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Is the software industry broken? Justin Megawarne of Megaslice

38 min · 27. mar. 2026
episode Is the software industry broken? Justin Megawarne of Megaslice cover

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After growing up as a programmer, hating school, and being given a chance to follow his passion via an apprenticeship, Justin Megawarne is the co-founder of Megaslice, a technology consultancy with a difference. Justin progressed to consulting, software architecture and CTO roles. However, he became tired of seeing technically excellent work fail commercially. So, along with co-founder Mikal, he built Megaslice with a mission to let no good idea go to waste. In this episode, Justin argues that the tech industry is structurally set up to fail its clients - through broken billing models, misaligned incentives, and methodologies that function primarily as ways to transfer liability to the client. He makes the case for value pricing as the more ethical model, explains why the right quality in a founder isn't confidence but arrogance, and outlines his approach to shared risk and long-term client relationships. In this episode: * What Nobel Prize-winning economics has to do with your software agency * Why Hiring a Software Agency Is Like Buying a Used Car * The difference between outcomes and outputs — and why it matters * Just what is "the right level of arrogance" in a founder? * The interview question Justin uses instead of a coding test * Why Megaslice says 'work from wherever it makes sense' to its team * Why 'specialisation is for insects' * The single most important thing founders tend to get backwards Links:  More about Megaslice: https://megaslice.uk/ [https://megaslice.uk/] Connect with Justin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmegawarne/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmegawarne/] Chapters: 0:01:06 - Megaslice and Justin's background 0:06:33 - The Lemon Market problem 0:10:41 - Time and materials, Agile, and broken industry incentives 0:13:42 - Interest alignment and giving clients what they need 0:16:33 - Qualifying clients — founder profile, arrogance, and capital 0:21:48 - Why organisations find software so difficult 0:26:14 - Why start a company — and how Megaslice has changed 0:28:27 - Hiring for intrinsic motivation — and the hi-vis jacket story 0:35:01 - The biggest thing founders get wrong 0:38:16 - Who inspires Justin — the crackpots of history -- Thanks for listening. Curious Business is here to bring you insights, experiences and ideas from founders, leaders and experts to help you think differently about your business and its marketing. My name is Stephen Morris and I help start-ups and scale-ups get momentum in their marketing and pipeline. Like to know more? Book a discovery call: https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/discovery/ [https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/discovery/] Or sign-up to 'The Prompt' my monthly newsletter: https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/signup/ [https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/signup/] If you'd like to talk about how podcasts can build reach, enhance authority and fuel your pipeline, visit: www.curiousbusiness.co.uk [https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk].

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episode Thinking On Your Feet: Improv Skills for Business Growth with Neil Mullarkey artwork

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You couldn't make it up. But Neil Mullarkey does. He co-founded the World Famous Comedy Store Players with Mike Myers, appeared in the Austin Powers films, and has spent 40 years making things up in front of live audiences. For the last 27 years, he's been sharing those skills in boardrooms, with teams, and even with cybersecurity experts. In this episode, discover why thinking on your feet isn't a party trick - it's a critical business strategy for leaders managing complex teams and uncertain moments. His book In the Moment makes the case that the ability to listen, adapt, and build on what you're given isn't just good stagecraft. It's the most urgently needed skill in business. What's more, it's one that many teams and organisations struggle with. He argues, with warmth and hard‑won experience, that the same instincts that keep an improvised scene alive - listening, accepting an offer, and building on what’s been given - are the skills businesses desperately need to foster. In this conversation, I learn about Neil's journey into improv and we get into mistakes, blame, trust, failure, permission, laughter, silos, scripts, chaos, a soda syphon, and the surprising thing a room full of cardiologists taught Neil about improvising at the sharp end. Listen to find out: * Why laughter matters and 'mistakes' are rich creative material * Why the optimal team size is six, and what that has to do with improv * What a cybersecurity crisis has in common with a night at the Comedy Store * What cardiologists told Neil that changed his mind about improv in business * Why AI is making this deeply human skill more valuable, not less   Links: Neil's book 'In the Moment': https://uk.bookshop.org/a/15792/9781398610767 [https://uk.bookshop.org/a/15792/9781398610767] More about Neil and ImprovYourBusiness: https://neilmullarkey.com/ [https://neilmullarkey.com/] Connect with Neil on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/neilmullarkey/ [https://www.linkedin.com/in/neilmullarkey/] A rare appearance by Neil with the Comedy Store Players on Sunday May 10th:  https://www.comedystoreplayers.com/events/comedy-store-10052026 [https://www.comedystoreplayers.com/events/comedy-store-10052026]   Chapters: 0:01:44 - More than a jolly: when to use improv and when not to 0:05:28 - How do you make it stick? 0:08:09 - Hackathons and the improv vs. structure tension 0:12:20 - The meetings chapter: tell, decide or implement? 0:13:21 - Permission, leaders and curating questions 0:15:08 - Origin story: from soda siphon to Comedy Store Players 0:19:32 - Confidence, failure and the improv stage 0:22:07 - Do you rehearse improvisation? 0:30:11 - What business pain does improv training address? 0:33:42 - Improv and cybersecurity crisis management 0:36:23 - The show must go on: mistakes, blame and Miles Davis 0:39:21 - Two pizza teams and the optimal team size 0:46:22 - Has anything changed in 27 years? AI and the human element 0:48:55 - Silos, shadowing and equifinality 0:53:05 - Improv or Best Practice? The cardiologists story   -- Thanks for listening. Curious Business is here to bring you insights, experiences and ideas from founders, leaders and experts to help you think differently about your business and its marketing. My name is Stephen Morris and I help start-ups and scale-ups get momentum in their marketing and pipeline. Like to know more? Book a discovery call: https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/discovery/ [https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/discovery/] Or sign-up to 'The Prompt' my monthly newsletter: https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/signup/ [https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk/signup/] If you'd like to talk about how podcasts can build reach, enhance authority and fuel your pipeline, visit: www.curiousbusiness.co.uk [https://www.curiousbusiness.co.uk].

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