Secure Talk Podcast

Okta's Identity Chief: Most CISOs Can't Answer This AI Question

Which AI agents can access what? Are those permissions even right? And can you stop a compromised agent mid-action? Okta's Dan Cinnamon says most enterprises can't answer any of the three. Dan Cinnamon has built software, run SAP GRC without an implementation partner, and now architects identity for one of the industry's biggest players. In this conversation with Justin Beals, he lays out why "discoverability" — simply knowing what agents exist and what they're touching — is the single biggest blind spot in enterprise AI right now, and why there's no silver bullet coming to fix it. They also dig into passkeys as a rare win-win security standard, the maturing MCP spec, and where the hard line on agent containment should actually sit. **Timestamps:** 0:00 Intro 1:20 From writing code to securing identity 4:45 Passkeys: the security/usability unicorn 8:30 The SAP GRC re-implementation story 14:10 Attribution and the agentic AI identity gap 18:55 How fast MCP has matured—and what's next 23:40 The 3 unanswered questions every enterprise faces 27:15 Granular identity vs. inherited permissions 32:00 Containment: moving controls closer to the data 36:45 Consent, provenance, and healthcare AI 40:30 Closing thoughts #CISO #AIstrategy, #enterprise #AIsecurity, #agentic #AIgovernance, #Okta #MCPstandard,  #zerotrust #AI agents

Special Episode: CMMC Phase 2 SUSPENDED: What DOD Just Did, What It Really Means, and Why Little Changed

The Pentagon paused CMMC Phase 2 with zero warning — and half the defense industrial base is celebrating for the wrong reason. When the Department of War suspended CMMC Phase 2 rollout with no notice, panic spread fast across the defense contractor community — but the requirement to secure CUI never went away. In this special roundtable, host Justin Beals brings together three CMMC insiders — Logan Therrien (C3PAO Chief Strategy Officer, retired Navy submariner), Lance Arnold (30-year industry veteran, just completed his own CMMC Level 2 journey), and Brian Hubbard (President, Evolved Cyber Solutions, CMMC assessor since 2015) — to separate what actually changed from what didn't. They break down the difference between the assessment requirement (paused) and the security implementation requirement (still very much alive under NIST 800-171), why "self-assessment" doesn't mean "no requirement," and what small businesses and primes should do right now instead of waiting for clarity that may not come for months. Sources Referenced:  DFARS 252.204-7021 (CMMC assessment clause) DFARS 252.204-7012 (NIST 800-171 compliance clause) DFARS 252.204-7019 (SPRS scoring requirement) 32 CFR Part 170 (CMMC Program Rule) 32 CFR Part 48 NIST SP 800-171 / NIST SP 800-172

An AI Security Maturity Model for CISOs, with Chris Cochran (SANS)

Half the room at Chris Cochran's leadership dinners still calls themselves AI skeptics. He argues they can't afford to be — because the adversary already isn't. Chapters:  00:00 — Intro 02:49 — NSA/threat intel → AI security, storytelling 09:55 — Why leaders feel stuck / no roadmap 14:41 — Three pillars (Protect/Utilize/Govern) 17:00 — Governance as the real foundation / shadow AI 21:37 — Evidence-based scoring vs. pass/fail 26:27 — EU AI Act 28:44 — Fable/Mythos, Project Glasswing access controls 33:18 — Token subsidies, self-hosted models 37:52 — Data poisoning & context poisoning 40:12 — Iron Man suit framing 42:38 — Close: what's next

Considering Security, Compliance and Revenue with David Grazer

Most companies chase certifications to win deals — but what actually keeps customers is something no audit can measure. In this episode, vCISO David Grazer makes the case that trust is a measurable economic asset hiding in plain sight: your customer retention rate. Drawing on 15+ years inside high-growth tech companies, David explains why compliance frameworks are customer acquisition tools, not retention strategies — and how the gap between the two is costing businesses more than they realize. This episode is for founders, security leaders, and C-suite executives who want to connect their security and privacy programs to real business outcomes. You'll learn: → Why a SOC 2 or ISO 27001 certification is only the beginning of earning customer trust → How customer churn functions as one of the most honest security metrics available → Why MFA and common security controls often fail the users who need them most → What "Trust by Design" looks like in product development and AI programs → How to translate security risk into language that resonates with your CFO Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Secure Talk and Trust 03:42 David Grazer's Journey into Security and Privacy 08:09 Navigating Compliance and Customer Trust 12:49 The Role of Consulting in Security 18:07 Trust as a Measurable Economic Asset 23:42 Identity Management in the Entertainment Industry 26:09 The VC SO Model and Its Impact 29:13 The Evolution of Compliance Conversations 33:17 Exploring the Intersection of Technology and Society 🔔 Subscribe to SecureTalk for weekly conversations at the intersection of cybersecurity, compliance, and business strategy. #cybersecurity #compliance #CISO #trustbydesign #vciso #informationsecurity #GRC #dataprivacy

Why you could fail your CMMC Level 2 C3PAO audit | Secure Talk with Logan Therrien

You did your self assessment and received a perfect 110 score, congratulations! You met with your C3PAO and scored less than 0. What happened! How can two CMMC assessors examine the same defense contractor and arrive at completely different scores? A lack of rigor in assessment methodology could mean the entire certification system is measuring the assessor — not your security. Logan Therrien, Chief Strategy Officer at Kieri Solutions and one of the original C3PAO lead assessors in the U.S., joins Justin Beals to expose a critical flaw in how CMMC Level 2 assessments are conducted today: no standardized evidence sampling methodology. This episode is for DoD contractors, compliance consultants, and defense industry executives who want to understand what's at stake — and how to navigate assessments before the rules tighten further. What you'll learn: * Why NIST 800-171 was intentionally vague — and how that backfired for assessors * How one assessor might review a single evidence point while another reviews 100% * What ISO 17020 accreditation will require of C3PAOs and why it matters now * What the 48 CFR expansion means for 118,000+ contractors in the supply chain * How to prepare for an assessment so it feels like an open-book test Logan also co-authored the peer-reviewed paper "The Need for Standardized Evidence Sampling in CMMC Assessments: A Survey-Based Analysis of Assessor Practices" (with John Hastings) — one of the first data-driven studies of assessment methodology in the CMMC ecosystem. Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Secure Talk and Psychometrics 01:45 Understanding CMMC and Its Implications 05:32 Logan Therian's Background and Insights 09:16 The Challenges of Assessment Methodologies 16:10 The Scale and Impact of CMMC Assessments 20:31 Navigating Standards in Cybersecurity 23:53 Evidence Testing in CMMC Assessments 27:43 The Importance of Reliable and Accurate Assessments 36:22 Building Trust Between Industry and Defense 41:46 Future Directions in CMMC Research Resources: Therrien, Logan and Hastings, John. (2026, February 10). The need for standardized evidence sampling in CMMC assessments: A survey-based analysis of assessor practices. arXiv. https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.09905 [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqblZMOGVCeWg0cXZidEw4eS1pdC1BZ1ZQNnFCZ3xBQ3Jtc0tuOGtpa09qNzhhOXVhWHdVcmMwNHFkQ0hsbVdmUGhoU0p0OHd6UXJ5UUszMDdCdWZ4bFJWVjFBcGdya3E3VjV5eFVnMG9yZFZIRnY5NGhhMk9Vek1sWHRoTGRVUkxLbk1FcnRlR3hFaTQyenBVMWk1dw&q=https%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fabs%2F2602.09905&v=RqPHxN86kWY]