Tapped In Sales and Strategy for Beer Distributors

106: The Beer Consumer Isn’t Dead, They’re Just Out to Dinner

55 min · 28. apr. 2026
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Bud, Mike, and Ross are joined by Lester Jones, Chief Economist and Vice President of Data Analytics at the National Beer Wholesalers Association, for a wide-ranging conversation on the state of the beer industry, the consumer, and where opportunity still exists for distributors. The episode opens with the breaking news around medical marijuana moving to Schedule III and the ongoing confusion around hemp, THC, and beverage alcohol policy. From there, Lester digs into the bigger story: the beer consumer is not gone — they are just behaving differently. Consumers are still spending. They are still going out. They are still drinking. But more of that spending is happening away from home, which changes how beer volume shows up in the data. In this episode, we cover: 🍺 Why consumer sentiment and behavior do not always match 📊 How away-from-home spending is changing the beer volume story 🏪 Why the on-premise still matters for brand building📈 What the Beer Purchasers Index says about distributor confidence 👥 Why more beer drinkers can still mean lower per-capita consumption 🎯 Why distributors need to rethink accounts, channels, occasions, and retailer value 💡 What FinTech data is showing about on-premise and off-premise brand performance Key takeaway: The consumer did not quit beer. The occasion changed. If distributors only look at grocery store velocity or off-premise volume, they may miss where the consumer is actually spending. The opportunity is still there, but the old playbook may not be enough. As Lester puts it, the goal is not fewer people drinking more. It is more people drinking less. Listen now: If you like what we’re doing, please like, subscribe, and share the episode with a friend in the industry. Have a question for the show? Email us at info@vxptech.com. Chapters: 00:00 The Impact of Marijuana Reclassification 07:21 Exploring the Economy and Consumer Behavior 18:10 Understanding the Beer Purchaser's Index (BPI) 21:30 Industry Equilibrium and Consumer Spending 24:47 Gas Prices and Consumer Behavior 28:15 Shifts in Beer Consumption Patterns 29:37 The Growing Number of Beer Drinkers 31:19 On-Premise vs Off-Premise Dynamics 37:55 The Future of Beer Distribution 43:37 Leveraging Data for Market Insights 54:17 How We Roll =============== YouTube: Watch on YouTube: Tapped In Sales [http://www.youtube.com/@TappedInBeveragePodcast] Spotify Podcast: Listen & Watch on Spotify Podcasts Tapped In Sales [https://open.spotify.com/show/1AuQiKjRrHy0JmwwvTAzAJ?si=7189540cc7e344c9] Apple Podcasts: Listen on Apple Podcast Tapped In Sales [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/26-how-to-make-your-pfp-a-guaranteed-monthly-bonus/id1744836870?i=1000673130206] =============== Connect with Us:   Follow us on LinkedIn for the latest episodes, industry news, and insights from the beer distribution world. About Tapped In Sales:   Tapped In Sales is a podcast dedicated to beer distributors and beverage industry professionals who are looking to elevate their sales strategies and drive profitability. Hosted by industry experts Bud Dunn and Mike Hall, we dive deep into real-world stories, actionable insights, and the latest trends to help sales teams and managers unlock their full potential. Each episode blends data, strategy, and motivation, making complex topics easy to understand and implement. This podcast is powered by VXP Tech – the leading Sales Strategy Management system designed for beer distributors. VXP simplifies the complexities of goal setting, variable compensation, and sales team performance, helping you master your market and grow profits, case by case. Stay tuned for expert advice, fresh perspectives, and tools to sharpen your sales approach! If you enjoyed the episode, don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend!

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118: Equal Opportunity, Not Equal Outcome

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117: The Drive to Socialize: Why Beer Demand Is Stronger Than You Think (ft. Andrew Heritage, Beer Institute)

Everybody wants one reason the beer industry is soft. Gen Z quit drinking. Spirits stole the share. Pick your headline. The Beer Institute's Chief Economist Andrew Heritage came on to blow most of those up with actual data. The short version: demand is a lot stronger than the doom takes make it sound. The consumer is just stressed, and beer is still the drink people protect when they go out. In this episode, we break down: 🍺 Who actually makes the beer (2-3% of breweries move 96% of the volume) 📊 The Gen Z myth and why they spend the same on alcohol as every generation before them ⛽ How gas prices and a stressed consumer, not category abandonment, are driving the soft weeks 🌡️ The weather math on beer sales ⚽ The World Cup effect on concession and on-premise sales 🥂 The drive to socialize and why on-premise keeps outperforming off-premise Key takeaways: * There is no single reason for the softness. It is a stressed consumer, not people walking away from beer. * Gen Z is not quitting. They are broke, and they still pick beer over the emerging categories. * On-premise is holding because people protect the occasion, not just the beer. * Weather and gas prices explain most of the week-to-week swings. * Build the occasion and they will come. You have more control locally than you give yourself credit for. Andrew Heritage is Chief Economist at the Beer Institute, covering roughly 90% of industry volume. If you want someone who can separate the myths from the math, this is the one. Want the deck? Email info@vxptech.com and we will share it. Listen, learn, and enjoy what you do. Share with a friend if you love it. 🎧 Also on YouTube | 🔗 LinkedIn: Tapped In Sales / VXP

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episode 115: That's Not Vibes, That's Hope and a Prayer artwork

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That's Not Vibes, That's Hope and a Prayer | ft. Sean Baker, Rarig Pacific A distributor told Sean Baker he was making decisions "based on vibes." Sean's answer stuck with us: that's not vibes, that's hope and a prayer. Too many distributors are running operations on assumptions instead of truth, and it's costing them on the shelf and on the bottom line. This week we get out of the sales seat and into the warehouse. In this episode, we break down: 🍺 Why "running on vibes" is really hope and a prayer  📦 What overs & shorts are actually costing you  🔍 Operational truth: you can't manage what you can't measure  🤖 Why the goal is augmenting your people, not replacing them  🚚 Old habits worth breaking, from U-boats to the duo lift  💰 The right way to structure warehouse and delivery comp  🤝 Why the whole industry wins when partners stop building walls Who is Sean Sean Baker has touched nearly every corner of this business. He started downstacking cases off a side loader in 2003, moved into warehouse ops, ran a route selling to Kroger and the corner liquor store on the same day, became a sales trainer, worked the supplier side at AB and Heineken, and now leads technology commercialization at Rarig Pacific. He's not a vendor reading from a script. He's an operator who connects how a decision in the warehouse ripples all the way to the six-pack on the shelf. Connect Learn more about Rehrig Pacific Company at rehrigpacific.com Questions for the show? Email info@vxptech.com and we'll pass them along to Sean. Listen, learn, and enjoy what you do. Share with a friend if you love it. =============== YouTube: Watch on YouTube: Tapped In Sales [http://www.youtube.com/@TappedInBeveragePodcast] Spotify Podcast: Listen & Watch on Spotify Podcasts Tapped In Sales [https://open.spotify.com/show/1AuQiKjRrHy0JmwwvTAzAJ?si=7189540cc7e344c9] Apple Podcasts: Listen on Apple Podcast Tapped In Sales [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/26-how-to-make-your-pfp-a-guaranteed-monthly-bonus/id1744836870?i=1000673130206] =============== Connect with Us:   Follow us on LinkedIn for the latest episodes, industry news, and insights from the beer distribution world. About Tapped In Sales:   Tapped In Sales is a podcast dedicated to beer distributors and beverage industry professionals who are looking to elevate their sales strategies and drive profitability. Hosted by industry experts Bud Dunn and Mike Hall, we dive deep into real-world stories, actionable insights, and the latest trends to help sales teams and managers unlock their full potential. Each episode blends data, strategy, and motivation, making complex topics easy to understand and implement. This podcast is powered by VXP Tech – the leading Sales Strategy Management system designed for beer distributors. VXP simplifies the complexities of goal setting, variable compensation, and sales team performance, helping you master your market and grow profits, case by case. Stay tuned for expert advice, fresh perspectives, and tools to sharpen your sales approach! If you enjoyed the episode, don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend!

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114: Out of Balance Equals Opportunity

RNDC got cracked open like an egg. Now the real question isn't what happened — it's what suppliers do next. Bud, Ross, and Alicia get into the post-RNDC scramble, why limiting your distributor choices may have become a bridge too far, and where the chaos is quietly handing opportunity to the people paying attention. Plus the value war, the flat-drink boom, and the Delta-9 clock running out. In this episode, we break down… 🥚 What suppliers actually do now that RNDC is sold off piece by piece — single point of contact, multi-point headaches, and nobody wanting to hire a wall of middle managers ⚖️ Why "out of balance equals opportunity" — and how the pendulum may swing back toward boutique, brand-building distributors like it's the 1940s 🛢️ Oil down 26% in a month, inflation cooling, and why we think July and August could be a quiet summer sweet spot for volume 🍎 The value war is back: 1 in 4 Busch Light Apple shoppers are first-time beer buyers, 70%+ incremental to the category additive, not cannibalization 🌊 Who's drinking all this? Superlight and Spikeade U-boats rolling out the door — flat, low-alcohol, hyper-premium GP, and a category that came out of nowhere 📊 Lester Jones' gender employment data and why the answer is NOT making the packaging pink 🌿 The Delta-9 endgame: hope is not a strategy, distributors running inventory to zero, and who picks up hemp come January 2027 Key takeaways: * Consolidation helped suppliers — one contact, aligned spend and pricing — but RNDC's breakup may be the bridge too far. Out of balance equals opportunity. * The Sazerac/Crew & Point deal is a logistics-partner play, not a brand-building one. Smart first-mover move today, but it gets followed, and then profitability becomes the battleground. * Don't get lost in the big book. Small craft and wine producers will hunt for brand builders and specialty houses, not a slot they disappear into. * The value war is genuinely additive — Busch Light Apple is pulling new drinkers into beer, not stealing from it. Reps stack it high and watch it fly. * Hope is not a strategy on Delta-9. The noticeable shift this month: distributors stopped waiting for a rescue and started planning to run inventory to zero. This is a news-and-takes roundtable — Bud, Ross, and Alicia working through what's actually moving in the market right now. The spine is the RNDC fallout: a 40-state wholesaler down to a handful of locations, and a supplier world about to learn how to manage 15-20 relationships where they used to have one or two. When the market goes out of balance, the people watching closely find the opening. Listen, learn, and enjoy what you do. Catch the full episode on YouTube, Apple Podcasts, and Spotify. Got a take on how this shakes out in your market? Email us at info@vxptech.com. Share with a friend if you love it.

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