#140 - 58 Miles, One Formula, and a New Way to Think Like a Lawyer

#140 - 58 Miles, One Formula, and a New Way to Think Like a Lawyer

Jonathan Cohen [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-z-cohen] became a mental fitness expert the hard way. As a Bronx DA in the Special Victims Unit, he prosecuted trauma cases while training for ultramarathons and studying what separates elite performers from everyone else. When those worlds collided, he built something most attorneys have never been offered: a practical system for managing the mind under pressure. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn [https://linktr.ee/lawyerswholearn], host David Schnurman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/], CEO of Lawline [https://www.lawline.com/], sits down with Jonathan to trace that journey—from Bronx prosecutor to Director of Sales at PNY Technologies—and the mental fitness practice he built along the way. Jonathan now teaches the Lawline CLE course Mental Fitness for Lawyers, which has earned 1,000 completions and a 4.9 out of 5 rating. At the heart of his approach is one deceptively simple formula: Event + Response = Outcome. Lawyers default to reactive, undisciplined responses—and Jonathan argues the fix isn't therapy or yoga, but practical tools: intentional breathing, chasing perfect days, and treating recovery as something you actively build, not passively wait for. His most honest moment? Failing a sub-three-hour marathon twice and realizing the person he became in pursuit of that goal mattered more than the finish line. That mindset shift, he believes, is exactly what the legal profession needs right now.

#139 From the Bronx to the Courtroom: Building a Brand Lawyers Can't Ignore

Most lawyers practice law. Gigio Koshy Ninan (‘Gio’) [https://www.linkedin.com/in/gigioninan] built a machine around it. State and Federal cases in three states, a thriving firm co-run with his wife, five Lawline courses with over 4,000 completions — and a brand strategy most law firms pay consultants to figure out. He just lived it. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn [https://linktr.ee/lawyerswholearn], host David Schnurman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/], CEO of Lawline [https://www.lawline.com/], digs into how a kid from the Bronx — who almost became a high school history teacher — turned teaching into his sharpest competitive weapon. Gio breaks down how he uses AI tools like NotebookLM to craft courses people actually finish, why prompting well is now a core legal skill, and where AI will genuinely disrupt law practice — and where it simply won't touch it for decades. His take on the fractional GC world is particularly sharp: disruption isn't coming, it's already here. But immigration law? Litigation? Still human territory for the foreseeable future. Then there's his "R&R of lawyering" framework — reputation and relationships — the unglamorous system behind every major opportunity that's come his way, from Rutgers commencement speeches to federal court keynotes to clients who find him without a single cold call. The lesson he keeps coming back to: in a world where clients don't know who to trust, the lawyers who teach, show up, and build in public are the ones who win.

#138 Inside the Machine: A Prosecutor's Guide to Federal Enforcement

Carrie H. Cohen [https://www.linkedin.com/in/carriehcohen/] has seen the American justice system from nearly every angle — as a civil rights attorney, a state and federal prosecutor, and now as a white collar defense partner at Morrison Foerster. That rare journey gives her a perspective few attorneys can match: she knows what it looks like to build a criminal case, tear one apart, and guide clients through the most serious moments of their careers. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn [https://linktr.ee/lawyerswholearn], host David Schnurman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/], CEO of Lawline [https://www.lawline.com/], sits down with Carrie for a candid conversation about current trends in federal law enforcement and new priorities including the increasing role of State Attorneys General in all areas of enforcement. From a renewed focus on narcotics trafficking to the  dismissal of charges against New York City Mayor Eric Adams, Carrie cuts through the noise with clarity that only comes from having lived it. Carrie takes listeners inside the Sheldon Silver prosecution — and the surprising detail that cracked the case open. She explains why political corruption cases are so hard to win, what it really means to guide someone through a potential criminal charge, and how empathy turns out to be one of the most important skills a defense attorney can have. Carrie also teaches a seminar on public corruption at University of Pennsylvania Law School, and shares how today's headlines have transformed her classroom. Her belief in democratic institutions — tested but intact — makes this a grounding conversation for any professional trying to make sense of a complicated moment in American law.

#137 The Human Element AI Can't Replace in Legal Practice

What happens when a lawyer gets penalized — not for using AI, but for failing to catch someone else's AI-generated error? That's one of the counterintuitive lessons at the heart of John Koss [https://www.linkedin.com/in/john-b-koss-4253b71b/]'s thinking: in the age of generative AI, ethical competence means understanding the tools even if you never touch them. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn [https://linktr.ee/lawyerswholearn], host David Schnurman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/], CEO of Lawline [https://www.lawline.com/], sits down with John Koss, Head of Innovation and AI at Mintz, to explore what responsible AI adoption actually looks like inside a 600-attorney firm. John also teaches at Suffolk Law School and created the Lawline course Human Judgment Required, now one of the platform's most-completed ethics programs. John unpacks why AI hallucinates legal citations — and why switching to a paid tool doesn't solve it. He also raises a warning most firms overlook: feeding client information into a public-facing AI can waive attorney-client privilege, a principle already tested in federal court. And before firms rush to buy the next platform, he argues the real work is unglamorous — cleaning up and organizing the firm's own data so any AI tool can actually do its job. His own path mirrors that tension between speed and substance. A product liability litigator turned e-discovery pioneer, he earned an MBA from Kellogg while working full-time — not for the credential, but because the job was pulling him toward building something. His message to lawyers feeling overwhelmed: know how the tools work, know how to use them, and the noise gets quieter.

#136 The Business Education Law School Skipped — And How to Get It Now

Stephanie Everett [http://linkedin.com/in/stephanieaeverett] built her career by doing the one thing most lawyers avoid: asking the hard questions. After joining Lawyerist to launch Lawyerist Lab, navigating a leadership transition, and merging with Affinity Consulting, she's now Chief Growth Officer of a company helping small and mid-size law firms build healthier, more profitable businesses. Her secret weapon? Refusing to accept "I need to hire more people" as a real answer. In this episode of Lawyers Who Learn [http://admin5.podbean.com//www.lawline.com/podcast/lawyers-who-learn/], host David Schnurman [https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidschnurman/], CEO of Lawline [https://www.lawline.com/], sits down with Stephanie to unpack what it actually takes to grow a law firm in a world being reshaped by AI. They cover her entrepreneurial journey from Atlanta-based consultant to co-owner of a coaching program David says he'd model his own after, and what she learned about building businesses that serve their owners rather than consume them. The episode also dives into AI integration, from Lawyerist's weekly AI workshops for Lab members to Affinity's new Claude implementation packages. Stephanie's take is nuanced: pre-built tools are a starting point, but a lawyer's real edge lies in customizing them with the provisions, templates, and judgment they've spent years developing. For attorneys feeling stuck, behind on AI, or just plain overwhelmed, this conversation delivers a grounded roadmap for what comes next.