Pain to Performance
You love them. You know you love them. And they love you. But you keep having the same fight, the same words, the same walls going up, and the same silence afterwards. And every time it happens, you wonder: is this who we are now? In this episode of Pain to Performance, host Bradley Morgan sits down with Jeff Shore, a licensed marriage and family therapist in San Francisco who may have the most interesting career path of any guest to ever sit in this chair. Before becoming a therapist, Jeff founded a national cocaine hotline that took over a million calls and was published in the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine. He appeared on Good Morning America, the Today Show, and Time magazine. He lobbied Congress for the ASPCA. He worked as a recording engineer in a Manhattan studio staying up all night with rap artists. He taught sixth grade in Hawaii. He managed technology for a British bank from Tokyo. And then he walked away from all of it because he realized he had been chasing excitement instead of meaning. That search for meaning brought him full circle to the one thing that always mattered: helping people change. And today, his couples work is built around a framework he calls the four desires and the seven fears. Every person in a relationship is balancing four core desires: connection, autonomy, security, and adventure. One partner votes for more connection while the other votes for more autonomy. One craves security while the other needs adventure. And most of the fights couples have are not about the dishes or the schedule. They are about which desire gets priority. But the part of this conversation that will stop you in your tracks is the seven fears. Jeff explains that when a partner actually starts to change, something unexpected happens. The other partner gets scared. They think it is not really happening, or it is not authentic, or it is only because the therapist said to do it, or they will just go back to the way they were, or what about all the years they were not like this. Those fears ride shotgun with every hope you carry into a relationship. Jeff also walks through somatic exercises he uses in sessions, including having couples sit close enough to touch, look into each other's eyes, and rate how open their heart feels on a scale of one to ten. He explains why having hard conversations in a car triggers a primitive danger response in the brain, why giving advice is actually a subtle power play, and why the most important shift he ever made as a sixth-grade teacher in Hawaii (catching kids being good instead of catching them being bad) is the exact same tool he uses with couples today. Topics covered: couples therapy, marriage counseling, relationship advice, four desires in relationships, connection vs autonomy, security vs adventure, seven fears of change, negative cycle, empathic listening, somatic therapy, attachment styles, love languages, communication in relationships, power dynamics, conflict in relationships, imposter syndrome, career change, finding meaning, mind-body connection, radical acceptance, relationship cycles, catching your partner being good, emotional intelligence, couples exercises, eye contact therapy To connect with Jeff Shore: jeff@sfshore.com [jeff@sfshore.com] Listen to Pain to Performance on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and YouTube. Website: paintoperformancepodcast.com [http://paintoperformancepodcast.com] Follow, subscribe, and leave a review. If this episode made you think of the person you love, send it to them. Better yet, listen to it together. Pain is rarely a solo experience and a good conversation is better shared.
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