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Steven Swarbrick conceives of a world where Palestine is free because none of us "belong"

1 h 0 min · 4. juni 2026
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What might the politics of masochism be able to do for the dangerously stagnant politics of liberation Is masochism more mobilizing than empathy? Empathy requires the Palestinian to be a "perfect victim," to use Mohammed El-Kurd's phrase. It says that the other must remain othered in its incomprehensible but familiar suffering. Masochism, on the other hand, insists that we are all Palestinian, or that we are not free until we are all free.It's too easy to forget that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. The idea of building solidarity by engaging with the question of how solidarity is created and sustained feels relevant right now, as even ersatz or gestural solidarity fades from view. Even when it was front and center, that gestural solidarity clearly wasn't generating the systemic transformation needed to produce an end to Israeli apartheid, the Zionist regime's immiseration and domination of Gaza. The expanding solidarity the world has seen since 2023--with the erasure of thousands of Palestinian lives, the reduction of Gaza to rubble, the increased suffocation of life in the West Bank and the ramping up of Israel's imperial ambitions in the region more broadly--has done effectively nothing to stem the perpetrating of ethnonationalist violence. Dwelling with that fact leads us to talk about the encampments that spontaneously formed on university campuses as part of the global solidarity movement. At the core of the discussion is this question of how a movement that seems unstoppable can still be stopped, and what it means to try and keep going, especially at a time when ultra-right militarism and US-Israeli nationalism is becoming more explicitly fascistic in nature. As Swarbrick puts it in his book: the US state is now focused on what you call "maintenance." This is "maintenance of the idea that this is it, that there can be no other way of things, no other world but the world as we know it, a world devoid of the event, truth, equality, and freedom." I ask Steven, ultimately, whether there is any choice but the choice of division, the choice of opposing oneself against the fascist goons who talk openly about wanting to see the world burn. His response hinges on the inherent violence of "belonging," and the goal of embracing a different kind of radical love that isn't just invested in identification with a cause. ⁠#freegaza⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#don⁠⁠tstoptalkingaboutpalestine ⁠⁠#israel⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#zionism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#usempire⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#imperialism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#lebanon⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#iran⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#antioppression⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#anticolonialism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#antiimperialism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#psychoanalysis⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#liberation⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#leftpolitics⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#nationalism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#ethnonationalism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#genocide⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#gazagenocide⁠⁠

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episode Steven Swarbrick conceives of a world where Palestine is free because none of us "belong" cover

Steven Swarbrick conceives of a world where Palestine is free because none of us "belong"

What might the politics of masochism be able to do for the dangerously stagnant politics of liberation Is masochism more mobilizing than empathy? Empathy requires the Palestinian to be a "perfect victim," to use Mohammed El-Kurd's phrase. It says that the other must remain othered in its incomprehensible but familiar suffering. Masochism, on the other hand, insists that we are all Palestinian, or that we are not free until we are all free.It's too easy to forget that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. The idea of building solidarity by engaging with the question of how solidarity is created and sustained feels relevant right now, as even ersatz or gestural solidarity fades from view. Even when it was front and center, that gestural solidarity clearly wasn't generating the systemic transformation needed to produce an end to Israeli apartheid, the Zionist regime's immiseration and domination of Gaza. The expanding solidarity the world has seen since 2023--with the erasure of thousands of Palestinian lives, the reduction of Gaza to rubble, the increased suffocation of life in the West Bank and the ramping up of Israel's imperial ambitions in the region more broadly--has done effectively nothing to stem the perpetrating of ethnonationalist violence. Dwelling with that fact leads us to talk about the encampments that spontaneously formed on university campuses as part of the global solidarity movement. At the core of the discussion is this question of how a movement that seems unstoppable can still be stopped, and what it means to try and keep going, especially at a time when ultra-right militarism and US-Israeli nationalism is becoming more explicitly fascistic in nature. As Swarbrick puts it in his book: the US state is now focused on what you call "maintenance." This is "maintenance of the idea that this is it, that there can be no other way of things, no other world but the world as we know it, a world devoid of the event, truth, equality, and freedom." I ask Steven, ultimately, whether there is any choice but the choice of division, the choice of opposing oneself against the fascist goons who talk openly about wanting to see the world burn. His response hinges on the inherent violence of "belonging," and the goal of embracing a different kind of radical love that isn't just invested in identification with a cause. ⁠#freegaza⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#don⁠⁠tstoptalkingaboutpalestine ⁠⁠#israel⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#zionism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#usempire⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#imperialism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#lebanon⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#iran⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#antioppression⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#anticolonialism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#antiimperialism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#psychoanalysis⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#liberation⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#leftpolitics⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#nationalism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#ethnonationalism⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#genocide⁠⁠ ⁠⁠#gazagenocide⁠⁠

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episode Ava Val believes in comedy as a source of joy, site of community and weapon against cynicism cover

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