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July 8, 2026 — Eugenics: Our Interview with Anita Chan Revisited

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In 2025, Anita Say Chan’s book, Predatory Data: Eugenics in Big Tech and Our Fight for an Independent Future [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/predatory-data-anita-say-chan/1145200531?ref=the-geyser.com], was published by the University of California Press. This led to a review here [https://www.the-geyser.com/review-predatory-data/], and we became immediate fans of her insights and research trajectory. We also conducted an email interview [https://www.the-geyser.com/interview-anita-chan-author-of-predatory-data/] with Chan back in June 2025, before we were any good at podcasting. That interview is absolutely riveting, with dozens of insights that will give you pause. Then, in September 2025, we had the chance to do a podcast interview with Chan, where we discussed: * the path from Big Data to eugenics to the surveillance economy * the role academia has played in enabling much of this * our lurch toward tech-led authoritarianism * our confusion of metrics with merit * Big Tech’s monoculture and paranoia It’s a great interview. Given renewed attention on both “soft eugenics” and eugenics in scientific publications — preprints [https://www.the-geyser.com/theres-eugenics-in-them-preprints/] and otherwise [https://www.the-geyser.com/hey/] — we thought it would be a good idea to revisit this. We’d also like to mention a recent paper [https://maa.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/29932955.2026.2665847] by Helen Burn about Galton and the history of eugenics in statistics and at University College London (UCL). Chan references the history, as well. Discoveries of the Week (also revisited) * Sniffing out the platypus [https://youtu.be/ZEl5RJiiLbk] [video] Subscribe today * Subscribe [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-disrupted-science-podcast/id1822274221?ref=the-geyser.com] on Apple Podcasts * Subscribe [https://open.spotify.com/show/0ykJaYbzqed0VEUypuXACC?ref=the-geyser.com] on Spotify * Subscribe [https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/dd5cccff-0f34-4907-8f63-a4f3e8eaa3e9?ref=the-geyser.com] on Amazon Music/Audible * Subscribe [https://www.youtube.com/@DisruptedScience?ref=the-geyser.com] on YouTube Music provided by Provoke the Truth — https://provokethetruth.net/ [https://provokethetruth.net/?ref=the-geyser.com]

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episode July 8, 2026 — Eugenics: Our Interview with Anita Chan Revisited cover

July 8, 2026 — Eugenics: Our Interview with Anita Chan Revisited

In 2025, Anita Say Chan’s book, Predatory Data: Eugenics in Big Tech and Our Fight for an Independent Future [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/predatory-data-anita-say-chan/1145200531?ref=the-geyser.com], was published by the University of California Press. This led to a review here [https://www.the-geyser.com/review-predatory-data/], and we became immediate fans of her insights and research trajectory. We also conducted an email interview [https://www.the-geyser.com/interview-anita-chan-author-of-predatory-data/] with Chan back in June 2025, before we were any good at podcasting. That interview is absolutely riveting, with dozens of insights that will give you pause. Then, in September 2025, we had the chance to do a podcast interview with Chan, where we discussed: * the path from Big Data to eugenics to the surveillance economy * the role academia has played in enabling much of this * our lurch toward tech-led authoritarianism * our confusion of metrics with merit * Big Tech’s monoculture and paranoia It’s a great interview. Given renewed attention on both “soft eugenics” and eugenics in scientific publications — preprints [https://www.the-geyser.com/theres-eugenics-in-them-preprints/] and otherwise [https://www.the-geyser.com/hey/] — we thought it would be a good idea to revisit this. We’d also like to mention a recent paper [https://maa.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/29932955.2026.2665847] by Helen Burn about Galton and the history of eugenics in statistics and at University College London (UCL). Chan references the history, as well. Discoveries of the Week (also revisited) * Sniffing out the platypus [https://youtu.be/ZEl5RJiiLbk] [video] Subscribe today * Subscribe [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-disrupted-science-podcast/id1822274221?ref=the-geyser.com] on Apple Podcasts * Subscribe [https://open.spotify.com/show/0ykJaYbzqed0VEUypuXACC?ref=the-geyser.com] on Spotify * Subscribe [https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/dd5cccff-0f34-4907-8f63-a4f3e8eaa3e9?ref=the-geyser.com] on Amazon Music/Audible * Subscribe [https://www.youtube.com/@DisruptedScience?ref=the-geyser.com] on YouTube Music provided by Provoke the Truth — https://provokethetruth.net/ [https://provokethetruth.net/?ref=the-geyser.com]

I går1 h 23 min
episode July 1, 2026 — Book Time Approacheth cover

July 1, 2026 — Book Time Approacheth

We’re finally in the long-awaited tunnel to people buying and reading our book. It seems like forever, yet the book also strikes us as more relevant than ever. As with most things set into motion, the path has contained some surprises. One was that the initial publication date (July 21st) was pushed back to August 4th due to supply chain issues. However, three book signings had already been scheduled, so the publisher has arranged for books to be available early at these pre-publication signings: * * Porter Square Books in Cambridge, July 21st — more information/RSVP [https://portersquarebooks.com/event/2026-07-21/kent-anderson-and-joy-moore-authors-how-internet-disrupted-science] * Jabberwocky Books in Newburyport, July 24th — more information/RSVP [https://jabberwockybookshop.com/event/2026-07-24/author-event-kent-anderson-joy-moores-how-internet-disrupted-science] * Northshire Books in Manchester, VT, July 25th — more information/RSVP [https://northshire.com/event/2026-07-25/northshire-manchester-kent-anderson-and-joy-moore-how-internet-disrupted-science] This week, we discuss having a “platform” for the book, recording podcast interviews, drafting potential op-eds, dealing with reviews and early feedback, and some fun experiences we’ve already had. We also discuss a mental challenge that sneaked up on us — so much time has passed and so much has changed since we put pens down, we have to become comfortable about talking about the book as if it’s a new thing, when for us it’s more than a year or two old. We also share our “Discoveries of the Week.” * * Link [https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/a-nearly-200-year-old-cemetery-comes-alive-after-dark-where-the-dead-share-space-with-frogs-toads-and-the-scientists-listening-to-them/articleshow/131990586.cms] to Kent’s discovery about frogs. * PNAS paper [https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2535823123] discussed. Subscribe to our podcast * Subscribe [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-disrupted-science-podcast/id1822274221?ref=the-geyser.com] on Apple Podcasts * Subscribe [https://open.spotify.com/show/0ykJaYbzqed0VEUypuXACC?ref=the-geyser.com] on Spotify * Subscribe [https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/dd5cccff-0f34-4907-8f63-a4f3e8eaa3e9?ref=the-geyser.com] on Amazon Music/Audible * Subscribe [https://www.youtube.com/@DisruptedScience?ref=the-geyser.com] on YouTube Music provided by Provoke the Truth — https://provokethetruth.net/ [https://provokethetruth.net/?ref=the-geyser.com]

1. juli 202646 min
episode June 18, 2026 — Let’s Talk Impact Factor cover

June 18, 2026 — Let’s Talk Impact Factor

Quantification as proxy for qualification of scientific and academic publications has been around for a very long time.  Today, we touch a little on the history of bibliometrics and scientometrics, but not as much as in the chapter in our book [https://www.disruptedscience.com/], where we go into the metrics of it all over the last 30 years. Griping about the JIF has been going on for decades. “Responsible use” or “don’t count it” per DORA “should” statements, etc., and to no avail because in the end it is a commercial product that influences careers, university rankings, and provides fodder for profit-driven publishers all over the world. Constraints on publication made it a reliable measure of centrality in a community. Disrupting constraints on publication via cascading portfolios, pop-up journals, special issues, AI slop, and preprints has compromised the JIF. Researchers no longer recognize lists of high impact journals in their fields. Clarivate has not addressed in their marketing copy how their 2026 product accounts for what is actually happening in scientific publishing today. They highlight “transparency,” “publisher-neutral,” “6th decade of trust,” and “responsible use,” but the reality is that what they are selling includes fake citations, fake papers, real citations to fake papers, real papers citing fake papers, paid-for authorships, author appropriations, journals that have gone hybrid or OA getting rankings boosts because they are easier to be cited, including by AI, etc.  What’s different today, even moreso than a year ago, is that the tricks and schemes to use scientific papers as currency for various reasons are known, and turbo-charged by AI. We’ll be talking more about this in the coming months. But we wanted for now to have a frank conversation about the JIF during “announcements week.” It’s our effort to make you a little more aware of what’s going on in the trust marker and metrics space from our point of view. Subscribe to our podcast * Subscribe [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-disrupted-science-podcast/id1822274221?ref=the-geyser.com] on Apple Podcasts * Subscribe [https://open.spotify.com/show/0ykJaYbzqed0VEUypuXACC?ref=the-geyser.com] on Spotify * Subscribe [https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/dd5cccff-0f34-4907-8f63-a4f3e8eaa3e9?ref=the-geyser.com] on Amazon Music/Audible * Subscribe [https://www.youtube.com/@DisruptedScience?ref=the-geyser.com] on YouTube Music provided by Provoke the Truth — https://provokethetruth.net/ [https://provokethetruth.net/?ref=the-geyser.com]

18. juni 202652 min
episode May 27, 2026 — Relevance Check cover

May 27, 2026 — Relevance Check

We turned the manuscript for our book in almost a year ago now, but we were working feverishly on it around this time given that MAHA was busy undermining vaccine science even then. Now, a year later, how is our book looking? More or less relevant? In this episode, we take a walk of some key chapter to find out: * Trapped In the Tech Shrine * An Ad Model for Scientific Claims   * Everything Counts, Nothing Matters  * Amateur Hour * “Code Is Law”  * The Price of “Free”  * Feudalism Makes a Comeback   * Not the Same as the Old Boss   * What Does an LLM “Know”?   * Unnatural Science   Bottom line?  The book is more obviously relevant, but perhaps like other books we’ve heard authors reflecting upon after publication, we didn’t go far or hard enough. We also include our “Discoveries of the Week.” Subscribe to our podcast * Subscribe [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-disrupted-science-podcast/id1822274221?ref=the-geyser.com] on Apple Podcasts * Subscribe [https://open.spotify.com/show/0ykJaYbzqed0VEUypuXACC?ref=the-geyser.com] on Spotify * Subscribe [https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/dd5cccff-0f34-4907-8f63-a4f3e8eaa3e9?ref=the-geyser.com] on Amazon Music/Audible * Subscribe [https://www.youtube.com/@DisruptedScience?ref=the-geyser.com] on YouTube Music provided by Provoke the Truth — https://provokethetruth.net/ [https://provokethetruth.net/?ref=the-geyser.com]

27. maj 202654 min
episode May 13, 2026 — The Podcast Pivot cover

May 13, 2026 — The Podcast Pivot

We’ve been doing our podcast [https://disruptedscience.podbean.com/] for nearly a full year, starting right as we were putting our pencils down from writing the book [https://www.disruptedscience.com/]. We didn’t know quite what to expect, but we were excited to try something new, and we learned how to do a podcast, which felt like an accomplishment. We’ve also has some great interviews: * AI experts (the professor kind) * Librarians (who serve communities of students and faculties) * Historians (who put today things into context) * Business professors (who talked about incentives) * Artists (who create) * Scientists (who study and learn) * Up-and-coming leaders (who have perspective for the next generation) * Public health experts (who are having to fight for the right to do their jobs) * Silicon Valley insiders (who know where the money comes from) * Philosophers (who think about the big picture) * Editors (who do the work) We’ve covered a few very active topics in a variety of ways: * MAHA * AI * OA This all allowed us to keep learning while we put the finishing touches on the book and got closer to publication date. But now, we are going to pivot . . . Our book is coming out, so we’re focusing on everything that goes into that, while leaving coverage of developments to “The Geyser” and writing there. We also have some other projects in the works that are going to require a lot of focus, so we’re using the time saved doing this to focus on those. Basically, we’re not sure what the podcast will be now. Here are some possibilities: * Once in a while, we may have episodes like the ones you’ve heard before * We may make some announcements about the book or have interviews with people involved with it in some way * We may podcast from an event like a signing or talk * We may have announcements about the other big projects we’re working on * We may just jump on it if something crazy happens and we want to talk with you about it So, stay subscribed to the feed, and we’ll show up soon enough with something we hope you’ll find interesting — we’re just not entirely sure what it might be! We also will continue to have our “Discoveries of the Week” every time. This week, they include a history of jaywalking: * https://www.npr.org/2026/05/10/nx-s1-5813709/diving-deep-into-the-fascinating-history-of-americas-jaywalking-laws [https://www.npr.org/2026/05/10/nx-s1-5813709/diving-deep-into-the-fascinating-history-of-americas-jaywalking-laws] Subscribe to our podcast * Subscribe [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-disrupted-science-podcast/id1822274221?ref=the-geyser.com] on Apple Podcasts * Subscribe [https://open.spotify.com/show/0ykJaYbzqed0VEUypuXACC?ref=the-geyser.com] on Spotify * Subscribe [https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/dd5cccff-0f34-4907-8f63-a4f3e8eaa3e9?ref=the-geyser.com] on Amazon Music/Audible * Subscribe [https://www.youtube.com/@DisruptedScience?ref=the-geyser.com] on YouTube Music provided by Provoke the Truth — https://provokethetruth.net/ [https://provokethetruth.net/?ref=the-geyser.com]

13. maj 202630 min