Bradley Hunt: The Difference Between Managing and Leading - 056

Bradley Hunt: The Difference Between Managing and Leading - 056

In this episode of Lunch with Leaders, host Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] sits down with Bradley Hunt [https://www.linkedin.com/in/bradley-hunt-77b9284/ ], an executive coach and co-founder of The Why Group [https://whygroup.com]. They explore the distinction between management (assigned from above) and leadership (earned from below).  Bradley shares insights on true succession planning, using a U.S. military command as a benchmark. He also champions The Leadership Challenge as the ultimate text for leaders, breaking down its five core practices: modeling the way, inspiring a shared vision, enabling others to act, challenging the process, and encouraging the heart. Leadership vs. management, succession planning, The Leadership Challenge, organizational development, Bradley Hunt, Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya, culture codification. Key Moments Bradley clarifies the difference between management and leadership: management is assigned from above, while leadership is defined by those who follow you (07:31). He critiques superficial succession planning, contrasting "circling the org chart" with the military's proactive approach of naming a successor five months into a two-year post (11:22). He highlights the necessity of humility, noting that Level 5 leaders combine talent with deep humility (14:43). Finally, he outlines the five practices of exemplary leadership, arguing that every other theory fits within this framework (18:36). Who is this for? This episode is for corporate leaders, managers, and organizational development professionals seeking to transition from merely managing teams to truly leading them. It is for those who want to understand the difference between a managerial role and a leadership calling, and how to implement strategic succession planning in their organizations. Timestamps * 00:43 – Welcome to Launch with Leaders and guest introduction. * 06:21 – What holds true about leadership across all industries? * 07:31 – The difference between management (assigned) and leadership (earned). * 08:26 – The problem with how most companies do succession planning. * 11:22 – A masterclass in succession planning from the U.S. Military. * 14:43 – Level 5 Leadership: The power of talent and humility. * 18:36 – Why The Leadership Challenge is the ultimate leadership book. * 19:02 – The 5 Practices of Exemplary Leadership explained. FAQs * What is the difference between a manager and a leader? A managerial role is assigned from above, while a leadership role comes from below (people choose to follow you). * What does effective succession planning look like? It is an active, organic process of grooming individuals for future roles long before a transition occurs, not just picking a name on an org chart. * What are the five practices of exemplary leadership? Modeling the way, inspiring a shared vision, enabling others to act, challenging the process, and encouraging the heart. Action Steps 1. Audit Your Role: Ask yourself, "Are my team members following me because I am their boss, or because they believe in my leadership?" 2. Read the Foundational Text: Pick up a copy of The Leadership Challenge by Kouzes and Posner to understand the five core pillars of leadership. 3. Model the Way: Codify your culture and ensure your daily actions align with the values you expect from your team. 4. Enable Others to Act: Review your personal productivity. If you are doing emails on the couch every night, you are not creating space to groom your team. 5. Rethink Succession: Identify one person on your team you can actively start mentoring for the next level, regardless of current vacancies.

The High Cost of Passive Hope - 055

Passive hope, career burnout, women in STEM leadership, autoimmune disease in women, career advancement, Restore Workshop, African Women in STEM, self-awareness. In this solo episode of Launch with Leaders, host Resources tackles the dangerous cost of "passive hope." ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Leadership Edge Diagnostic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/authorityshiftassessment⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Book a Strategy Call with ⁠⁠Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/african-women-in-stem/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the African Women in STEM Membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/MEMBERSHIP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit the African Women in STEM Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TEDX Talk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://youtu.be/xYcVJJKBQrY] She dismantles the myth that putting your head down and working hard will automatically lead to recognition and promotion. She explains how waiting for organizations to fix toxic cultures or workload issues is a passive decision that directly damages women's physical health, citing that 80% of autoimmune diagnoses are in women due to chronic stress and code-switching. She challenges listeners to stop waiting and make the non-negotiable decision to prioritize themselves. She also announces Restore, a virtual healing and resilience workshop on June 27, 2026, designed to help women leaders build sustainable careers. Resources ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Leadership Edge Diagnostic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/authorityshiftassessment⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Book a Strategy Call with ⁠⁠Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/african-women-in-stem/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the African Women in STEM Membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/MEMBERSHIP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit the African Women in STEM Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TEDX Talk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://youtu.be/xYcVJJKBQrY]

Dr. Anokhi Kapasi: Building Your Whole Life Scoreboard as Moms in STEM - 054

Women in STEM, working moms, career-life integration, forced choice trap, STEM retention, biomedical careers, whole life scoreboard, Anokhi Kapasi, Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya, CLIP. In this episode of Launch with Leaders, host ⁠Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] sits down with Dr. Anokhi Kapasi Sullivan [https://www.linkedin.com/in/anokhikapasi ], a biomedical consultant and founder of Solve for Mom. Together, they dismantle the "forced choice trap" causing high retention losses among women in STEM. Anokhi shares her Career Life Integration Protocol (CLIP), explaining how moms can stop using outdated, career-only metrics to measure success. She advocates for a "whole life scoreboard" and using constraints as data to build boundaries, emphasizing that boundaries are a professional skill that increases reliability. Key Moments Anokhi introduces the "forced choice trap", the script telling women they must either be serious scientists or present moms, leading to burnout (03:52). She explains why generic advice fails STEM professionals, who require deep focus (09:16). A pivotal moment occurs when Anokhi introduces the "whole life scoreboard," urging women to stop judging their integrated lives using career-only metrics (17:26). Adaeze highlights the engineering mindset of viewing "constraints as data," empowering women to design their lives strategically (25:22). Anokhi also redefines boundaries, explaining they improve credibility by clarifying expectations (39:23). Timestamps * 00:00 – Intro: Adaeze welcomes listeners to Launch with Leaders. * 01:31 – Guest Intro: Dr. Anokhi Kapasi's background in epidemiology. * 03:52 – The "Forced Choice Trap" and why women leave STEM. * 09:16 – Why generic work-life balance advice fails scientists. * 17:26 – The "Whole Life Scoreboard": Changing your success metrics. * 19:22 – Step-by-step: The Career Life Integration Protocol (CLIP). * 25:22 – Constraints are Data: Using systems thinking in life. * 39:23 – Redefining boundaries to improve your professional credibility. * 48:02 – The Focus Funnel: Eliminate, delegate, automate. FAQs * What is the "forced choice trap"? The false narrative that women must choose between focusing entirely on a demanding STEM career or sacrificing ambition to be a "good" mom. * What is the Career Life Integration Protocol (CLIP)? A framework by Anokhi Kapasi that helps women make career decisions as part of an integrated system, cross-checking choices against their whole-life vision. * Why do boundaries improve credibility? Boundaries clarify how and when you show up. Without them, you commit to everything, leading to rushed work. Action Steps 1. Audit Your Alignment: Assess where your career demands are misaligned with your broader life vision. 2. Update Your Scoreboard: Stop measuring success using only professional metrics; define what a "win" looks like for your health and family. 3. Use the Focus Funnel: Ask: What can I eliminate? What can I delegate? What can I automate? 4. Set a Clear Boundary: Define your working hours and communicate them clearly (e.g., "I am available from 8 AM to 4 PM"). LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anokhikapasi  [https://www.linkedin.com/in/anokhikapasi ] Website: https://solveformom.com [https://solveformom.com]

When Your Body Forces You to Stop: A Burnout Story - 053

Burnout in women, women in STEM wellness, high-achieving women, chronic illness, self-care for leaders, Tree of Life methodology, Restore Workshop, African Women in STEM. In this deeply personal solo episode of Launch with Leaders, ⁠Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] shares her own two-year burnout and health crisis to open a critical conversation about the silent epidemic affecting women in STEM and leadership. She explains how the body keeps score — absorbing years of overwork and microaggressions — until it breaks. Who is this for? This episode is for high-achieving women in STEM, women leaders, and professional women of color who are silently running on empty. It is for those who have normalized burnout, chronic illness, and overextension — and are ready to reclaim their health, energy, and wholeness before reaching the point of no return. Key Moments Adaeze opens with a raw, personal account of waking up unable to balance, ending up in the ER, and sleeping for four days straight — the moment her body forced her to stop (00:55).  She draws on the law of elasticity to explain that high achievers keep stretching until they pass their elastic limit, and there is no going back (13:13).  She also addresses the "I have no time" excuse, reframing it as a prioritization problem, not a time problem (11:18).  The episode closes with an invitation to the Restore Workshop, a structured immersive virtual experience to help women live well, lead well, and be whole (18:38). Timestamps * 00:00 – Intro: Welcome to Launch with Leaders. * 00:55 – Adaeze's personal health crisis: The morning it all stopped. * 04:17 – The high achiever's trap: Doing too much for too long. * 07:32 – The unique burden of women in STEM and women of color. * 08:42 – The Body Keeps Score: How stress lives in the body. * 11:18 – "I have no time" — reframing the real problem. * 13:13 – The law of elasticity: Why there's a point of no return. * 18:38 – Introducing Restore: The virtual wellness workshop. * 23:15 – How to register and get 10% off with code PODCAST. * What is the Restore Workshop? A full-day virtual immersive workshop on June 27, 2026, guided by narrative therapist Ncazelo Ndlovu using the Tree of Life methodology to help women heal and reconnect with their strength. * What is the Tree of Life methodology? A globally recognized healing framework used in over 60 countries to support resilience, identity, and recovery from trauma. * How do I get a ticket? Visit link.africanwomeninstem.com/Restore and use code PODCAST for 10% off. 1. Do the Time Audit: For two days, write down everything you do and how long it takes. Identify where your time is actually going. 2. Name Your Episodes: If you are experiencing recurring physical symptoms, acknowledge them as signals — not inconveniences — and speak to a doctor. 3. Protect Your Energy: Identify one commitment this week you can reduce or delegate to create space for yourself. 4. Register for Restore: Visit link.africanwomeninstem.com/Restore and use code PODCAST for 10% off the June 27th workshop. 5. Leave a Review: Help other women find this episode by leaving a review on the Launch with Leaders podcast. FAQs Resources ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Leadership Edge Diagnostic⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/authorityshiftassessment⁠]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Book a Strategy Call with ⁠⁠Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [ ⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/StrategyCall⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/company/african-women-in-stem/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Follow African Women in STEM on Instagram ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://www.instagram.com/africanwomenin_stem/] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Join the African Women in STEM Membership⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://link.africanwomeninstem.com/MEMBERSHIP⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Visit the African Women in STEM Website⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://africanwomeninstem.com] ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Watch Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya's ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TEDX Talk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ on YouTube⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ [https://youtu.be/xYcVJJKBQrY]

Ncazelo Ncube-Milo: A Culturally Sensitive Approach to Trauma and Narrative Healing

In this episode of Lunch with Leaders, host Adaeze Iloeje-Udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠ [⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/adaeze-iloeje-udeogalanya⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠] interviews psychologist Ncazelo Ncube-Milo [https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncazelo-ncube-49412751/]. Internationally recognized for her culturally sensitive trauma work, Ncazelo discusses the global impact of the Tree of Life methodology, now used in 30+ countries. The conversation explores narrative healing, the power of storytelling in recovery, and how reclaiming cultural identity leads to personal transformation. This episode offers a unique perspective on leadership through community healing and the "re-authoring" of one's life story in 2026. Who is this for? This content is for mental health professionals, community leaders, and women in STEM seeking culturally sensitive approaches to healing. It is relevant for those dealing with trauma or identity challenges who want to move beyond "problem-saturated" narratives and reconnect with their inherent strengths. Timestamps * 01:29 – Intro to Ncazelo Ndlovu and her international trauma work. * 03:51 – Origins of the Tree of Life methodology in Zimbabwe. * 05:57 – The Tree metaphor: Roots, Heritage, and Hopes. * 07:51 – What is Narrative Therapy? Moving beyond the "problem story." * 09:36 – Reconnecting with "second stories" and personal agency. * 11:54 – Previewing the workshop for women in STEM. * 14:48 – The power of witnessing and communal healing. * 35:42 – Closing remarks and how to support the mission. FAQs * What is the Tree of Life methodology? A counseling tool using tree metaphors to help people talk about their strengths and heritage without being overwhelmed by trauma. * How does Narrative Therapy differ from traditional therapy? It helps individuals separate themselves from their problems and find "alternative stories" of hope and skill. * Can this work in professional settings? Yes. Ncazelo helps leaders rediscover their "magic sauce" and align their work with core values. Action Steps 1. Map Your Roots: Write down the traditions and people that make you strong. 2. Identify Your "Second Story": Intentionally look for a story of a time you were successful or hopeful when facing a problem. 3. Practice Witnessing: Listen to a colleague's story without judgment, focusing on their demonstrated strengths. 4. Join the Workshop: Participate in the upcoming Tree of Life session to experience narrative healing firsthand. Audit Your Narrative: Ask yourself, "Is the story I'm telling right now bringing me hope or keeping me stuck?" Website: https://phola.org [https://phola.org/ ] LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncazelo-ncube-49412751 [https://www.linkedin.com/in/ncazelo-ncube-49412751/]