Leading Ain't Easy
Ammie Bird (Brandon) led operations for 15 years at a Fortune 250 waste management company, one of the most male-dominated and physically dangerous industries around. She joins Ryan Calkins and John Moore for an honest conversation about earning respect, surviving a toxic work culture, and the limits of company support when things got genuinely dangerous. This one is for anyone who has had to prove themselves in a room that wasn't built for them. Ammie spent 15 years climbing the ranks in Waste Management operations, eventually managing a staff of over 120 people. Ryan and John talk with her about what that journey actually looked like, not the version that fits on a recruiting poster. Ammie walks through her early days proving herself to a skeptical, mostly male crew, including a moment hauling a "bulky item" pickup herself that became an unofficial test of whether she belonged. She and the hosts get into the language and culture of operations work, the overcompensation many women in male-dominated fields feel pressured into, and the small but telling details women often catch that men in the same rooms miss. The conversation gets into harder territory too. Ammie describes being recruited specifically to change a toxic site culture, only to find the support she was promised didn't always materialize. She talks candidly about being threatened at work, the company's response times falling short of what the moment required, and eventually making the decision to carry a firearm to work without telling her husband, who was sick at the time. Through all of it, Ammie returns to a few core ideas: lead people, manage processes, and don't try to be everything to everyone. Her "coffee, carrot, and egg" analogy for staying true to yourself under pressure is one of the more memorable frameworks to come out of this show. What's covered: * Earning credibility as one of the only women in an operations leadership role * The overcompensation pressure women face in male-dominated industries * What changes when you're recruited to fix a culture nobody else could * The real story behind carrying a firearm to work * Leading people vs. managing processes * The best leadership advice she ever received, and why it's stuck with her "Leading ain't easy, but you don't have to do it alone." Leading Ain't Easy was created by Ryan Calkins and Erny Epley, and is hosted by Ryan and John Moore. * Ryan is the founder of Reframe & Rise, where he works with veterans who transitioned successfully but still feel something's off; helping them find alignment, not just a better job title. * John is a certified life and career coach with 20+ years of experience helping people navigate transitions, find purpose, and lead with intention — drawing on backgrounds in corporate leadership, counseling, and entrepreneurship. * Erny runs Bus Pro Network, supporting school transportation leaders across California with training and development, and joins the show as an occasional guest. Subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you listen. Follow us on LinkedIn and Instagram for clips, prompts, and behind-the-scenes updates. If this episode resonated, please leave a review as it helps more leaders find us.
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