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Why High-Achieving Men Quietly Fall Apart (The “Drift” No One Talks About) Most men don’t crash… they drift.

48 min · 12. maj 2026
episode Why High-Achieving Men Quietly Fall Apart (The “Drift” No One Talks About) Most men don’t crash… they drift. cover

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🎙️ Episode 62 – Why High-Achieving Men Quietly Fall Apart (The “Drift” No One Talks About) Most men don’t crash… they drift. In this powerful conversation with Larry Hagner—founder of the Dad Edge movement and author of The Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood—we break down the silent patterns that cause high-performing men to slowly lose their edge, their purpose, and their connection to what matters most. From burnout and emotional disconnection… to pornography, busyness, and quiet dissatisfaction… this episode exposes what’s really going on beneath the surface. If you’re a driven man who feels like something is “off”… this one will hit. In this episode, you’ll learn: ✅ Why most men feel stuck—even when life looks successful ✅ The concept of “The Drift” and how it slowly destroys purpose and connection ✅ How trauma, stress, and unmet needs drive addiction and escape behaviors ✅ Why porn, alcohol, and busyness are often symptoms—not the real problem ✅ The shocking truth about marriage satisfaction (and why most couples struggle) ✅ How to rebuild attraction, connection, and intimacy in your relationship ✅ The BRAVE Man System for restoring structure, purpose, and momentum ✅ Why “balance” is a myth—and what to pursue instead vPractical steps to take control of your life, marriage, and mindset this week 📖 Get Larry’s Book + Bonuses Check out The Pursuit of Legendary Fatherhood and his programs here: 👉 https://thedadedge.com 📘 Get Mark's Free Book 👉 https://escapethecagenow.com/subscribe/ 📞 Book a Clarity Call with Mark or Zack 👉 https://escapethecagenow.com/call/ 📚 Books & Resources 👉 https://escapethecagenow.com/books/ 💬 Comment below: Where do you feel the “drift” showing up most in your life right now? Click here to watch a video of this episode.’ [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZILG1ExBZSA] Click here to view the episode transcript.’ [https://share.transistor.fm/s/3796b1fa/transcript] About the Lion Counseling Podcast The Lion Counseling Podcast helps high-achieving Christian men break free from anxiety, burnout, trauma, and destructive patterns—so they can heal deeply, lead powerfully, and become the men they were created to be. New episodes drop every Tuesday.

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