’s definitely part of the tactic, managing the clock in a debate. 184 00:30:53.440 --> 00:31:08.899 Laura Belin: I remember that from one of the debates in 2018 between Kim Reynolds and Fred Hubbell, that Kim Reynolds, several times, she ended her com- her response to a question with an attack on Fred Hubbell, and sometimes it was even unrelated, and then he would end up 185 00:31:08.900 --> 00:31:16.439 Laura Belin: Wasting the first 10 or 15 seconds of his answer responding to what she just said, so it really seemed to throw him off his game. 186 00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:19.489 Dave Price: Alright, as we come to a… come to a close here… 187 00:31:19.710 --> 00:31:32.029 Dave Price: What do you think the Republican field, minus Feenstra, needs to accomplish in this… what will now be the second and final gubernatorial debate? 188 00:31:32.370 --> 00:31:33.180 Kathie Obradovich: Mmm. 189 00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:49.999 Laura Belin: I think that the key is to… everyone needs to make themselves into the… the focus for the non-Feenstra vote. The only way that any of them can win this primary is to consolidate the non-Feenstra vote, and so that is… I think we may see some… 190 00:31:50.080 --> 00:31:54.750 Laura Belin: some shots lobbed between Adam Steen and Zach Lahn, for example. 191 00:31:55.090 --> 00:32:19.119 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, I think so too, and I just want to remind everyone that we all said it was really stupid for Zach Lane to skip that previous debate, and maybe he decided that it was not a good idea to miss that, but I do think that, you know, Laura’s absolutely right. I mean, what they’re trying to do is make themselves into the 192 00:32:19.120 --> 00:32:26.090 Kathie Obradovich: main alternative to Randy Feenstra. And, you know, I… at this point. 193 00:32:26.290 --> 00:32:29.749 Kathie Obradovich: I really miss… can I just say, I miss… 194 00:32:29.760 --> 00:32:53.079 Kathie Obradovich: the Dwayne Register Iowa polls. We have not seen, really, any polling, a lot of independent polling in these debates. I’d really love to know what numbers these candidates are looking at, as they go into this debate, because it… I mean, it does seem like, Steen, with his, family leader endorsements, is in a… 195 00:32:53.080 --> 00:33:12.759 Kathie Obradovich: good position to, you know, argue that he’s the, main alternative to Randy Feenstra, but Zach Lahn is definitely a wild card, and again, we don’t know how much of the vote, Eddie Andrews and Brad Sherman will be able to pull. It does… it makes a difference whether anybody gets to 35%. 196 00:33:13.500 --> 00:33:14.480 Dave Price: I’m curious… 197 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:23.510 Dave Price: I’ve been with you throughout this, Laura, about the need to… this is why I didn’t understand why Lahn skipped that first debate. 198 00:33:23.800 --> 00:33:33.239 Dave Price: when you… when you’re coming in with Feenstra, and we can, you know, we can talk about whether Feenstra really has the name ID outside the 4th Congressional District. 199 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:45.849 Dave Price: and how much that could be a, you know, a hurdle for him that it’s something he’s gotta work on. He’s still the obvious frontrunner into this, and he clearly thinks he is, otherwise he’d be doing the debate, regardless of whether, you know, debating… 200 00:33:45.850 --> 00:33:51.770 Dave Price: is his forte or not. But I’ll be curious in this 90-minute debate. 201 00:33:52.580 --> 00:34:09.409 Dave Price: how they direct their attention. Do they spend a bunch of it… I don’t really know that Sherman and Andrews would do this a lot, but I’m thinking particularly with Lahn and Steen, but do you spend a bunch of your time trying to knock Feenstra, A, for not being there, and then on policy things? 202 00:34:09.610 --> 00:34:12.349 Dave Price: Or do you spend your time… 203 00:34:13.139 --> 00:34:26.760 Dave Price: focusing on the other three there to try to hold them down, to raise yourself up, so that you can establish yourself in your mind. When this debate ends, I’m the clear number two. It’s gonna be Feenstra versus 204 00:34:27.120 --> 00:34:33.349 Dave Price: whoever that person is. Or do you somehow find a way to thread a needle where you try to do both those things? Does that make sense? 205 00:34:34.179 --> 00:34:46.519 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, acting like Beanster doesn’t exist, is one way to go. You know, it’s like, you know, these are the candidates that are standing before you, and here’s why I’m the best of this, this group. 206 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:57.269 Kathie Obradovich: And, you know, that’s one strategy. If you think that Feenstra is not that well known outside of the 4th District, or that, you know, he has. 207 00:34:57.269 --> 00:35:17.389 Kathie Obradovich: if he does have name recognition, then just ignoring him is… is one possibility. But I do think, you know, each candidate, just as you said, has to be, you know, the tallest, one on the stage, in the sense of the, you know, the one that has the 208 00:35:17.579 --> 00:35:26.269 Kathie Obradovich: the ability to actually win the primary and go on and challenge Rob Sand. So, and you know, frankly. 209 00:35:26.429 --> 00:35:30.029 Kathie Obradovich: With a, with a huge competitive primary. 210 00:35:30.049 --> 00:35:48.979 Kathie Obradovich: Whoever does come out of that primary does come out, I think, with a head of steam against Rob Sand. So, so it is an… I think it is kind of… even despite the challenges posed by a large field, whoever comes out of it is going to have a benefit from it. 211 00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:58.050 Laura Belin: I think that you can… you don’t have to spend a lot of time on Feenstra, but I think it makes sense for people to spend 5 seconds, 10 seconds. 212 00:35:58.100 --> 00:36:23.079 Laura Belin: pointing out that he’s not there. I’m sure that we’ll hear that it’s a disrespect to the voters that he keeps skipping these venues. Adam Steen has been using this line, Runaway Randy, so that might be something we hear, but you don’t have to spend a lot of time on that. And I don’t think that they’ll necessarily attack each other a lot, although Brad Sherman seems to have some animosity toward Adam Steen, so he may… they’re competing for that Christian conservative niche, so we may 213 00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:46.590 Laura Belin: here’s some attacks there. But I think if I were Steen or Lahn, I would just focus on what is my base of support, and why am I the person who can really beat Randy Feenstra and then carry it through to November? Whether it’s Zach Lahn saying that he has Steve King’s endorsement, and he has a lot of money that’s mostly money that he’s put into his own campaign, or whether… 214 00:36:46.590 --> 00:36:55.459 Laura Belin: Adam Steen talking about the network of support that he has, I don’t know, but I think that that’s what people will want to know, who can really beat Rob Sand. 215 00:36:55.750 --> 00:37:10.449 Kathie Obradovich: Well, is somebody gonna go after Zach Lahn for this news this week, that he’s spending a lot of time in Kansas, and flying his plane back and forth between Iowa and Kansas? Is that, I mean, is that… are we gonna hear about that, do you think? 216 00:37:10.950 --> 00:37:23.619 Dave Price: That’s another one, when you’re talking about, like, a focus group. When I read Breanne’s story in the register, and we have heard this throughout the campaign, I was not aware of the specifics of how much time 217 00:37:23.620 --> 00:37:42.209 Dave Price: Lahn was spending in Kansas versus how much time he was here. And he is a pilot, so he flies back and forth, and he has a plane and all of that. I think the plane was out of commission somewhere in there for a little bit, but regardless, going back and forth, and they have this big blended family that he has with his… with his second wife, and so, you know, you have 218 00:37:42.410 --> 00:37:57.339 Dave Price: kids… and they have kids together, too, so you have kids, you know, in Kansas, and then they have their children as well in Iowa, so it is going back and forth to make sure they can spend time with everybody. But I am curious what people think about that reading… 219 00:37:57.550 --> 00:38:11.969 Dave Price: reading through that story is… is that, is that a positive, that he’s committed to the kids to make sure that, you know, they’re around, for the upbringing of these kids? Does it show that he’s not here enough? I’m really curious how that’s gonna go over, once people see that. 220 00:38:11.970 --> 00:38:30.159 Kathie Obradovich: because the Democrats are already attacking Lahn as a, you know, he’s a carpetbagger, he’s, you know, he’s… he’s a Kansan, you know, not… he’s, you know, he says he’s gonna put Iowa first, but he’s not in Iowa. So that… that… that line of attack is already out there from the Democrats. I’m just curious about whether any of the fellow Republicans will do it. 221 00:38:30.160 --> 00:38:41.460 Laura Belin: Well, and I also don’t know… I mean, the focus… the frame of the article was that he’s made a lot of trips to Kansas and spent some time in Kansas, but then the kind of subtext of the article was that this is a… 222 00:38:41.460 --> 00:39:01.900 Laura Belin: second marriage, and that he and his wife were working together, and they were married to other people. So, I mean, in the mindset of a conservative Republican primary voter, I don’t know which would bother them more, the fact that there were divorces, and that there’s a blended family, or that he’s spending time going down to Kansas. 223 00:39:02.460 --> 00:39:09.980 Kathie Obradovich: Well, I mean, isn’t he trying to appeal to Trump voters? I don’t think that the multiple marriages are gonna bother him that much. 224 00:39:10.370 --> 00:39:17.789 Dave Price: Yes. Alright, let’s leave it there. We’re not getting into more… we’re not… we’re not touching this marriage stuff. Thank you. 225 00:39:18.140 --> 00:39:23.959 Dave Price: We can… we’ll assemble next week and see how this… their final debate, 226 00:39:24.140 --> 00:39:25.109 Dave Price: We’ll go, we’ll see how. 227 00:39:25.110 --> 00:39:27.850 Kathie Obradovich: Yeah, good luck, good luck with the final debate. 228 00:39:27.850 --> 00:39:37.829 Dave Price: Thank you. Four people, we’ll need our… we’ll need four people, 90 minutes. I think we have two commercial breaks, so… but that’s a lot to fit in in 90 minutes. Good to talk to you both. Have a great weekend. 229 00:39:38.320 --> 00:39:38.960 Laura Belin: You too. 230 00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:39.480 Kathie Obradovich: wise. 231 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.299 Dave Price: Thanks for joining us for the Iowa Down Ballad podcast. 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