Episode 19: Krista Kim - Redesigning Healing through Digital Sanctuaries

Episode 20: Dr. Danny Sands - The Magician, the Physician, and the Future of Participatory Medicine

Participatory medicine as a new kind of magic — and whythe future of care may depend on turning information into collaboration, not control. Welcome to the ⁠⁠⁠North of Patient⁠⁠⁠ podcast —conversations on health[beyond]care — where we paint aninspired landscape of healthcare’s future through dialogues with creative and unconventional thinkers from around the world. For a summary of the episode,visit the ⁠⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠⁠ on ⁠North of Patient⁠. [https://northofpatient.substack.com/publish/post/204184243?r=53lxdt&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true] Today’s guest is Dr. Danny Sands, primary carephysician, clinical informaticist, and pioneer in participatory medicine who has spent his career reimagining the relationship between patients, clinicians, and technology. In this episode, we dive into the evolution of digitalhealth — from early electronic health records, clinical decision-support tools, patient portals, and email communication, to the rise of LLMs and AI-driven care. Danny shares how his early fascination with magic shaped the way he thinks about medicine and why healthcare works best when patients andclinicians collaborate as partners. We also explore information asymmetry, physician burnout, the future of primary care, and how intelligent systems might restore time, wisdom, and human connection to medicine. Key stamps from our conversation are below: 00:21 – Meet Dr. Danny Sands: From Childhood Magician to Physician02:55 – The Magician and the Healer: Why Trust Is Central to Medicine04:21 – Discovering the Limits of Memory-Based Medicine06:00 – Finding Medical Informatics and the Promise of Better Clinical Tools09:31 – Building Early Health Technology at Beth Israel12:48 – Designing Tools Clinicians Actually Want to Use14:06 – From Clinical Calculators to Early Electronic Health Records18:15 – Patient Portals, Email, and the Birth of Participatory Medicine23:18 – E-Patients, Dave deBronkart, and the Society for Participatory Medicine26:50 – Why Healthcare Should Be a Collaboration, Not a Car Wash31:00 – Burnout, Bad EHRs, and Human Connection in Medicine41:00 – Information Symmetry: How Patients, Physicians, and LLMs Are ChangingCare52:19 – Scaling Primary Care with AI, Autonomous Agents, and Human Wisdom

Episode 19: Krista Kim - Redesigning Healing through Digital Sanctuaries

Data sovereignty, the risks of AI centralization, and why our heartbeat may hold a key to protecting our digital identity in a rapidly shifting world. Welcome to the ⁠⁠⁠North of Patient⁠⁠⁠ podcast - conversations on health[beyond]care - where we paint an inspired landscape of healthcare's future through dialogues with creative and unconventional thinkers from around the world. For a summary of the episode, visit the ⁠⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠⁠ on ⁠North of Patient⁠ [https://open.substack.com/pub/northofpatient/p/episode-18-ai-mental-health-and-the?r=53lxdt&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true]. Today’s guest is Krista Kim, contemporary digital artist, founder of the Techism movement, and one of the most visionary voices at the intersection of art, technology, and human healing. In this episode, we dive into art as a healing tool, meditation as ancient technology, and how the design of our surroundings shapes mental and physical well-being. Krista reveals how immersive tech and sound create sanctuaries for reflection and presence, while also advocating for data sovereignty and exploring the risks of centralized AI. Key stamps from our conversation are below:00:00 – Welcome to Episode 19!02:30 – Heart Space: AI biometric art installations in Barcelona, Amsterdam, London & Seoul03:20 – From political science to digital art: McLuhan’s influence on Krista’s worldview07:24 – “Light is the new ink”: the birth of the Techism Manifesto08:30 – Meditation, martial arts and connecting to higher purpose20:13 – Growing Up in a Healing Household23:59 – Facebook and the Inspiration for Techno-Feudalism28:21 – Art + Healthcare: Aesthetics, Empathy, and the Healing Environment32:16 – Digital Sovereignty: Your Heartbeat as Your Password45:06 – Mars House: Building Immersive Virtual Environments for Healing50:00 – Exploring 3D digital assets, Architectural Innovation, and AI-Powered Ownership.58:15 – Sound Healing & Theta Waves: Creativity and Emotional Recovery01:02:00 – Looking Forward: Krista’s Advice for Health Leaders & What’s Next

Episode 18: AI, Mental Health, and the Mirror of the Mind – A Conversation with Dr. Nick Sahar

Open-source AI as a tool for self-reflection—and why mistaking machines for minds could be our biggest blind spot.Welcome to the ⁠⁠⁠North of Patient⁠⁠⁠ podcast - conversations on health[beyond]care - where we paint an inspired landscape of healthcare's future through dialogues with creative and unconventional thinkers from around the world. For a summary of the episode, visit the ⁠⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠⁠ on North of Patient [https://open.substack.com/pub/northofpatient/p/episode-18-ai-mental-health-and-the?r=53lxdt&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true].Today we sit down with Dr. Nick Sahar– a digital health entrepreneur, AI researcher, and medical doctor passionate about using artificial intelligence to elevate human well-being. He is best known as the co-founder of Semantic Health, an AI startup launched out of medical school. He has worked at the intersection of medicine and AI since 2017, contributing research to early transformer architectures through the Vector Institute and serving as a reviewer at leading machine learning conferences including NeurIPS and ICML. In this episode, we explore how AI can be used to foster personal growth, the dangers of anthropomorphizing AI, and the potential of open-source development.Key stamps from our conversation are below:00:00 - Welcome to Episode 18!02:07 - Meet Nick Sahar: From Med Student to Startup Founder09:42 - A Toothbrush That Detects Stress? Early Startup Experiments11:35 - Discovering the Bottleneck: How Medical Coding Sparked the Idea for Semantic16:44 - Why Nick Chose Systems-Level Healthcare Over the Clinic19:34 - Semantic’s Journey: Founding, Scaling, and Innovating AI in Healthcare Data Coding28:04 - The “Last Mile” Challenge: Balancing AI Autonomy and Human Touch in Complex Tasks31:02 - Exploring Mental Health, Bias, and the Future of Human-AI Interaction41:58 - Personalizing Mental Health AI and Navigating the Risks of Anthropomorphized Intelligence43:45 - Neuralink, Telepathy, and the Dystopian Black Mirror Future of Brain-AI Connections46:19 - The Urgent Need for Open Source Solutions Amidst Social Disconnect and Global AI Power Struggles53:04 - Physicians Must Partner with AI, Not Be Replaced by It01:03:00 - Making AI Your Smartest Intelligence Upgrade Yet01:05:00 - Yoga, Nature, and the Radical Power of Logging Off

Episode 17: Dr. Jay Parkinson - Pioneering Virtual Primary Care

Reimagining primary care through digital-first thinking, clinician-guided AI, and radical service design. Welcome to the ⁠⁠⁠North of Patient⁠⁠⁠ podcast - conversations on health[beyond]care - where we paint an inspired landscape of healthcare's future through dialogues with creative and unconventional thinkers from around the world. For a summary of the episode, visit the ⁠⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠⁠ on ⁠North of Patient. [https://open.substack.com/pub/northofpatient/p/episode-16-nina-maturu-designing?r=53lxdt&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true] Today we sit down with Dr. Jay Parkinson, MD, MPH – a physician turned product visionary. Known for co-founding Sherpaa, inventors of Virtual Primary Care, Jay spent the last two decades redefining what healthcare could look like. Over the past 18 years, he's built online healthcare companies that have served more than 500,000 patients from major companies like Apple, Amazon, and Microsoft, and now leads Automate.clinic to help make AI in healthcare safer and more reliable. In this episode, Jay unpacks what it means to approach healthcare as a service, explores what large language models are doing well—and where they fall short—and shares insights into his latest venture Key stamps from our conversation are below: 00:00 Welcome to Episode 1701:57 - Meet Dr. Jay Parkinson 04:01 - How Flickr, photography and the iPhone kickstarted Jay’s Journey 07:40 - Launching Hello Health: Early Days of Virtual Primary Care 13:24 - Using Tumblr to Build Planned Parenthood’s Digital Sex Ed Strategy 16:47 - Can You Use ChatGPT as Your Personal Therapist? 21:19 - Designing Healthcare Systems Amid Bureaucratic Barriers 26:03 - Establishing Continuous Care with Sherpaa’s Asynchronous Model 28:34 - Building from Scratch Versus Navigating Big Company Complexities 32:08 - Automate.clinic: Where Doctors Don’t See Patients – They Train AI Models 42:35 - Talking Less, Saying More: The Power of Asynchronous Communication 48:24 - The Growing Professional Depression Among Family Physicians and How Automate.clinic Is Making a Difference 53:00 - Hope and Optimism in a World Overwhelmed by Digital Noise

Episode 16: Nina Maturu - Designing Tomorrow through Ethics, AI, and Optimism

Shaping the future of health through speculative design, ethical AI, and the power of human-centred innovation. Welcome to the ⁠⁠⁠North of Patient⁠⁠⁠ podcast - conversations on health[beyond]care - where we paint an inspired landscape of healthcare's future through dialogues with creative and unconventional thinkers from around the world. For a summary of the episode, visit the ⁠⁠⁠blog post⁠⁠⁠ on North of Patient. [https://open.substack.com/pub/northofpatient/p/episode-16-nina-maturu-designing?r=53lxdt&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true] This week’s guest is Nina Maturu — an innovation strategist, seasoned designer, and futurist. Nina recently wrapped up her term as a White House Presidential Innovation Fellow, where she advised on bold innovations at ARPA-H and led future-focused strategy at NASA, helping the agency explore emerging technologies and trends that could shape human life through 2050. Join us as we explore topics such as the ethics of data usage, the need for restraint in an accelerating AI landscape, and what it genuinely means to embed human-centered thinking into some of the most complex and technical corners of healthcare. Key stamps from our conversation are below: 00:00 Welcome to Episode 16 02:42 Meet Nina Maturu: Innovation Strategist, Designer, and Futurist 03:33 Groundwork in Global Community Organizing & Participatory Design 06:36 Translating Human-Centred Design into Corporate Innovation 08:18 Integrating Community and Corporate Experience to Drive Social Change 09:40 From ARPA H to NASA: Nina’s Impact as a White House Presidential Innovation Fellow 14:10 The Role of a Designer at ARPA-H: Desirability, Viability, and Feasibility 19:46 Designing for the Distant Future with NASA 23:09 A Dual Lens Approach: Integrating Generalist and Expert Views in Design Consulting 26:26 Partnering with the United Nations Foundation: A Public Health Initiative in Haiti 30:02 Centering Lived Experience in Medicine 31:28 The Promises and Perils of Affectionate AI 37:06 Designing Restraint in a Rapidly Evolving AI Landscape 44:13 Anticipating AI’s Long-Term Effects on Society and the Environment 45:59 AI Persuasion Experiment: Can AI Bots Outperform Human Experts? 48:35 Determining Liability when AI Causes Harm 51:42 Beyond Doomsday: How AI Pushes Us to Imagine a New Future 58:10 Embracing Diverse Perspectives to Shape an Unpredictable Future