Waste Nexus Podcast
This episode features a returning guest, Matt Hillin of Lakeside Acquisitions, for a wide-ranging conversation with Brian and Charlie Dolan about the financial mechanics of the waste industry. Drawing on a background that runs from a civil engineering degree at MIT through oil-and-gas engineering, investment banking, and corporate development M&A, Matt brings a numbers-first perspective you don't often hear on the operating side. The discussion digs into why the waste industry behaves so differently from frothier sectors like AI and SaaS: the shift away from the zero-interest-rate era of venture-funded waste brokerages, why managing physical service is hard to scale like pure software, and the growing role of private equity on both the hard-asset and asset-light sides of the business. Matt, Charlie, and Brian unpack the consolidation playbook of the big four or five haulers, the serial-entrepreneur "build, sell, wait out the non-compete, repeat" cycle that feeds their pipeline, and GFL's distinctive land-and-expand strategy. They also get practical for owners thinking about an exit: where the M&A sweet spot sits, why upper-single-digit EBITDA multiples are realistic for scaled, well-run operations, and how a real management hierarchy can be worth turns of EBITDA at sale. Plus a candid take on technology's real impact on valuation, why homegrown software can be a liability to a buyer, and the regulatory squeeze, EPR, commercial waste zoning, and disposal scarcity, shaping pricing across the value chain. Connect with Matt on LinkedIn (linkedin.com/in/hillin) or reach him at mhillin@lakeside-acquisitions.com [mhillin@lakeside-acquisitions.com].
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