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S2 Ep5: Convincing your CFO & the “People Balance Sheet” with Sarah McVanel

55 min · 16. juni 2026
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In this episode, Thankbox Co-Founder Tsvetelina Hinova sits down with Sarah McVanel, a global recognition expert, professional speaker, and founder of Greatness Magnified with over 25 years of experience in HR. Together they explore why appreciation isn’t a “nice to have” at work,  but a fundamental human need with serious business consequences. Sarah makes a compelling case for recognition as a serious leadership practice. She shares why most organisations undervalue the thing they’ve always known how to do, what a genuinely appreciative culture looks and feels like in practice, and why her movement - “Forever Recognize Others’ Greatness” - is less a slogan and more a daily discipline. 💡 What you’ll learn * Why recognition is hardwired into us - and why that’s exactly why we undervalue it at work * The busyness trap: how rushing through the day means missing the people right in front of us * What a real culture of appreciation looks like - and how you can tell the difference between lip service and the real thing * The F.R.O.G. mindset: why Forever Recognising Others’ Greatness means always scanning for ordinary moments of extraordinary contribution * Why recognition needs to be woven into the full employee journey - from before someone applies to long after they leave * How to build the commercial case for appreciation - and what a “people balance sheet” could mean for your organisation * Why grand appreciation events mean little if people don’t feel seen the other 364 days of the year Check out the ROI of Recognition calculator that Sarah references here: https://greatnessmagnified.com/roi/ [https://greatnessmagnified.com/roi/]

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episode S2 Ep5: Convincing your CFO & the “People Balance Sheet” with Sarah McVanel cover

S2 Ep5: Convincing your CFO & the “People Balance Sheet” with Sarah McVanel

In this episode, Thankbox Co-Founder Tsvetelina Hinova sits down with Sarah McVanel, a global recognition expert, professional speaker, and founder of Greatness Magnified with over 25 years of experience in HR. Together they explore why appreciation isn’t a “nice to have” at work,  but a fundamental human need with serious business consequences. Sarah makes a compelling case for recognition as a serious leadership practice. She shares why most organisations undervalue the thing they’ve always known how to do, what a genuinely appreciative culture looks and feels like in practice, and why her movement - “Forever Recognize Others’ Greatness” - is less a slogan and more a daily discipline. 💡 What you’ll learn * Why recognition is hardwired into us - and why that’s exactly why we undervalue it at work * The busyness trap: how rushing through the day means missing the people right in front of us * What a real culture of appreciation looks like - and how you can tell the difference between lip service and the real thing * The F.R.O.G. mindset: why Forever Recognising Others’ Greatness means always scanning for ordinary moments of extraordinary contribution * Why recognition needs to be woven into the full employee journey - from before someone applies to long after they leave * How to build the commercial case for appreciation - and what a “people balance sheet” could mean for your organisation * Why grand appreciation events mean little if people don’t feel seen the other 364 days of the year Check out the ROI of Recognition calculator that Sarah references here: https://greatnessmagnified.com/roi/ [https://greatnessmagnified.com/roi/]

16. juni 202655 min
episode S2 Ep4: Process Creates Culture: Starting Appreciation Early with Vicki Yang cover

S2 Ep4: Process Creates Culture: Starting Appreciation Early with Vicki Yang

In this episode, Thankbox Co-Founder Tsvetelina Hinova sits down with Vicki Yang, a fractional Head of HR with over 20 years of experience spanning startups, nonprofits, and major tech companies including Google and Looker, to explore one of the most underrated levers in building a thriving company: appreciation. Vicki makes a compelling case for why appreciation needs to be woven into every process, from hiring to offboarding. She shares why most organisations wait too long to start, what it looks like when peer recognition actually works, and why her mantra - “process creates culture” - is the key to making appreciation stick. 💡 What you’ll learn * Why appreciation is strategic and how it connects directly to retention, engagement, and performance * Why most organisations don’t start with appreciation (they don’t object to it, they just never begin) * The “process creates culture” mindset: why one-off gestures don’t build culture - and what does * How public, peer-led recognition helps remote and global teams discover each other’s strengths and collaborate better * Why specificity is the secret to appreciation that actually lands * How to build the commercial case for appreciation - starting with values, data, and embedding it across the employee lifecycle * Why the offboarding experience matters just as much as onboarding - and what it signals to the team left behind

2. juni 202628 min
episode S2 Ep3: Stop treating employees as “clustomers” with Toby Kheng cover

S2 Ep3: Stop treating employees as “clustomers” with Toby Kheng

In this episode, Thankbox Co-Founder Tsvetelina Hinova sits down with Toby Kheng, Co-Founder of Freeformers, to unpack one deceptively simple idea: why saying “thank you” at work is so rare, and why that’s a problem. Drawing on his experience redesigning employee experiences, Toby explains how many organisations treat appreciation as a checkbox exercise e.g. generic perks, vouchers, or gamified rewards,  rather than something deeply human and personal. Together, they explore what happens when appreciation is missing, how it impacts motivation and performance, and why businesses that ignore it risk creating purely transactional relationships with their people. 💡 What you’ll learn * Why most workplace appreciation efforts fail (and feel meaningless)  * The concept of “clustomers” - and why treating employees the same doesn’t work  * Why a simple, genuine “thank you” often matters more than money or perks  * How lack of appreciation leads to disengagement and “bare minimum” work  * The disconnect between what managers think they’re doing - and how employees actually feel  * Practical ways to measure and improve human relationships at work

5. maj 202624 min
episode S2 Ep2: Appreciating Appreciation – discussing The STAY Report with Perry Timms cover

S2 Ep2: Appreciating Appreciation – discussing The STAY Report with Perry Timms

In this special episode, Host Tsvetelina Hinova is joined by globally recognised HR thinker Perry Timms to unpack their newly launched co-authored STAY Report - and why it’s set to change how we think, talk about, and apply appreciation at work. Together, they explore a simple but overlooked truth: You don’t have a choice about appreciation, you’re sending signals either way. We cover: * Why organisations are never neutral - your culture is shaped by the signals you send every day  * The hidden cost of silence (and how it slowly erodes trust and performance)  * Why appreciation isn’t a “nice to have” - it’s infrastructure for performance, trust, and retention  * How employees are constantly “scanning” for what gets noticed - and what gets ignored  * The real reason engagement drops (hint: it’s not sudden - it builds quietly over time)  * How to shift from “doing appreciation” to “being appreciative”  About the STAY Report The STAY report reframes appreciation as a system of Signals that influence Trust and Attachment, and shows how to develop your own appreciation infrastructure – Your way.  It combines science, real-world insights, and practical questions to help leaders bring appreciation into the boardroom—and make it actionable. Download the STAY report and start thinking and talking differently about the signals your organisation sends: https://www.thankbox.com/business/stay-report?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=launch-show&utm_campaign=stay-report [https://www.thankbox.com/business/stay-report?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=launch-show&utm_campaign=stay-report]

21. apr. 202644 min
episode S2 Ep1: "Stop Choosing Between People and Performance" with David Liddle cover

S2 Ep1: "Stop Choosing Between People and Performance" with David Liddle

In this episode, Tsvetelina Hinova sits down with David Liddle - a leading voice in people, culture, and leadership transformation. With over 25 years of experience, David shares why appreciation is not a “soft” concept, but a critical driver of performance, connection, and meaningful work. They explore why many organisations still struggle to take appreciation seriously -often relying on legacy systems built around control, hierarchy, and metrics - and what needs to shift for businesses to thrive truly. David introduces the idea of “and, not or” leadership - showing that leaders don’t have to choose between empathy and accountability. The most effective organisations are learning to do both. The conversation also dives into real-world transformation.  At organisations like the BBC, traditional grievance processes are being replaced with a “resolution-first” approach, focused on dialogue, trust, and early intervention. Managers are trained in “quality conversations” - building skills like active listening, curiosity, and emotional awareness to resolve issues before they escalate. David also shares examples from his work with organisations such as Aviva and Burberry, where embedding appreciation into leadership and culture has helped shift performance, engagement, and relationships at scale. If you’re rethinking leadership, culture, or how to build a more human workplace, this episode is full of actionable insights to get you started.

26. mar. 202645 min