Supporting Passions: A Father-Daughter Story of Trust, Creativity, and Growth

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Building Lasting Bonds: Lessons from "Dad and Daughter Connection" with Drew and Eva Bennett On the latest episode of the "Dad and Daughter Connection" podcast, Dr. Christopher Lewis brings listeners an inspiring and heartfelt conversation with Drew Bennett and his daughter Eva. This episode dives deep into the journey of father-daughter relationships, the importance of celebrating individuality, and how simple acts of connection can shape a daughter's confidence and independence. One of the standout themes is the power of acceptance and encouragement. From a young age, Eva shares how Drew Bennett always made her feel seen, heard, and valued – whether through supporting her interests in comics and pop culture, or giving her the freedom to express herself creatively. Eva Bennett highlights moments where her dad invested wholeheartedly in her passions, from discussing favorite characters to spending weekends at comic conventions. These shared experiences became more than hobbies; they were opportunities to bond, laugh, and build trust. Cosplay, in particular, played a unique role in strengthening their connection. Eva Bennett describes their adventures crafting costumes for conventions, often designing duo costumes (like Lord of the Rings' Eowyn and Theoden or Spider-Verse's Peter B. and Mayday Parker). Drew Bennett shows up not just as her dad, but as a supportive partner in creativity – accompanying her to events, holding props, and celebrating her success. But this episode isn't just about shared interests – it's also about giving children the independence to grow. Drew Bennett reflects on the balance of guidance and freedom, stressing the value of supporting his daughter's choices and letting her explore her own path. Eva Bennett expresses gratitude for this sense of trust, which helped her feel safe sharing challenges and seeking advice. As Eva prepares to leave for college, both reflect on how their relationship will evolve. They promise to keep in touch through quick texts, TikToks, and special traditions like convention weekends, showing that even as life changes, strong roots make lasting bonds. In their closing advice, Dr. Christopher Lewis, Drew Bennett, and Eva Bennett urge other parents to "meet your kids where they're at." Even if you don't fully understand their passions, dive in, listen, and show that you care. If you're a dad (or a parent) hoping to nurture a close, meaningful relationship with your daughter (or child), this episode is packed with authentic stories, practical wisdom, and the reassurance that showing up – whatever form it takes – truly matters. Listen to this powerful episode of "Dad and Daughter Connection" and discover how small moments can forge lifelong connections. Subscribe today and join the journey toward building stronger family bonds! TRANSCRIPT Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:02]: Welcome to the dad and Daughter Connection, the podcast for dads who want to build stronger bonds and raise confident, independent daughters. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:12]: If you're looking to build a stronger bond with your daughter and help her grow into a confident, independent woman, you're in the right place. I'm Dr. Christopher Lewis, and the dad and Daughter Connection is the podcast where we dive into real stories, expert advice, and practical tips to help you navigate the incredible journey of fatherhood. In every episode, we'll bring you conversations that inspire, challenge, and equip you to show up as the dad your daughter needs. So let's get started, because being a great dad isn't just about being there. It's about truly connecting. Welcome back to the dad and Daughter Connection, where every week we have a great opportunity to be able to connect and work with each other, to be able to work, go on a journey together. Because all of us as fathers are on a journey as we're trying to build that relationship with our daughters. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:06]: And that's why this show exists every week. I love being able to have you here to listen, to, learn, to be able to show up. Because by showing up, not only are you doing this for yourself, but you're doing it for the relationship between you and your daughter. And that's why every week, I love being able to bring you different guests, different people with different experiences, and I always love it when I have the opportunity to be able to have a father and a daughter on the show, because I know it. It doesn't always happen, but today I do. And today I'm introducing to you Drew Bennett and his daughter Eva. And I've known Eva since she was very young, virtually. I've known Drew for many years as well, and Drew's been a guest on other podcasts that I've had, but we've never had Drew and Eva on. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:49]: And I'm really excited to be able to have them both on to talk about the journey that they've been on, and I'm looking forward to introducing them to you. Drew, Eva, thanks so much for being here today. Drew Bennett [00:01:58]: Oh, thanks for having us. Eva Bennett [00:01:59]: Thank you for having me. Drew Bennett [00:02:00]: It's my pleasure. I love being able to have dads and daughters on, and I guess I'm going to be asking both of you some questions because I want to get a better sense of your relationship. And I'm going to start with you, Eva. What's one thing that your dad did that made you truly feel seen, heard, and valued as a daughter? Eva Bennett [00:02:20]: I think that's something that, honestly, my dad has always been really, really good at is, like, making sure that I feel seen and heard, and especially in terms of, like, what I'm interested in at the time, because I definitely got a nerdy streak from my dad. So when I was growing up, he had all of these things like Transformers and Marvel and stuff that he was really into, and he would share with me on, like, a child appropriate level. And then when I got older and started to have my own interests and stuff, he was always really good about making sure that I had space to talk about that and to talk about what I care about and feel like I was able to share that stuff. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:58]: I guess I want to flip that a little bit, because, you know, you just heard Eva talk about that you supported her passion in the things that were most important to her. How did you support Eva in pursuing her passions and her dreams? Drew Bennett [00:03:12]: Well, like, Eva was talking about some of the shows and things that she likes, and really, it was just like, giving her the space to explore certain things that, you know, I did certainly try to influence some of the loves of different nerdy genres, specifically Transformers. I am a huge fan of that and have a huge collection. You know, one of the things, it's like, I really want to share my collection of toys with the kids and. And they really didn't care too much about the toys. But early on, we watched some of the shows together, and Eva found characters that spoke to her, and we would talk about the characters and what those characters like, and any chance I got to expose Eva to different characters that would. Would speak that I thought would speak to her, I would. So I found Avatar the Last Airbender. And I was like, all right, with both kids, we're gonna. Drew Bennett [00:04:08]: We're gonna sit down and watch this, because this is a fantastic show. And we watched one episode, and they're like, eh, it was good. And then I don't know when it was, like, months later, Eva finds it on Netflix and watches all the seasons. I was like, what? I like, there was things like, I want to spend this time. I want to have these things that we can talk about. So there are a lot of different. I think a lot of it started with pop culture stuff that we could connect with. And so every year, I would bring Eva to Free Comic Book Day, which I collect comics. Drew Bennett [00:04:39]: We love comics. And when Eva was real little, I'd be at Free Comic Book Day with a little Power Ranger Princess with me. And then Eve would start to find her own way of expressing in costumes, which is something that has grown into something that's even more of a passion for Eva is. Is costuming, which I'm sure we'll talk about later, especially with college and stuff. But those things kind of came about from the influences of different genres of entertainment that we connected with together. I always wanted to, like, when a new show would come out. Way back when, when I was doing stuff with. With Netflix, they had shows like she Ra Came out and Kipo and Voltron. Drew Bennett [00:05:27]: And so we would watch these things together, and there would always be different characters that we could discuss a connection with that, you know, maybe Eva had a connection to a specific character, and I had different connections to different characters, but we could always find those sort of things to talk about together. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:05:45]: Now, speaking of costuming, I know that one of the things that you've bonded on over the years is cosplay, and some of that came down to the costumes that Eva, that you created and that you got your dad involved with as well. Why don't you both talk a little bit about that and those connections that you built through that? Eva Bennett [00:06:03]: Yeah, so I've always kind of been interested in dressing up as a kid. I remember we used to have. This was like a knight's cape, so the back had fabric that looked like chainmail, and it was all silver at the top. And there's a photo of me when I was little in, like, a purple T shirt and leggings and that cape and, like, Thor's helmet with my foam sword that I had as a kid, and I still have it. So I've always been interested in dressing up and mashing together whatever pieces I could find in the costume bin with kind of no rhyme or reason to it. And as I've gotten older, I've gotten into some sewing and a lot of fiber arts and a good way for me to put that to use and kind of have, like, a clear goal in mind when I make stuff is to make costumes. So I've gone into making a lot of costumes, and dad took us to a convention, I think, in, like, 2019. And I wasn't sewing at the time, but I put together costumes for all of the days that we were there. Eva Bennett [00:07:03]: And then Covid happened. And then a couple years after, I think in maybe 2022, we ended up going back to that same convention. And by then, I had picked up with making and putting together costumes again. And then I think two years ago now, I talked dad into doing a, like, a duo costume with me. And it was a father daughter costume, actually. He went as Peter B. Parker from the Spider Verse movies and I did like a teenage Mayday design. So we did that together and that was really fun. Eva Bennett [00:07:36]: And I'm still in the planning phase of this right now, but I'm working on another father daughter costume for us right now, which is Eowyn and King Theoden from the Lord of the Rings. So not exactly father daughter, but close enough. And my dad was awesome enough to let me do that, and he's going to let me put him in a big crazy costume that I make. Drew Bennett [00:07:56]: It's funny because, like, the costumes that I've had, I go as Bobby Singer from Supernatural, which all I have to do is slap a hat on my head and I've got the grumpy old man look and the beard and I've got this, you know, dirty ball cap that I can be Bobby Singer. And I've done that the past two years with Comic Con. We go to it's Granite State Comic Con in New Hampshire. And that's become the thing that Eva and I do together. We went as a whole family. I think it was 2018, where the kids kind of participated in the kids costuming side. And then Eva and I went a few times where Eva was in costume and I was the support system of holding all her stuff. Eva Bennett [00:08:39]: And you're really the best for doing that. Drew Bennett [00:08:42]: So I do that. But then, oh, you know what? I could do this character. And that was kind of been a bit of a hit because people love Supernatural and I do look like Bobby Singer when I put the costume on. But when we went as Peter B. Parker and Mayday Parker, that was a lot of fun because again, you know, all I had to do is put on schlubby clothes. I did a mixture of the two movies into and across the spider verse. And so where the first one he had the sweatpants and the two different shoes, and then the next one he had the pink robe. So I kind of mixed those two together walking around as Peter B. Drew Bennett [00:09:18]: Park with like a. With a Spider man shirt. Eva had a really cool costume that went along with it. And so, yeah, so when Eva's done working on these ones from Lord of the Rings, which is another genre that when Eva gets into something, she gets fully into it. How many times you've watched the special editions of Lord of the Rings? More than I have ever had. Three times at this point. Eva Bennett [00:09:41]: And the Hobbit since the beginning of the year, which is when I watched it for the first time. The beginning of the year, we're only on round two. Drew Bennett[00:09:48]: We're in April, like, I've had these movies. I've been waiting to watch them on a big screen, and then we got the big screen, and I never watched them, and then I'm like, oh, wait for the kids to watch them. Then I was at Eva's suggestion to watch Lord of the Rings, so we watched Lord of the Rings and since has watched Lord of the Rings and then gotten so far into it, so. And it's awesome to watch the progress that Eva's made, not only within cosplay community and in conventions, but then she's also turned that love of costuming into a position at school. So been the costume lead for the school's theater program for the past two years, and. And that's going to be a focus towards college. So it's really interesting how the progress has been made. And I am always just in awe that Eva will come downstairs and say, hey, mom, can I borrow crochet needle? And, like, two hours later, she'll come down with, like, this whole thing that you made, like, oh, yeah, I taught myself on YouTube, and, like, now I can crochet. Drew Bennett [00:10:50]: And. And then not just. Just get into it more and more and more to perfect those skills. There's so many, like, skills that Eva has just developed on her own that it's just, like, fascinating to me how. How amazing she can do them. I'm like, I. I can't do any Eva Bennett [00:11:08]: of that at all. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:11:11]: So. You know, Drew, one of the things that I'm hearing from you is, I mean, you really have tried to guide Eva over her lifetime in many different ways. She may have taken your advice and may not have. We know that as fathers. But I. One of the things that comes to mind that I wanted to ask you was, as Eva has grown up, how did you balance guiding Eva while also giving her the ability and the independence to become the person that she is becoming? Drew Bennett [00:11:41]: I think never really had to say, you have to do things this way, or, like, it's always just been the freedom to explore what Eve's wanted to do. I feel that we kind of give the leeway of just like, hey, you want to try this? Try this. You want. The only times I've ever, ever pushed on anything was, you got to watch this. Check this out. But I know that if you push Eva, she digs in her heels and, like, no, not going to do it. But then occasionally she'll go find something like that on her own, and it's like, oh, I discovered that I've been trying to get you to show, like, Like, I've been wanting to watch this or do this. Okay. Drew Bennett [00:12:17]: I know it's like, it's going to be in her own time, and if it's something that speaks to her, it's going to be full in 100%. So it's really just been discovering what those things are. And then I always try to. If there's something that Eve is into, I'd like to, like, read it or watch it. Some things. There are some things that I just. I never really got into that didn't speak to me, but it spoke to you. And I understand how that was, how much you enjoyed that. Drew Bennett [00:12:43]: There was a lot of, like, Minecraft smp. Eva Bennett [00:12:46]: Yes. All the Minecraft stuff that I've enjoyed. Drew Bennett [00:12:49]: Yeah. So, like, what. These kind of came about during the pandemic where people made these videos. It was just something that Eva liked, and it kind of influenced the different cosplays that she created early on. And Eva would try to explain the storylines and, like, oh, that's. That's really, really, really cool. It's not something that I would be into, but I can appreciate it. And I would try to say, oh, check out this. Drew Bennett [00:13:17]: Or it would always just kind of give her the freedom to just explore certain things that were of interest and then try to find what was mutually of of interest to the two of us. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:13:28]: And, Eva, how has the relationship with your dad influenced the way you navigate life, relationships, or challenges today? Eva Bennett [00:13:39]: I think dad has talked about giving me a lot of freedom to explore what I'm interested in, look at what I'm interested in, and I think that's been really important in how in my life, like, I've never felt like I was gonna get laughed at, or I never thought that my parents were gonna think it was weird that I was into this thing or, like, so having that kind of relationship definitely made it easier for when I was having a problem or if I wasn't happy about something, I felt like I could go talk to my parents. Like, I didn't feel like I had to hide anything, really, because they've always given me the space to do what I want to do and have the mutual understanding of, we are giving you this freedom because we trust you, and that's helped build trust in return. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:14:21]: It definitely makes sense. And, Drew, what's one way that you consistently are showing Eva that she can always count on you? Drew Bennett [00:14:30]: I try to be at anything that I can be to support. So if there are shows, if there's something I know Eva likes, try to get tickets to it or go to different things, but just, I mean, I'm always around. One of the things is I have a weird work schedule. So I think after the first. First year that Eva was born, I was still traveling and I hated it because I never was around. So I switched my whole way of working to work overnights on weekends so that I would be home all week. So we don't do a lot of weekend stuff, but during the week, I'm always there. We try to have, you know, as a whole family, we try to sit down and have dinner every night, and we all talk about, you know, what went on during the day. Drew Bennett [00:15:14]: Might be the same repetitive questions, but we do, you know, get into talking and we know what. What everyone's into and what they're doing and how the school days went. And I always found that that was important to be there and home in that way for those meals and, yeah, I think just being around, I guess. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:15:32]: Eva, can you share a favorite memory with me that you and your dad shared that made you feel really connected with him? Eva Bennett [00:15:40]: I mean, going back to what we've been talking about before, but, like, the conventions that we do, it's like a two hour drive to get there. So I. We get up early, and I'm up at 8 already getting bags packed, getting hair done, makeup done. I'm doing all this stuff. And then we get in the car and I'm like, so hyped up. And then we're in the car for two hours. And you would think that it would get awkward, but it's really nice because then dad and I get to chat and he gets to tell me about the book series that he was reading. What was the. Drew Bennett [00:16:09]: Yeah, it was a Silvers. Yeah. Book series by a guy named Shane Silvers who wrote about this character named Nate Temple. And it was. This whole guy wrote like 34 books starting in like 2015 or something like that. Eva Bennett [00:16:22]: So it's like a crazy expansive universe. There's a ton of books, and you've read them in like, every order that you can because there's like multiple series and they overlap in different places. And I've tried so hard to follow them. I'm so sorry to tell you this, but I don't know what happened in that book series. There was so much happening. Drew Bennett [00:16:40]: Well, it's funny because it's the same thing when you try to tell me about the SMPs, and I'm like, okay, so this one is this, and there's that, and, oh, okay. But I can recognize Eva's passion for and love for this thing, whereas she can recognize it in me for what I love and why I love it, but is not gonna remember all the details about it and that I don't think it really matters what the details of those are. It's how she feels, talking about it and how it makes her feel and how it's influenced the friendship she's made. And we go to a convention, and she is cosplaying this character, Technoblade. The first time we went to the convention, first time we did it was not at Granite State. It was at WickedCon. But we're walking around and there's these people. They're like, hey, Technoblade and Eva less lit up. Drew Bennett [00:17:29]: And I still didn't quite understand the whole Technoblade thing and how important it was, but I know how it made Eva feel, and I saw how it made Eva feel, and that was what was the most important. Eva Bennett [00:17:40]: But I really love our drives to conventions because they're two hours, so we both get a lot of time to talk, and we also get a lot of time to, like, just sit in the quiet if we want to, especially on the way home. We kind of. By the end of the weekend, we're kind of done. We don't really want to be around people anymore, so we, you know, sit and we don't talk to each other for two hours. And that's great that we're able to do that and not, like, feel awkward. And we're not, like, you know, fighting by the end of the weekend. Because as much fun as conventions are, they can also be really stressful because you're in a place with a lot of people and you're dressed up and you're probably not super comfortable in what you're wearing, but you're wearing it because you love it. And. Eva Bennett [00:18:16]: And, like, you're hot and gross, and there's people everywhere, and you're kind of done. But, like, we have such a good relationship that we can get to the end of those two days and be on the drive home. And the drive home feels like this massive, huge, like, endeavor. And we're sitting in the car and we're together, and we're not talking to each other, but we're sitting there and we're. It's. It's nice to be able to sit in the quiet with somebody and not feel like you have to fill the space. Like, you can if you want to, but you don't have to, and that's going to be okay, too. So all of that to say, I think one of my favorite memories is just doing that convention with you, like, drive up, drive back included. Eva Bennett [00:18:56]: Even if the drive back doesn't seem as fun in the moment. Drew Bennett [00:19:00]: Well, it's funny. I've noticed that at the end of a school day, if you had a particularly tough school day, I pick Eva up from school most of the time that I might ask a question or two at the beginning of the drive, but then the rest of it is in quiet because I know you need time to just process the day and relax without so many questions. And I'm very much the same way. It's like I'm home by myself all day, and then I don't hear a lot of things. I don't talk a lot throughout the day. And sometimes I do want to talk a little bit, but sometimes I'm just like, all right, there's too much activity coming at me. And I know that you kind of do the same thing or feel the same way sometimes with that. And I try to be like, okay, we could just be comfortable in the quiet. Drew Bennett [00:19:44]: And we know it's not that anybody's feeling any feelings of, like, resentment or anything. It's just that we know we need some quiet time. That's all. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:19:52]: You know, I can tell this bond that you have is a very strong one. We touched on it just a second ago. But, Eva, you've got some big changes coming, right? You're heading to college, going to be taking that passion for costuming on to your dream school. And I guess I want to talk about that a little bit, because your relationship's going to change a bit, and you're not going to have that person to talk to all the time. Right? Neither of you will. So talk to me about either the conversations you've already had or how that makes you feel in regards to this change that's coming. Eva Bennett [00:20:25]: I mean, it's definitely going to be a big change, but I'm not going to be too far from home. So I can. If I'm really missing being at home and missing being near mom and dad, I can come home. I'm not allowed home within the first two months, but according to Mom. Drew Bennett [00:20:40]: Okay, I was going to say I didn't. I didn't say that. Eva Bennett [00:20:42]: According to Mom, I'm not allowed back in the first few months, but after that, if I. If I feel like I need to come home and I need to be with you guys, I can do that, and that's okay. And I am also. I know that if I need you guys When I'm not able to be back home, I can call you guys for whatever, and I might need a little bit of a push reminder to give you guys updates on what I'm doing. And that's just because I really am terrible at talking to other people and keeping them updated on stuff. So that might be a little bit of a struggle. Just because I have a bad memory when it comes to, like, you know, sharing my projects and giving update pictures. Because I just go and I do stuff and I don't. Eva Bennett [00:21:22]: I'm normally not sharing it with anybody, so I kind of. I forget that there are other people who, like, want to see that. So I think that's going to be a little bit difficult. But I know that, like, if I need something or if I just want to talk to you guys, I can call, I can text. I think it'll be fine. I will miss you guys, though. I'll miss being, like, in the same house. Drew Bennett [00:21:40]: Yeah, it's definitely something that is not going to hit me until it hits me and thinking about it. We've already made our plans for September to go to the convention again, so we have that to look forward to. I'll come up to school, pick Eva up for the weekend, and we'll go to the. To the convention. We've got that. But, like, other ways, too, that we kind of communicate in our own little ways is that we'll, like, send each other different tiktoks of things that we love. So, like, there's a guy who does, like, what is it, the mandolin or the liar who will takes, like, 80s songs or other songs and does, like, medieval covers. Yeah, medieval covers of, like, 80s hair bands and stuff like that. Drew Bennett [00:22:22]: Because since you drive to school with me, you're going to get the 80s hair band playlist and also metal and stuff like that. It was just funny because when Eva and I were in Krav Maga, when we were taking that, our sensei would always play these different songs that are always on our playlist. He'd quiz the teens and be like, who. Who sings this? So. And Eva would always know it because it was in the car, because this is the stuff that I listened to, which is fun. But then we find something like that we know that particularly speaks to our interests. We'll send a quick little TikTok that we might have found back and forth and that, you know, to me it's just another way of saying, like, I see you and I see what you love. And this made me think of you. Drew Bennett [00:23:03]: That's How I send those things along in, you know, just like, another way. So if we don't talk all the time, okay. I want to see everything that's going on. But I know Evie's got to have this room to grow and make these new connections and these new friendships. But I know that there's always, like, space for her mom and dad. But we're not going to be overbearing in that way. We're going to miss her, certainly. But to wanting to be at every point of thing, we want to be there for the big stuff, and I mean, also for the little stuff, to be supportive, but we don't have to be there every minute holding hands kind of thing. Drew Bennett [00:23:38]: So I think what I've seen Eva in the past few years, specifically growing up and becoming more independent with stuff, has been amazing. So Eva started her first job last year where she does a teaching assistant for a summer science school. And seeing Eva meet a whole group of kids that became great friends, I was like, I'm not worried about Eva making friends in college because I think no matter where Eva goes, gonna find her people. And I think that's great. It's very. They find deep friendships, so that's a good thing I see happening. And so, yes, I'm going to miss Eva big time, and I don't want to know what's going on. And I think on our end, we have to maybe prompt. Drew Bennett [00:24:23]: Hey, what are you working on this week? Or, you know, things like that, but not too much, you know, I mean, I don't want to be like, constantly, hey, give me an update, give me an update. But once in a while, what's going on? Or once in a while, I was thinking of this. Are you into this? Have you heard about this? That sort of thing. Just finding the ways that we could continue to connect across being away. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:24:43]: Now, I always finish our interviews with what I like to call the dad connection. 6 and usually it's just a dad on. But now that I have both of you, I'm going to ask you both the questions. So, Eva, what's one word that describes your relationship with your dad? Eva Bennett [00:24:55]: Like, the first word that came to mind was silly. Because I feel like we like. Of course we're able to have really important talks and we're able to talk about stuff like that, but we're also able to be silly and talk about stuff that doesn't feel as important but kind of it still is. That was the first word that came to mind. Drew Bennett [00:25:14]: I can see that too, because I know that, like, when you were little, we'd play certain music, and I do silly dances, and you're only the person who sees the silly dances. And I can be silly. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:25:27]: And what word would you say, Drew? Drew Bennett [00:25:30]: I would say independent. That Eve has always been independent, fights for what she believes in, and is just very, very strong in that. In the. In the independence. So what. You asked what it describes our relationship, didn't you? Eva Bennett [00:25:47]: Yep. Drew Bennett [00:25:47]: Not what describes Eva. Is that a question for later? I'm sorry, Did I just totally mess that up? That is how I think of Eva. But, like, our relationship, I want to say, like, the word is fandom, that we appreciate the fandoms that we enjoy, and we can appreciate each other's. So I think that's helped us bond is the different things that we love together and separately and how we can talk about them together. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:26:12]: And, Eva, what's the best piece of dad advice you've ever received? Eva Bennett [00:26:17]: I feel like just the message of be yourself and you'll find your people, because that's something I've always been very worried about, and that's something that you seem to have no worries about for me on my behalf. So I think that's. That's a big piece of advice that I have gotten a lot, if not. If I haven't internalized it entirely yet. But it's something that I have gotten and has always been a very important message to me from my dad. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:26:40]: What about for you, Drew? What's the best piece of dad advice you ever received? Drew Bennett [00:26:44]: I think from my dad, I used to work with him cleaning up, and he was a contractor, and on the job sites, I would do a lot of the cleaning. And that has helped me in different jobs over the years. It's like, if you've got time to lean, you've got time to clean. I know that's mostly in the restaurant business, which I kind of picked up a second job to do that. And that has always just been my. There's always something that you can do to help, to be. To be useful, and that's always something that he may have. Might never have said, if you got time to lean, you got time to clean. Drew Bennett [00:27:13]: But that's like how I've internalized that, is that if you're there, you're there to help, to work, and to do what you can. And that's what I've taken with anything that I've ever done is like, you know, you're there. You do what you can while you're there sort of thing. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:27:27]: Now, this is a question that we've been talking a lot about. And it may be the same answer, but you can have a different answer. So I'm just going to say that. So, Eva, what's one activity you and your dad love doing together? Eva Bennett [00:27:38]: I mean, saying going to a convention feels like cheating, because that's what we've talked about this whole time. But that's definitely my favorite thing. That's our thing that we do, just the two of us. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:27:48]: Drew, do you want to give a different answer? Drew Bennett [00:27:49]: I mean, that is definitely something that I love doing, but I also just like nerding out over something that we both enjoy. So talking about it in such depth, because one of the things Eva will do is that after reading something, like a lot of books. So we both really loved the Percy Jackson series. And it was funny because that was the series that I was like, you gotta read this. I know you're gonna love it. And he's like, nah, now I like this other thing. No, no, no, no. And then Eva's cousins was reading it, and they decided to swap and say, okay, you read this, I'll read this. Drew Bennett [00:28:24]: And then Percy Jackson became the more interesting thing than the other. Oh, no. Oh, okay. Eva Bennett [00:28:30]: Sorry. I'm gonna cut in for a second. When we swapped, I still didn't like it until you got tickets to see the musical. Drew Bennett [00:28:35]: That's right. Eva Bennett [00:28:36]: You made me come and see the musical, and that's when I started to love it, and I loved it so much that I got a T shirt when I was there, and that's still in my closet somewhere. Drew Bennett [00:28:44]: Yeah. Eva Bennett [00:28:44]: So sorry. I just had to get the timeline right. Right. Drew Bennett [00:28:46]: And then there. So. And then there. There's. And we can always find something to talk about there in that. So with the different characters and stuff like that. So bonding over, like, our love of reading. Both big readers. Drew Bennett [00:28:58]: Right now, I'm more audio because I just don't have the time, and I love audiobooks so much. I may also. I will read a book, but I just love so many of the different ways that people do the narration of audiobooks. It's amazing. So I love that. But it's also absorbing what's going on in the books and being able to talk about the books. And we have this really beautiful bookstore in our area called Unlikely Story that's actually owned by the author of Diary of a Wimpy Kid, Jeff Kinney. You haven't run into him? No, he's there all the time. Drew Bennett [00:29:27]: But I've never met him and never run into him. Drew Bennett [00:29:29]: But he has such a wonderful bookstore, and that we love going there for books and just bonding over books, I think is something that. And if Eva's reading something that just really, really into, it might not be the genre that I'm into, but I'll give it a try. And one of the books she really loves, I read it, and I was like, oh, this is really interesting. So discovering new things together is fairly important too. Eva Bennett [00:29:52]: My answer kind of felt like I was cheating. The father daughter dance for school. We've always done that together. That's something that we really enjoy doing together, and that kind of feels like a cliche. Cause, like, every. Pretty much every dad and daughter does that, because that's, like, the thing specifically for them. Drew Bennett [00:30:08]: But, yeah, I mean, not every school has it, but it has been something that has been important part of our lives, because we even have our little things that we do at the father daughter dance. Like, we take the selfie with the dessert, or we'll dress alike with. To match. Drew Bennett [00:30:24]: Done that the past, you know, years. And that's something that I really, really love. Yeah. Drew Bennett [00:30:28]: And every time we go to get the picture, people are like, wow, how you guys? Because it's just, like, I want to support in one way that shows that we're there together and having a good time. And it's not just, all right, all the girls go off and dance together, and all the dads sit at the table. There's some of that. I don't dance so much, but I'll dance enough. But. But we do. That has been a good one. And this. Drew Bennett [00:30:49]: This was our last one this year, so that was kind of tough. Eva Bennett [00:30:52]: It was a good one. Drew Bennett [00:30:53]: It was a good one. It was a good one. Yeah. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:30:56]: Now, Drew, the next two questions are for you. Drew Bennett [00:30:58]: Okay. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:30:59]: If you could give Eva one life lesson in a single sentence, what would it be? Drew Bennett [00:31:03]: Pursue happiness. What it is that makes you happy. It might be hard, but that is going to be the thing that's going to be the most important as you go through life. So do that thing that makes you happy. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:31:14]: And what's one thing that you've learned about yourself since becoming a dad? Drew Bennett [00:31:18]: I know early on, I did not have very much patience, especially with more Eva's brother. But I've developed much more of that in a way that, like, there's so much that doesn't matter as far as, like, the things that I got stressed out about that just didn't matter. But the things that do matter are the things that stick. So I try to give the kids Just the freedom to do that which they want to do, because I know that they're smart kids. They're. They're good and kind kids. That is probably one of the most important things, is that they're good and kind. They think about other people and just not a lot of that. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:31:54]: So, Eva, in closing today, and Drew, you'll have a chance at this, too. What advice would you give to other dads who want to build a lasting and meaningful relationship with their daughters? Eva Bennett [00:32:04]: Try to connect with them about things that they love, like meet them where they're at. And I know dad has talked about that a lot, but I think that that's a really important part of why we have such good relationship, because he's talked about trying and reading books and stuff that I love, because there was a book that I like four times last that I loved so much, and you read it. You borrowed my copy, and you read it, and you didn't love it. It wasn't really your thing. You didn't entirely get it, but you knew that I loved it, so you still gave it that try. And I think it's things like that that are why we are able to have such a good relationship. Try and meet your kids where they're at. Even if you don't totally get it, give it a shot, because it might give you an opportunity or, like, a window into understanding them better. Drew Bennett [00:32:45]: You definitely meet them where they are and you find something that the two of you can enj. It might be something that you didn't know or you were adverse to doing. Like, maybe your daughter loves cooking, so you experiment with cooking together. Or they love photography or they love I'm not a sports guy. Maybe they love sports, but, like, wherever they're into, be into it enough that you can talk about it and show that you're making an effort into what they like. That's a good way to just start the ball rolling is be there where your child is at. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:25]: Well, Drew, Eva, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for sharing your journey with us. And, Eva, I wish you the best as you go forward into the next step of your journey into college and beyond. And, Drew, thank you for sharing this special bond that you have together, and I wish you both the best. Eva & Drew Bennett [00:33:44]: Thank you. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:44]: Thank you. That's a wrap for this episode of the dad and Daughter connection. Thanks for joining us on this journey to build stronger bonds and raise confident, independent daughters. 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The Art of Fatherhood: Lessons in Letting Go and Growing Together

How do you nurture independent, confident daughters while creating a deep, lasting relationship as a father? That's the question at the heart of the Dad and Daughter Connection [https://app.castmagic.io/podcast], hosted by Dr. Christopher Lewis [https://www.linkedin.com/in/drchristopherlewis/]—and in a recent episode, guest Art Eddy [https://www.linkedin.com/in/art-eddy/], host of the Art of Fatherhood podcast, shares relatable, hard-earned wisdom every dad (and parent) can appreciate. Cherishing the Small Moments One central theme is the value of everyday experiences—the dinners, shared jokes, and simple activities that reveal how "the small things make the big impact" in your relationship. Art Eddy recounts favorite moments: attending chorus performances, bonding at Bruins games, and even just sharing movie nights or video games at home. These aren't grand gestures, but they're where connection is built. Letting Go and Fostering Independence A recurring challenge, as discussed by both Dr. Christopher Lewis and Art Eddy, is finding the right balance between protecting your kids and gradually letting go. With both dads preparing for daughters to leave for college, they reflect on that poignant "crossroads"—learning to trust the foundation you've laid, and accepting that your children need space to stretch, fail, and grow. Art Eddy shares a particularly touching story about watching his daughter walk a college campus by herself for the first time, a real-life metaphor for this parental transition. The Power of Listening and Honest Conversation Listening—truly hearing your daughter, not just advising her—is another core message. Art Eddy emphasizes "two ears, one mouth—listen more, talk less," offering support when asked, and encouraging self-reflection instead of top-down instruction. This nurtures strong communication and respect, especially as children become teens and young adults. Imperfectly Present Both speakers candidly share their own mistakes, whether it's not asking for help, occasional impatience, or the struggle of balancing technology and quality time. The takeaway? No one is perfect, and being present—putting the phone down, engaging authentically—is what matters most. Fatherhood Is for Every Dad Finally, Art Eddy speaks passionately about celebrating diverse stories, real fatherhood from all walks of life, and creating positive, supportive communities for dads. If you're a dad (or parent) looking for practical wisdom, honest conversation, and plenty of heart—and maybe a few laughs—the Dad and Daughter Connection [https://app.castmagic.io/podcast] is for you. Listen in, and start building those small moments that make the biggest difference. If you enjoyed this episode we ask you to take a moment to take our Dad and Daughter Connection Survey [https://bit.ly/daddaughtersurvey] to let us know more about you as a dad. You can also sign up to get our newsletter [https://bit.ly/ddcneweletter] to stay connected to our community and we will send items of interest to you to help you to be the dad that you want to be. Feel free to follow me on the following social media platforms: Facebook [https://www.facebook.com/DrChristopherLewis], Facebook Group [https://www.facebook.com/groups/dadanddaughterconnections], Instagram [https://www.instagram.com/dadofdivas], LinkedIn [https://www.linkedin.com/in/drchristopherlewis/], X [https://www.x.com/dadofdivas]. TRANSCRIPT Art Eddy [00:00:02]: Welcome to the dad and Daughter Connection, the podcast for dads who want to Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:05]: build stronger bonds and raise confident, independent daughters. If you're looking to build a stronger bond with your daughter and help her grow into a confident, independent woman, you're in the right place. I'm Dr. Christopher Lewis, and the dad and Daughter Connection is the podcast where we dive into real stories, expert advice, and practical tips to help you navigate the incredible journey of fatherhood. In every episode, we'll bring you conversations that inspire, challenge, and equip you to show up as the dad your daughter needs. So let's get started, because being a great dad isn't just about being there. It's about truly connecting. Welcome back to the dad and Daughter Connection, where every week I love that you show up. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:56]: You're showing up not only to learn, to grow, to be able to be that dad that you want to be, but you're showing up for your daughters. Because every week you have an opportunity to be able to learn something new, to be able to meet new people, people that have gone through what you're going through, people that have something that they can share with you to help you to be that dad that you want to be. That's why this podcast exists. This podcast is here to be able to help you build those strong connections with your daughters who one day at a time. Because it's not always going to be roses, it's not always going to be easy, but showing up, being there, and being willing to put in the work, you're going to have a ton of dividends in the end. That's why every week, I love being able to bring you different people with different experiences, people that can give you some of their own experiences as being either dads, two daughters, or other people with resources that can help you to be that dad. Today we've got another great guest, Art. Eddie is with us. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:55]: Art and I have known each other for a long time. He is a father of two daughters. He's also the host of the Art of Fatherhood podcast. Great podcast. If you haven't listened to it, definitely check it out and we'll be talking about that. But as I said, he's a father of two daughters. So we're gonna learn a little bit more about his own parenting journey, and I'm really excited to have him here. Art, thanks so much for being here. Art Eddy [00:02:17]: Chris, appreciate being on the show. Love the work that you're doing. It's always good to catch up. Even before we started recording, we had like a 30 minute, like, awes podcast of just a reunion podcast. It was so good, man. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:29]: It really was. And we didn't record it. We probably shouldn't have recorded it. Art Eddy [00:02:33]: Yeah. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:35]: But it was still fun. Art Eddy [00:02:36]: Yeah. No, it's good, though, because, like, I miss these connections. I miss, like, you know, I mean, we were just talking about how fast time flies with our, you know, your daughter is in college. My daughter, my oldest. Your oldest is in college. My oldest is going to be going to college in the fall of this year. And it's just like, where'd the time go, man? Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:55]: Oh, the time just flies by. I mean, my youngest is going to college this fall, too, so our daughters are my youngest. Your oldest are both the same age, so we'll be going through that together as well. And things change, I tell you. I. I'm. I'm a little nervous about the empty nesting type of thing going on to see kind of what that dynamic brings. It's definitely going to be a lot quieter in the house, and I don't really know what to expect yet. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:03:23]: So it's gonna be a different situation at home, you know, and your relationship with your significant other is gonna change in different ways because you don't have the kids around to be a part. And the things that you focus your time in also change because for so many years, as you know, I mean, we put all this time and effort into raising our kids to being there for their activities and their. And the things that are important to them. And then as they go away, then we have to, we have to do other things. And, you know, we're focusing back on each other and going back to the beginning and, and really. And it's just different. So it's going to be interesting. Art Eddy [00:04:01]: No, 100%. Like, things, like, all right, how do you do things? Like, my wife and I got a little taste of it a couple weekends ago. Like, my daughters were hanging out with, like, some of their friends together, and they had like a sleepover like a Friday night. And they had something all the way through, like, Saturday. And it was just like, like Saturday night. And my wife, like, this is what it's going to be like, huh? We had, we went to go see a movie. We had like a nice breakfast together on Saturday morning. I was like, this is cool. Art Eddy [00:04:27]: But we also miss, like, it was funny. Like, one of the things, like, I love hanging out with my daughters, but, like, one of the college visits, they separated the, the parents and the kids. The kids were doing like these different, like, one on one interviews with some of the admins and we had the adults, like, getting in this one room to kind of talk and, like, this one, like, couple song. They're like, I can't wait. You know, this is my last kid. And then, like, I get to, like, take care of their room and change it into, like, their gym. We're so excited. And it was like, yeah, I can't wait. Art Eddy [00:04:55]: I'm like, what? I was like, oh, my gosh. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:05:00]: I can't say that I. I can't wait. I mean, I. I am going to miss having them around. Art Eddy [00:05:05]: Yeah. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:05:05]: I mean, there are days. I think we both know that there are days. Art Eddy [00:05:09]: Yes. But I had one day yesterday, actually, where I had to go search everywhere for a broken. For a. To replace a broken dryer knob that was like, I didn't want to, like, pay or, like, get some sketchy thing from, like, a secondary source. So like, I found here in, like, North Carolina, a place that, like, sold that stuff. But I had to, like, take time out of my day, then fix it. I was like, ah. I didn't like this. Art Eddy [00:05:33]: My day just got totally upside down. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:05:36]: I know that you're really engaged with your daughters, and you have had some amazing moments with them throughout their lives. As you think about some of those moments and some of those moments that have been most meaningful for you, what's one of the most meaningful moments that you would say that you've shared with your daughters and what made it so special? Art Eddy [00:05:54]: Yeah, for me, I would probably say, you know, as a collective, when they both are in chorus. So when I see them perform and when my youngest was playing the saxophone, it was great to see that, just to see, like, their achievements and different things. When my oldest got accepted to the college she's going to, which was great. The trials and tribulations, you know as well as I do of, like. Like, when we were going to college, totally different, but, like, the process is totally different, and I appreciate her journey into that. And then my youngest, she and I will go to Bruins games when they play here in North Carolina, and we have those moments where we joke around. And, like, she, like, my youngest and I kind of share the same type of humor. We have different senses of humor, but we share, like, if you have a Venn diagram, certain parts of our humor, like, coexist. Art Eddy [00:06:40]: And so, like, we're at the dinner table, like, one of the things that we always strive to do most of the time, I'd say, like, out of the seven days of the week, probably four to five times we're having dinner together. And we're all talking about our days, and we're just kind of like, learning, like, the ups and downs and stuff. But, like, I'll say something, and my youngest will like, look at me. And we'll just like, have this moment and everyone, like, the other two, like my wife and my oldest, like, what? What? And I'm like, don't worry about it. So it's just like, those are the moments that you cherish seeing my youngest right now, she went to regional for track for her high school, and she got her own personal record, which was awesome to see that. And then I think also too, like, when you hear a teacher or in. In for me, for my oldest, when she gets a compliment or she got, like, employee of the year for the ymca, I was like, that was impressive. Like, those are the things where I'm like, that's awesome. Art Eddy [00:07:31]: And I. I say, like, I'm proud of you. You should be proud of yourself. And we just kind of talk about, like, how they got to that certain spot and stuff like that. So, yeah, there are certain times where you're having to fix a broken dryer knob and you're just frustrated and I don't have any hair, so I can't pull any hair out anymore. But then there's the good. Totally outweighs, like, the. The frustrating parts of being a dad. Art Eddy [00:07:52]: So, like, it's good, but it's just like, just those moments where I can celebrate their wins together with them and share those jokes or share those laughs. Like, my youngest and I went to see Mortal Kombat 2 recently. We had fun, and she got the different jokes from, like, playing Mortal Kombat with me and stuff. So it was just like, it was cool. Like, those moments, the bonding and listen to them, you know, man, like, is. You've talked about this. I love when you have, like, on LinkedIn or different places where you have those, like, five minutes of, like, hey, this is how you can connect to your daughter. Right? Like, I appreciate those because I'm, like, nodding my head listening to you. Art Eddy [00:08:24]: I'm like, yep, I have experienced that too. So it's the small things. And my kids have taught me it's the small things that make the big Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:08:32]: impact of those memories, really is the small things. And a number of the things that you talked about really make me think about. You've done a really good job of being able to help your daughters as they've been older to become more independent. And you, you're doing a lot to be able to prepare them. You've got your oldest going off to college. And, you know, I've done the same in trying to help my daughters to be able to be those independent people. But that's not always easy. It's not always easy to find that balance between kind of guiding your daughter while also giving them independence. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:09:06]: How did you do that in your own parenting journey with your daughters? Art Eddy [00:09:10]: It's tough, man, because I think you've heard this probably before on your podcast. We probably had this conversation before, years ago, or at the different conferences we might be at together. But, like, your job is to make sure that you are no longer relevant in their lives anymore in the sense of, like, them needing you. Like, they can, like you said, be independent. And that's tough. But, like, there was one time earlier this year when a metaphor actually came into reality, because you're at that crossroads of, like, letting your daughter or your child be more independent, and they're going off to college and they're going to be their own. I remember we were touring the. The campus of Clemson, and it was when spring break was happening, like, right. Art Eddy [00:09:46]: Right around, like, March Madness. So the campus was, like, empty, according to, like, the people we've talked to. And it was like alumni weekend. So the weekend was kind of, like, busy with, like, alumni and all that other stuff. But, like, there are no kids there. All the buildings, for the most part, are shut down. And we're walking the campus, and my youngest and my wife are kind of, like, looking at this one, like, plaque or memorial. And I'm in the middle between, like, the distance of them and my oldest, who's walking it by herself, and I'm just like, oh, should I run up to her, like, you know, catch up with her and see what she's doing? And I'm like, no, this is something where, like, the metaphor actually is happening in real life, where I'm at a crossroads of, like, maybe it was a brick crossroads, but I'm like, I'm gonna stay here in the middle, wait for my youngest and my wife to catch up, let my daughter do her own thing, because that's what she's going to need to. Art Eddy [00:10:32]: And for me to physically feel that. I was just like, this is life, man. And I think the first time that my wife and I, Reese, like, in, like, I'd say a couple years ago, really got emotional is when our oldest. I'm in the process of teaching my youngest how to drive right now. She's almost done with her hours and requirements. But when our daughter, our first one, went off, drove by herself. Like, it was emotional. This is growing up, but it's also scary out there. Art Eddy [00:10:57]: So those are the things you, like, have to trust. You can't be that helicopter parent you were when you were, like, when they first were learning how to walk. And you're just near them and making. Making sure that they don't, like, fall and hit their head or something like that. But now it's totally different and you're letting the reins go. You have let the reins go for a while now, but it's just those are the moments where life gives you a little push. And it's like you got to make sure that you did the best you could. And I bet you probably when your oldest was going off to college, you're like, did I say everything I needed to say before she left? And it's just, like, frustrating when things pop up and it's like, I'll talk to them later about it, but, like, are you going to find that time? So it is always that struggle of letting go, but also making sure you give them all of your, like, the wisdom you think that they'll need in the future. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:11:42]: And you're never going to be able to unpack everything. You're never going to be able to give them everything. The way I look at it is, is that what you at least can hope for is that you've given them enough and that you've given them the tools to one, figure out things for themselves, or two, give them the ability to be able to say, hey, I need to call dad. I need to ask and see what he has to say. And know that you're always gonna be able to be there if she needs you. But that at the same time, you want her to fail, you want her to learn, and you want her to grow. Now, speaking of that, in regards to helping your daughters to be able to kind of learn, grow, and be kind of ready for the things that they want in their life. Every one of our daughters has passions, they have dreams, they have things that you talked about. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:12:34]: Music and track and things that in high school are important to them. But as they get older, they start to up ideas for who do they want to be, what do they want to do? And those become the passion and dreams that they're aiming for. The light at the end of the tunnel, the goals that they've. They've set for themselves. How do you support your daughters in pursuing those passions and dreams? Art Eddy [00:12:55]: Great question. Listening. I think the biggest thing is listening. And when they ask for advice, you can give it and say like, you know, I always preface saying, when I was around your age, things were a little bit different. But there are some similarities. Cliches happen, are there for a reason because they happen throughout eons and all that. I remember one of the podcasts I had, I was talking to a gentleman and he was saying the best advice he got from his father in law is like, things change. Technology changes. Art Eddy [00:13:22]: Everything here and there is like the one thing that's constant is people having babies. In parenthood there hasn't been like this huge advancement in the sense of like yes, certain things through a medical system and all this other stuff. Yes. But it's like for the most part nothing has really changed. So it's like people have been doing it, people have been making mistakes, but the generations are still living on and I think just making sure that you're listening into seeing what they want at that time. There are certain things that I've watched from the quote unquote sidelines being like, that's what they want to do. But I don't see them like having any drive or what I would have done. Like, it's hard to separate what, how I would approach it versus how they would approach it. Art Eddy [00:13:58]: And there's certain times where they've experienced, whether it's through school, I mean they get good grades, great grades, they do really, really well with friends and some other things. But whether it's like managing a budget or sometimes not studying as much, I said, hey, you know, mom and I were saying you should have kind of done this. But like, what did you think? What did you feel? Did you feel like you were online with your friends more than you should have, like playing Roblox or something? Like that's like the whole rage where like after dinner and they get all their work done, they'll stay up for a while and playing out. I'm like, you guys go with everything. Like, yeah. And then there's certain times where like she had to make my youngest or my oldest had to like prepare their lunch for the next day because like I'll get them the ingredients from like you have to, to make it, this is your lunch. If they're running late or something, or not feeling good, sure I'll make them breakfast and all that other stuff. But for the most part you want them to be self sufficient. Art Eddy [00:14:44]: But there are certain times where like you just kind of like smile and wave. And then there's other times you're like, how'd that turn out? And then you don't be like mean or something. But you're like, seriously, like, how did you feel like that worked out? And did you think you could have probably done better? And you just want to give them those learning moments while it's in the moment. If they don't listen to you, that's fine. But then if they succeed doing it their own way, perfect. But if there's other things, like, hey, I might have probably let down, like, I probably would have played less Roblox, my friends online and studied for us a little bit more. But again, like, they get great. They get great grades, but I think sometimes they get ticked off if they get a B or something. Art Eddy [00:15:19]: And it's like, well, like, if you wanted the better results, you needed to put more work in. And they're like, I know that, but we've all had that. This is an adult. There's certain things I kind of need to do X, Y and Z around the house. But there's a new Star wars animated series that just dropped two episodes. I. I'm going to watch that right now. And then my day gets a little pushed on the next day, a little bit more busy just because I kind of should have done stuff on, like, Monday. Art Eddy [00:15:40]: Now it's left for Tuesday, if that makes sense. And so there are certain times where my kids call me out and I'll be like, yeah, you're right. I should practice what I preach. And this time I didn't. So thanks for calling me out. And you want to make sure that you, like, I think nowadays as you see this as well, like, there are so many, whether it's online or in conversations where if someone knows that they're wrong, but they're still, like, trying to prove that they're right. It's like, it's okay to admit that you're wrong and move on, say you're sorry, or like, hey, I should have known a little bit more information before I jumped into that conversation. So those are the things that, like, we have these conversations where, yes, I'm still the parent, they're still the kid, but we. Art Eddy [00:16:13]: As they get older, you're gonna. There's that gap where it's shortening and letting them be more vocal instead of just telling them, like, no, it's bedtime, like when they're a toddler. So those are the things. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:16:24]: One of the things that that says to me is that none of us are perfect. Right? I mean, our daughters aren't perfect. We're not perfect. We're humans. We might make mistakes, and they may make mistakes. It's about how do you talk about it, how do you communicate, how do you work through it in the end? You know, speaking of mistakes, I know that as fathers, we always make mistakes and we don't always show it, but we do make mistakes. What's a mistake that you've made as a. As a dad, and what did you learn from it about fostering, I guess, more positive communication with your daughters? Art Eddy [00:16:56]: I would say. And I think this maybe is a stereotype or something that dads kind of go through. There's different levels of suffering and silence, but, like, it's like, on a smaller scale where it's most of the time and just with our schedules and stuff like that, even, you know, teaching a class at UNC or, you know, running the Art of Fatherhood, I'm the one that mostly picks up my youngest teaches, like, you know, gets a drive time hours and makes the meals, does the cleaning, does the cooking and all that stuff, because I'm very robotic and I'm very strategic in my weekly. I know Tuesday is going to be cleaning day, and all of a sudden, like, my laundry pattern is down to, like, a science, right? Sometimes I'm going to need help, and sometimes, whether things get, you know, more things get piled on my plate, I don't ask for help. And there are some times where I get frustrated. If someone didn't pick up the thing, I asked them, like, three times in a row, and then like, the fourth time I'm like, fine, I'll just do it myself. And I. And they're like, well, why are you upset? I'm like, because I'm doing everything. Art Eddy [00:17:46]: Like, well, tell us. You need help, right? So, like, I think sometimes asking for help and what stinks is you think, like, we can put all the burden on ourselves. It's not a great model to teach our kids. So that's the thing where it's like, I've messed up a couple times. And that's the thing where maybe in the beginning, as when I became a dad, like, learning how to be patient. Now it's like, I need to, like, ask for help. And that is really hard for me to do because I don't want to burden anybody with stuff I need to do, if that makes sense. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:18:13]: It does make sense. And you've talked about your podcast a few times, and I want to talk a little bit about that because you've been doing Art of Fatherhood for many years now and probably of fatherhood podcasts that I know of. I think yours is probably one of the longest standing That I know that is still running today, but not everyone has listened to it. And I guess I want to go back in time a little bit first and talk to me a little bit about why art of fatherhood. Why did you decide that you wanted to do this? I know that your background is in radio and in media, and you worked in that for many years, but when you pivoted and you went to create the art of fatherhood, you didn't have to do that. You could have kept doing the radio thing. You could have done something else, but you went all in. So talk to me about that. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:18:56]: Why did you decide to do that? And why have you kept doing it for this many years? Art Eddy [00:19:00]: Yeah, thank you for asking. I appreciate it. I was working in radio. We had our second child, and my wife and I were like, all right, let's. We don't want to go to the daycare route. And again, like, for anybody doing daycare, I'm not. I always feel like I have to say, like, I'm not judging. Like, it was just something like, every family pieces of advice for new dads, if they're listening to this. Art Eddy [00:19:17]: It's like, your family does not have to keep up the Joneses or that Instagram family that looks like everything is glamorous on every photo. But my wife and I were like, yeah, one of us. You need to stay home. And radio wasn't the most secure landscapes in career field. So I was like, all right, I'll be the home dad. And I started writing for, like, maybe Yahoo, Bleacher Report and some other things. Once I started getting my own pattern down of being the stay at home dad and then the different groups, like, you know, meeting you, the dad 2.0 conference. I started working for a fatherhood site, doing a lot of creative and writing stuff, and then started doing the podcast. Art Eddy [00:19:49]: And then that kind of disbanded years ago. And so I'm like, I still want to do this because I have a passion for talking about it. I feel like not only do I love talking about father, but I feel like it makes me a better father because I'm in forest and like, I understand, like, all the different conversations and all the. The conversations that I have and me reflecting on fatherhood as through my writing, I'm like, it makes me better. And I feel like there's a space that you and I are doing this because not just to hear ourselves talk, but we have a passion for making sure that we're not only being good dads ourselves, but highlighting other good dads. And you Want to break those stereotypes here and there of what dads look like. And we're not. We're not looking to create these awesome Instagram accounts. Art Eddy [00:20:29]: And, like, these are the words of wisdom. It's real life fatherhood. And so that's my passion. So I went out on my own, obviously, have a little dad joke in there, the art of fatherhood. And sometimes, you know, people will be like. When emails are like, hey, what's up, Eddie? I'm like, actually, my first name's Art. And they're like, oh, I get it now. It's like, yeah, it's like, so I just love it. Art Eddy [00:20:52]: But it's really, for me, just seeing the different viewpoints of fatherhood. I was just. Last night, I was with. I run at our church, like a men's ministry group, me and a couple other guys. And we try and like, throughout the year, we have, you know, some service events where we'll clean up the church or we'll clean up other. Do other things around community service, but then we'll have fun events. This one was a fun event where we had some pizza. It was just a bunch of guys playing can jam and, you know, talking to just having fun, like pizza, soda, seltzer, all that good stuff, and just hang out at a park. Art Eddy [00:21:22]: And we were just talking about, like, how people pretty much are more connected than they see than they seem on the media, where there's such this great divide, right? And I think for you and I, we're trying to have positive examples of father, but also too, like, we're seeing the connections that we're more similar than we are different, and we're not as divisive as different news organizations want to pin us to be. So my passion is to, like, have a great conversation on fatherhood, positive examples of fatherhood, and a community of dads are looking to do things. Like, I even feel bad we're white guys, right? But, like, you see black dads or other minority dads, maybe in this country or worldwide, have a bad reputation and have, like, go on these stereotypes. I love bringing all guys from different walks of life, whether they're Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever the case may be talking about fatherhood in a positive way, seeing that you might look different, but you actually have the same goal of raising great people in this world. We need more of that instead of just looking for clickbait, like. Like, I have seen even parenting sites, and you've probably seen this too, where they create this controversial question just so where they can, like, create more clicks or Whatever. Like, I'm not about that. I'm just. Art Eddy [00:22:34]: You and I are both about positive things. Like, especially people listening to your podcast, you want dads to connect with their daughters in a healthy and positive way. So, like, you and I are on the same page with that. So that's where, like, the art of fatherhood and, like, that's like, what fuels my passion all the time. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:22:49]: And I know you've had a couple of different podcasts, and in the past, when you were affiliated with the Life of Dad podcast, you had a book with John Finkel called Life of Reflections on Fatherhood from Today's Leaders, Icons, and Legendary Dads. But since then, like you said, going off on your own and having art of fatherhood, you've continued to have those conversations, and I guess you've had many of them. And I'm sure that in those conversations, some trends have popped up, some things have come out where you like. Either one, yep, it reinforces the idea. Or two, you know, I never thought of it that way, and I think all dads need to be thinking about some things in this way. So what are some of those trends? So what are some of those things that you found in all of these conversations that you've been able to have? Art Eddy [00:23:40]: Yeah, great question. Some of the trends are. I mentioned it before when I was, you know, when my kids were younger, like, having patience. I think when I ask, you know, like, a piece of advice for, you know, new dads that I'm asking my guests so that they can offer to them that are listening, it's like, no, it's like, you need to have patience. Everyone's going to work on that. And another thing, too is like, people, like, especially nowadays listening to this finances, right? Like, people think, like, kids are expensive. Yes, kids are super expensive. I think if you have kids in high school and they're kind of on the border of going to college and all this other stuff, like, like, I felt like this was the most expensive year of school and, like, getting ready for college for me and my wife, like, just, just in general of, like, all these different trips, all these different new. Art Eddy [00:24:24]: Like, one of my daughters went to, like, a brand new school and they have the only two classes, sophomore and freshman, and she's a sophomore. So it's just like all the different expenses with this and that, and it's like, like finances. Like, there's always going to be finances, but you find a way. And then two is just the idea of putting the phone down. Like, you hear people say, I need to Put the phone down. I need to put the phone down. And the more and more I hear about that, like, I remember my mom worked in the medical field, like, working for, like, you know, working in, like, in the office space, like, helping out with the doctors and all that other stuff when I was in, like, elementary and middle school and high school. And then my dad worked in the medical device field. Art Eddy [00:25:03]: So, like, he was, like, busy with certain things, but when they got home, they were home. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:25:08]: Home. Art Eddy [00:25:08]: Chris, I'm. I'm guessing there are certain times for work or for your podcast, there's just other things, like the phone bings and it's like a notification. Even you have no notifications off. You might still like, did I get that email that I was waiting for, for the end of the day? And then you miss that opportunity to talk with your kids. So putting your phone down. Putting your phone down. And that's why we love having, you know, dinner. There's no devices at the table. Art Eddy [00:25:29]: And then there's certain times we'll be watching a show together, or my wife and the girls will go to the gym together. Whatever, whatever. I work out at home. I used to work out at the gym with them, too. But, like, when the pandemic came, I got all the stuff. I'm like, well, I'm just working out here. So, like, that's. That's the, like, I guess the downside, but, like, when I go to the gym as a guest pass, like, they love having you here. Art Eddy [00:25:47]: I'm like, yeah, just whatever. It's just my routine. But I would say those are the trends of, like, putting the phone down. Finances. There's always going to be tough battles that you're going to have, like, make sure you're communicating with your spouse about that and the patient. So those are, like, the trends I see. And then the things that I've learned, like, you're asking me, I'd say, say in terms of finances, I've had guys who are in the financial area and just like, in the industry and. And work and different things. Art Eddy [00:26:11]: And it's just the idea of, like, teaching your kids about money at an early age, I thought was like, man, I wish I kind of did that. I wish I had this conversation when my kids were, you know, 10 and 8 or something like that. Like, they have an allowance. They. We told them how to budget certain things here and there. But there's more certain things. I was like, that would have been better if I told him that. So what about, like, managing finances and having those being, you know, financially responsible. Art Eddy [00:26:36]: And we've been having more and more conversations with that, especially with our oldest as she gets into getting to go to college and all that. I was gonna say getting into the real world, I hate that. I feel like we're always in the real world, but like, it almost like dumbs down our kids experiences because they are in the real world. Going to school, having a part time job, all these other things. So that's why I kind of paused for that. It's like everyone's like, why, why? What was going on there? So I just almost had to catch myself. But I wanted to explain it. But like just the idea of learning the finances, but then also too embracing technology is something that I've kind of had to learn because we always like, I think when you and I were in our heyday, when, you know, I'd say around like 2015, 2016, like dads were having a moment and I remember you and I were kind of doing campaigns on like screen time and digital age and all these other things. Art Eddy [00:27:22]: But if you, you negate your kids learning the technology that's happening around them, but you want to do in a healthy way and there's different ways you can do that, different companies and different apps and all that other stuff. But like if you tell them like, oh, they're not having any screen time, okay, that's fine. Like maybe they're not watching shows. If you teach them about technology, whether it's a smartphone or whether it's an app or something, like developing code or whatever, that's a thing where you got to kind of embrace that. And that was the thing where I was just like, like, oh, screen time. Okay, yes, but how do you manage that? And how do you teach the kids about the future? Because like our, like our parents growing up, their rate of technology change was a lot slower than ours. And the, the rate of technology change for our kids is super fast compared to when we were growing up. You picked up a phone, a landline, and we were online doing like a report on Abraham Lincoln for high school. Art Eddy [00:28:15]: The Internet just got disconnected because someone picked up and had to make a phone call. So I'm just saying like technology and learning how to embrace it and the health, but also talk about the negative sides as well, I think are certain things. And then also too, you see, I don't know if you've read this as well, but a lot of kids are underage, drinking is going down, but now that weed and some other things are available, like that's popping up like Gummies and other stuff. Like, so that's the thing where it's like, how do you. You gotta also be, like, talking about certain things where. When we used to say, like, oh, yeah, you know, weed, that's illegal now. It's legal in certain things in a certain age. Like, how do you teach your kids about that, too? And navigating that space. Art Eddy [00:28:50]: So that's another thing that I've learned talking to some other, you know, dads and moms along the journey, too. If you shy them from everything, then as soon as they get out and expose, they're like, what's this? What's this? It's like, you should have those conversations before things get. When they're out of your home. And like, they're like, I wish dad and mom talked to me more about this. You know? Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:29:07]: Completely understand that. Now. As you think about the future of the art of fatherhood, I ask two questions. One, what's in store if you can unveil and lift the curtain a little bit? But two, who's that elusive guest? Who's the one that you've been. Because you've had a lot of celebrities, you've had sports people, you've had. I mean, you've had a lot of people and had a lot of opportunity to have a lot of people. But who's the unicorn? Who's the one that you've really wanted to have that you've not been able to capture yet? Art Eddy [00:29:37]: Nothing to, like, unveil or nothing, like, behind the curtain, so to speak, for the art of father. I just, again, like, just kind of like you. Like, I see the work that you put in week in and week out in. It's. I wouldn't say slow and steady. It's steady because I don't think the work that you and I do are slow at all. It's just the. The pace that we need to. Art Eddy [00:29:54]: It's steady in terms of this and in the content that people expect from you and I. So, like, that's the thing where I'm like, okay, keep it going. There are some other things I'm trying to maybe work out. Maybe some new columns, some new ideas in terms of maybe the certain questions I ask or whatever. But for the most part, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I appreciate the feedback I get from people and the reviews and the subscriptions, all that good stuff. People, when I talk to them about sponsorships, like, I really love what you're doing. Like, all right, cool. Art Eddy [00:30:19]: The elusive guest, I would say, like, and and it's funny. It's more of, like, being a Jordan fan. My friends are like, when are you gonna get Jordan? Because I've had, like, Mark Ham. I've had. I've interviewed Bo Jackson, Dave Robinson, like, Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, like, my sports idols. Like, people I appreciated as a kid growing up. Like, when you get in Michael Jordan, I'm like, do you know how hard it is for people in the sports landscape to talk about, like, to get an interview? I said, like, if it happens, that'd be great. But, like, right now, he's doing this nascar. Art Eddy [00:30:44]: Like, I think most of my friends, especially my friends from high school, being like, oh, I see you interviewed so and so when you get in Jordan, I'm like, thanks, man. Let me celebrate this win first, and I'll try to see if I can get Jordan. So I think that's, like, that was the thing. And teaching at unc, everyone's like, you're gonna get Belichick. And I'm like, unc's huge, man. Like, I. I don't know, like, the. The intricacies of, like, trying to get everybody. Art Eddy [00:31:06]: And I don't want to, like, put that card out there and be like, hey, like, I'm not going to be that guy, right? So it's just the idea of, like, for me, it's Jordan. And like I said, it's mostly my friends being like, cool. You got this person. That's awesome. When's Jordan? I'm like, all right, thanks. So I'd say Jordan, yeah. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:31:20]: For me, I have always wanted to have Dax Shepard on, and I've tried numerous times. Never been able to get him on. But I love the. How engaged he is as a father of daughters and how protective he is, too. But also, I think he has a lot that he could share beyond what he already shares on his own podcast. I don't know if it'll ever happen, but being someone. He's also from Michigan, so love to have another Michigander and also a good dad on the show. Art Eddy [00:31:49]: But yeah, man, like, I keep again, like, it's always, you gotta keep. And that's another thing you can teach your kids, right? Whether they. They listen to this episode, but they'll see the work that you're putting in and what you want to do, right? And if you get him, then it's like, they will see that win, and it's just like, you might get 75 no's. Sorry, he can't do it. He's busy. Nope, can't do it. But then that's 70 time. He's like, how's next week sound? Is there a good day? And you're like, I'll make it. Art Eddy [00:32:14]: Like, I'll move heaven and earth to make sure this works. So, yeah, I hope you get a man. I really hope you get them. And again, it's just, I think all the things that we try and do, not just in this fatherhood space, but we should share our victories with our kids just so that they know, okay, it is going to take work, I think, especially nowadays with the. I'm talking on both sides of my mouth about social media and technology. But, like, social media, like fomo, exists now because people are seeing other things. I think when we were kids, FOMO promo was like, you. You're riding your bike and you see all your friends at one house with other bikes just standing in the lawn and be like, why don't I get called? Or, why didn't someone get me? Right? Like, now everybody has it right in their face if they, you know, are on social media and stuff like that. Art Eddy [00:32:50]: So, like, there is that grind that a lot of people sometimes don't see that you're putting in. So hopefully you get them. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:32:56]: Man, I appreciate it. Now we always finish our interviews with what I like to call our dad connection. 6. Six more questions to delve a little bit more into you as a dad. You ready? Yep. What's one word, word that describes your relationship with your daughters? Art Eddy [00:33:08]: Communicative. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:08]: What's the best piece of dad advice you've ever received? Art Eddy [00:33:12]: Yeah, two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen more, talk less. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:16]: What's one activity that you and your daughters love doing together? Art Eddy [00:33:19]: I would say any type of, like, video games, whether it's NHL or whether it's Mario Kart or something on the Nintendo Switch. A certain plane like that. Or go and see movies we love, like checking out movies. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:29]: If you could give your daughters one life lesson in a single sentence, what would it be? Art Eddy [00:33:34]: You're enough. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:35]: And what's one thing you've learned about yourself since becoming a dad? Art Eddy [00:33:38]: How much love you can have for another person. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:40]: And finally, what advice would you give to other dads who want to build a lasting and meaningful relationship with their daughters? Art Eddy [00:33:48]: Talk to your kids on their level. Never say, like, oh, don't worry about this. It'll pass. Understand where they're at, meet them where they are, then they're going to meet you where you are, and you'll have a great relationship. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:33:59]: Well, Art, I just want to say thank you. Thank you for being here today for being a part of the show, for the work that you're doing. If people want to find out more about you and the art of fatherhood, where should they go? Art Eddy [00:34:09]: Artofatherhood.net podcast comes out every Monday. Different articles throughout the week. But again, I really appreciate the time. I love the work that you're doing. Again, like, our friendship is great and over the years we've like, you know, we can just like text each other or just send, you know, DMs or something like that to make us chuckle. But again, it's really cool to see not just your wins, but also your family's wins, too, and different things that we see out like that you post on social media. But yeah, it's always been a blast and I always appreciate taking time to chat with you, man. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:34:35]: Same here. And I wish you the best as you get your daughter ready for college and as you transition into being a dad with one daughter in the household. It does change things and it, and it definitely takes a little bit of time and patience, but you'll get there. And as always, thanks again for all that you do. Art Eddy [00:34:54]: Appreciate you, man. Thank you. That's a wrap for this episode of the dad and Daughter Connection. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:34:58]: Thanks for joining us on this journey to build stronger bonds and raise confident, independent daughters. Remember, being an engaged dad isn't about being perfect. It's about being present. Art Eddy [00:35:09]: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:35:11]: to subscribe and share it with a fellow dad. Art Eddy [00:35:14]: And don't forget, you can find all our episodes at dadanddaughterconnection.com until next time, keep showing up, keep connecting and keep being the dad she needs. Musical Performer We're all in the same boat and it's full of tiny screaming passengers. We spend the time, we give the lessons, we make some meals, we buy them presents and bring your A game Cause those kids are growing fast the time goes by just like a dynamite blast Calling astronauts and firemen Carpenters and muscle men get out and be the world to them. Be the best dad you can be. Be the best dad you can be.

29. juni 202636 min

Building Lasting Bonds: Intentional Fatherhood with Adam Angel

In this powerful episode of the "Dad and Daughter Connection" podcast, host Dr. Christopher Lewis welcomes Adam Angel, father, therapist, and founder of the Dads with Wisdom community. Together, they explore what it really means to show up for your daughter—not just as a parent but as a vulnerable, intentional human being. A recurring theme in their conversation is intentionality. Adam Angel shares touching stories about helping his daughter face challenges, like her anxiety before a swim test and building confidence in new activities like basketball and jiu jitsu. Instead of forcing outcomes, he strives to give her the safety and encouragement to try, fail, and choose for herself. As Adam Angel reveals, "I want you to see what it could look like...I'll show you, and you can tell me if you want to do it after you try." The episode delves deeply into supporting your child through difficult moments, embracing open conversations about emotions, and being honest with your kids about your own struggles. Adam Angel reflects on the need for dads to be "open-hearted and willing to not just be wrong, but to be able to learn from her, and also grieve or struggle through something with her." These moments of honesty, he suggests, build trust and teach kids about resilience and empathy. Another core lesson: connection isn't always about grand gestures; it's often found in the consistent, day-to-day presence—whether it's attending basketball games, settling in for bedtime, or making one-on-one smoothie dates. Adam Angel emphasizes that just "showing up and being there" in both small and big ways tells your daughter she can count on you. This episode doesn't shy away from tough realities, either—like how admitting mistakes and apologizing as a parent strengthens bonds, or the challenges of allowing your child independence in a world that sometimes feels unsafe. Lastly, the conversation highlights the importance of community and vulnerability for dads. Through his Dads with Wisdom groups, Adam Angel sees firsthand the transformative impact of men supporting each other, breaking cycles of isolation, and learning together. If you're a dad—or anyone invested in raising confident, emotionally healthy daughters—this episode offers a wealth of practical wisdom and heartfelt encouragement. Listen now and be inspired to connect more deeply, both with your child and yourself. TRANSCRIPT Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:00:02]: Welcome to the dad and Daughter Connection, the podcast for dads who want to build stronger bonds and raise confident, independent daughters. If you're looking to build a stronger bond with your daughter and help her grow into a confident, independent woman, you're in the right place. I'm Dr. Christopher Lewis, and the dad and Daughter Connection is the podcast where we dive into real stories, expert advice, and practical tips to help you navigate the incredible journey of fatherhood. In every episode, we'll bring you conversations that inspire, challenge, and equip you to show up as the dad your daughter needs. So let's get started, because being a great dad isn't just about being there. It's about truly connecting. Welcome back to the dad and Daughter Connection, where every week we have an opportunity to be able to work on those relationships that we want to have with our daughters one day at a time. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:03]: I love being able to have you here every week because it is an opportunity. It's an opportunity for you and I to be able to learn and grow together. You know, I've got two daughters, you have daughters, and you're here. And I applaud you for that. Because by showing up, that's saying something. Because that means that you do want to create a stronger, more lasting relationship with your daughter. And that's why this podcast is here. This podcast is here to help you, to give you some tips, some tricks, some tools for your toolbox to help you to be that dad that you want to be. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:01:37]: I love being able to introduce you to different people, different people with different experiences that can give you some help along the way, give you some perspective about things that might have worked, maybe they didn't work, but it will help you to be able to frame how do you want to show up for your daughter. So I am really excited because we are having a brand new guest here today. Adam angel is with us. And Adam is a father of two. He's got a. He's got a son and a daughter, and we're going to be talking about his daughter, of course, but we're also going to be talking about a community that he has been building over a number of years called Dads With Wisdom. And it's an. It's a community that you might want to check out yourself, so we'll learn a little bit more about that as well. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:22]: Adam, thanks so much for being here today. Adam Angel [00:02:24]: Thanks for having me. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:02:25]: I'm really excited to be able to have you. And for full transparency to everyone. Adam has been on a previous podcast with me. So my old in my past podcast, the Dads with Daughters podcast, Adam was on four years ago, so we're moving forward in time. And now his daughter is nine years old. And I'm really excited to be able to delve a little bit deeper into what's happened over those years and what's happened up till now. And I guess to start off today, one question that I, Adam, is, as you think about the relationship with your daughter, what's one of the most meaningful moments that you've shared with your daughter and what made it so special? Adam Angel [00:03:02]: One of the most meaningful moments was when she was trying to pass the swim test right before the swim team. This was after we last talked. And I think in terms of being more active and trying to find a thing that she could do physically, that wasn't something that came automatically to her. There was a lot of anxiety around sort of that or idea that it wasn't good for her, meaning, like, didn't fit her. And so really what I was navigating on my end was trying to figure out how much to push and how much to support and sort of leave it to her. And this was like a moment I'll never forget, because as we had been doing swimming classes, I could see that she was, you know, getting some confidence, and she had. We ended up with this wonderful teacher who I started the training, and then I could see that she needed something from someone else and that had been really good and progressed. And then there was this moment where she wanted to pass a swim test and was really afraid. Adam Angel [00:03:56]: And we had set up the swim tester. You know, there was like, some date to do it, and if you passed that, then you had a chance at the swim team, which she could. I could definitely tell she was interested in, she expressed interest in. So anyway, so we're driving there, and she started to get nervous, and she said, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do a swim test. And I said, you don't have to do it. We're already in the car. We're already halfway there. Adam Angel [00:04:21]: You're in your swimsuit. Let's go there. We'll be there. We'll stand there. And if. If you don't want to do it when you get there, we don't have to do it, but I want to just go. And she said she agreed. She didn't really say much, but she didn't protest. Adam Angel [00:04:32]: And she can protest. She doesn't have a problem with that. So we get there, and at the pool, we're Standing there and she. They call for kids her age and she looks over and she's about to say something to me. I see her shed one or two tears and I said, I just looked at her, I'm like, you good? And she just kind of nodded and she would just jump right in. And then she passed the test, which was just awesome. And honestly, right after she passed the test, she just jumped in, like with her friends, and then she started playing the rest of the afternoon in the pool. It was just like a lot of relief on both sides, I think, for both of us. Adam Angel [00:05:09]: And I was just appreciating what I took from that. And by the way, she. So she joined the swim team, and then the next summer she was on the swim team as well. And then she did during the year. So just seeing how this progressed. And I'm happy to share more about that, but that moment for me was a lesson for myself on how much to push, to not want it for anything, but for her, but also to not let her sort of go in the house, you know what I mean? And just not see what she might be missing. So, like, you know, here's what it could be. I don't need to push you any further than this. Adam Angel [00:05:39]: And it was a, it was a great moment. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:05:41]: Now you just talked about the fact about pushing and trying to help your daughter to be able to achieve kind of those, those passions, those dreams that she has for herself, the things that she wants to accomplish. Talk to me about how you go about that support and what do you do to be able to support your daughter in pursuing those passions and dreams. Adam Angel [00:06:02]: What I've come to understand is like, I can help her through some low level skill building, meaning, like, you know, she wants to join something more serious. We're going to give her that opportunity, structure. But first I need to support her in understanding that everyone has fear, everyone has these barriers. And then I show her how this has happened to me and I support her in getting her in front of these situations. Like, like an example was the pool. But later she. She ended up trying basketball and she ended up loving it. But the reason she loved it is she ended up doing a summer camp for a week, which was really high intensity, which I was a little worried that could send her the other way. Adam Angel [00:06:44]: But I always give her the opportunity to say, like, hey, like, you can try this and you could step away from it, but I want to just show you what it looks like, you know, what it could look like. My dad used to say to me, better to Be the tail of the lion than the head of the wolves. And I've shared that with my kids and they both like it. They enjoy that. They notice that. And last week was the first week that she. And I'll tell you how that came about, but she decided she wanted to try jiu jitsu and so she did it and she enjoyed it. Whether she stayed with it or not, I'm not sure. Adam Angel [00:07:12]: But she stayed with basketball and she loves her neighborhood basketball team now too. So just to think of her last time we talked when she was 5, doing these different activities and just building this kind of confidence in ourself is just quite a progression. And I think ultimately it was, this is what it looks like. I'm here to support you through it. This is what it could look like at the very basic level. I'll show you and you could tell me if you want to do it after you try it or even in the middle. If you want to give up, that's okay. But I want you to see. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:07:41]: I love the intention that you're giving to that. And I guess one of the things that comes to mind are thinking about the intentional ways in which you're working with your daughter and helping her to be able to not only see you as a real person and understand your background and what made you who you are, but also helping her through those, those fears, those anxieties and more. Talk to me more about some of those intentional ways that you have worked to strengthen your bond with your daughter, especially during challenging times. Because we all know that it's not always easy, but there are challenging times too. Adam Angel [00:08:17]: So right around Covid hit, this was a really hard obviously for so many people. And we. She was four and she was three and a half and. Or three and a few months. And my son was just being born, which was crazy, 10 days in. And that was really hard moment. And I think of it as maybe the hardest moment for her and having to not let her go back to her pre K which was such a great place and so like everything from there and before that. But I've just like understood that, you know, there is just when you can't do something, you have to grieve with your kids sometimes. Adam Angel [00:08:51]: And at that time I think I was just not equipped with the level of connection to myself and open heartedness for my own grief of what was happening. And I remember she held for a little bit a lot of shame at that time because I was like, you can't go to school. And she was like basically telling Me, oh, I'm going to school. I mean, she fought me like it was the. I was the worst thing in the world and I was breaking my heart. I remember she, I think she bit me like that. She had never bitten me before, but she felt like that was very bad about that. But I told her, like, that's what, first of all, that's what, you know, she. Adam Angel [00:09:23]: Even years later, that's what kids do and we work through it. And I wasn't shaming her for that. And at some point, you know, sort of as she got older, she and many kids, you know, can hold shame around what they do or how they feel and so on, and just making it more and more open by having these conversations, especially while driving at night in these moments of like, intimacy and just being honest about how it was hard for me and what was hard for me and how I'm open to whatever is going on for her. And so it's been wonderful to sort of be able to be that person for her. And I've grown and learned so much from her about my necessity of being open hearted and willing to not just be wrong, but just like be able to learn from her, but also to grieve, as I said, with her or struggle through something with her. And I think that honesty, you know, doesn't mean that I'm giving up my authority and my, you know, being able to tell her, hey, this is what we need to do. Sometimes it just means that there's a softness that's available to her. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:10:24]: And your daughter's getting older, not yet a preteen. We're getting close into those tween years. How have you found that you are balancing guiding your daughter while still giving her that independence to grow into the person that she's becoming? Adam Angel [00:10:39]: I had a moment where my wife and I keep having this conversation over and over. Like, there's some friends that have phones and then I've told her she's not having a phone and I'm not giving her any data when she will. Like, it's just not on the table and I've told her why. And then at one point she was really, you know, pushing and I said, okay, I'm gonna explain again. And I gave her like in depth about how this either essentially she's could be connected to many things that actually might scare her that people that I don't know, there's no checks and so on. And you know, that's a bit high, high level for a nine year old. But she understood to some degree and Then that same day I said, you know, I wanted me and my wife and I talking about it, but I just decided to go for it because I wasn't necessarily comfortable with it. But I was thinking this is the opposite way, to provide some opportunity for her to have freedom. Adam Angel [00:11:32]: And I sent her out with her brother without us on bikes. So he's six, she's nine. And I feel that she's much more, even much more responsible, more than she already is, especially when he's around and she's in charge. I think that's useful. Then it's just like, guys go. And she like looked at me like, are you serious? And I'm like, I was like, this is the way that you can go and explore as opposed to on the phone. And I'm not going to come with you. I'll be, I'll be out there in 30 minutes or something. Adam Angel [00:11:58]: And I told her the perimeter, which was about a mile, we have like a park not too far from us, like a, both a school park and a community park. It's a good amount of green, plus sidewalks. You know, she doesn't have to cross many streets at all. And I said, told her she knows the route. Go, that's where you can go. And I went out there 30 minutes later when my wife was like, can you go right? And I'm like, okay. And when I went out there and they were fine, they were fine. But I just like trying to juxtapose those two for her and for me, because it was hard, you know, it's, it's, it's worrisome, but it was fine. Adam Angel [00:12:31]: It was totally fine. And I hope that it will continue to be fine when I send her out every day. So to kind of trust the people that we put her in hands, including Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:12:39]: her own, you know, that brings up so much. I mean, and I think back to my own childhood and the way in which I was really a free range child in the sense that in my generation, I think our parents were like, yeah, go outside, go and come back. You need to be back by this time and we'll see you later. We didn't have phones, we didn't have any of that. But, but I think that there definitely is a difference in the way in which we are. There's a fear in a lot of parents to do that in the safety of our kids and, and whether we should be doing that. And there's some reality to that as well. And I guess one thing that comes to mind as I hear you say that is that you're providing your daughter with the ability for her to see that you trust her and that you are listening to her and that you want her to feel valued, heard, and also that you trust her to make good decisions. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:13:32]: And I guess as you think about that, what are some of the things that you're doing intentionally to make your daughter feel valued and heard? Adam Angel [00:13:40]: These are day to day things as opposed to like the big story. It's like I thinking about having conversations about her friendships, little things, these conflicts that seemingly we would might say like what's really this about this is not important or whatever but. But they're very important. These are conversations about being enough, knowing that you're, you're okay to be different, to set it something as simple as she likes fashion set a trend as opposed to having to follow other people rebutting people or the boys in her class are like characterizing all girls in one way or mistreating her another classmate is so just hearing the story and being like, you know, that's asking her how she feels about it, what maybe her frustration with it or and so on and then, and then pushing her to know that she's okay regardless of others view of her, that it's most important, it's her own view. And that can seem trite, but it really is so central to her experience because that's a lot of our hours of her day are with peers. And we make a point, my wife and I make a point of when we're together, we're together and like being connected, connected to them and like we do a lot of camping. So now she wears that and I bring that into the situation because I think that gives us space to be connected in a different way and have like her voice heard around different topics and just being with it and not so peer oriented because so much of her life can be because of school. And so like you know, it doesn't mean they don't do play dates. Adam Angel [00:15:06]: There'd be plenty of that and so on, but just kind of coming back to it and helping her understand herself and how she really feels and so she can rebut other people's ideas around her with her own. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:15:18]: I love that now none of us as dads are infallible. We're humans, we make mistakes. What's a mistake that you've made as a father and what did you learn from it about fostering positive communication? Adam Angel [00:15:31]: Maybe it's good to use the day to day so that it feels more normal for people that are hearing it. Because I think when there's moments where I move to anger, you know, with either one of the kids and sometimes or misunderstand because I made a judgment and about what they were doing and so on, or how they were speaking or so and so forth, it's like, essentially what I'm doing is the opposite of what I just talked about, which is that I'm not waiting to listen. I'm not seeing my daughter as. There's an idea in, like, the psychotherapy world that we. That I, like, trained in, this is my. As my profession, that we can see others at times and different moments as objects in our life as opposed to subjects in our shared life. And I think essentially objectify her. I see her as like, okay, she's just someone in my life, and I can just say or do what I please. Adam Angel [00:16:19]: And like, it doesn't. Again, doesn't mean that I can't have my authority of being okay, like, I'm the adult here. But it does mean that in those moments when I made mistakes and I think that they're frequent enough and I can say, like, these moments, I just sort of like, this is how I. What I want to happen, and it's not happening the way I want it to happen. And so how I characterize this, essentially, many times we have a parallel process between our kids and us. And like, in these moments, I'm like, I don't want this. I want this to work this way. And she's like, well, I want us to have this. Adam Angel [00:16:49]: And essentially we're both having an experience of wanting something and then not be able to get what we want and then having a tantrum of, like, loss around it. Right? Like, I want this. And really what we both need to do on some level, and us first being the adult, is to accept that this is. May not going to work the way we wanted it to. And that sucks maybe for us, depending on situation. And then we can be with their grief if it's not working out for them either. Or maybe we're able to accommodate a certain situation. But the point is, is that there are a number of these mistakes. Adam Angel [00:17:21]: I don't think it's useful just say one big one. I think those happen frequent enough where I just like, oh, yeah, right. I just may not get what I want here. So. And then I maybe act out on my. My daughter by saying, you need to do this or you this. And maybe it comes out in anger. So. Adam Angel [00:17:35]: And I have to come back and apologize and then say, like, I didn't see you in that moment. Or that was hard for me too. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:17:40]: And what's one way that you show your daughter that she can always count on you? Adam Angel [00:17:44]: This is a do not say type of thing. Just showing up and being there. Basketball games, those are the more regular big moments. And then the other ones are like putting her to bed, getting her up in the morning, taking her to school. I think just like the regularity, the frequency, the explanations when you can't, showing that you've been thinking about them, willingness to listen to them first, I think knowing when I'm going to be there for you, and so on. I think also, like, maybe moments with others where other people are objectifying your kids and you're like, no, I'm on your side. And it doesn't mean that. Again, like, I'm like, you need to be respectful of your teachers, for example. Adam Angel [00:18:19]: But if the teacher is acting out on your kid in the sense that they're not seeing them as a whole person and they're just kind of treating them, again, like just whoever there will step in and have a conversation with them. But again, I'm also talking like a student conversation today. She may struggle with a particular class. And I ask her, like, is this. Is there anything in this that you could do for yourself to improve the situation? Because, like, it seems like maybe you could have done something here, but it doesn't mean that you're not wrong if you're in your protest. And I got you, I'm on your side here, but, like, look at your side a little bit too. So I'm holding both lenses and. But I think she knows that I'm coming from a place ultimately that I have her back. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:19:01]: And what's the tradition or routine that you've created together that strengthens your bond? Adam Angel [00:19:07]: There was a period of time that was quite hard when she was younger, where it was she. She went to a different school first. And I like, my funny story was that she's like, went to a school and then she went into like, the public school. And it was really. She really struggled with it. And I said, I told her, like, if you want to go somewhere else, she said, what she said is, they don't know how to teach. She's like five telling me this, like, six weeks into her school. I'm like, oh, my God, this is crazy. Adam Angel [00:19:39]: So then I'm like, but I think there's. What she's saying was, I don't want to sit and do worksheets. That's what she's saying. I don't blame her. So Anyway, we ended up trying a different school. But I told her, if you really want to do that, you have to go and do these like tours and stuff. And she did it. So we ended up going somewhere else. Adam Angel [00:19:55]: But during that period of time, you know, at the other school, I started this tradition. I took off work on a particular day early. And so when I picked her up on Mondays, we would go just one on one and pick a place and have a smoothie or something. And then we don't do that every week now like we did, but we do do something else now. For example, right now we're Wednesdays, we go to Jiu Jitsu. Right? That's what we're going to do now. But before was did a practice a day that we did practice basketball one on one. And I do that with my son too. Adam Angel [00:20:24]: Like just making that one on one time. And like, this is just for you, me and you connect. But especially when you realize it's like a season for challenge. Like, more like this month has been really struggling. The intervention is almost always best. Intervention is one on one time and making sure they know that you're putting them first. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:20:40]: So I mentioned the fact that you have a site called Dads with Wisdom. And one of the things that I wanted to kind of first start with is that not everybody knows what that is. They may never have heard of it. So bring me back to the beginning and talk to me about the inception of Dads with Wisdom and why did you decide that you needed something like Dads with Wisdom and that other dads needed something like Dads with Wisdom? Adam Angel [00:21:07]: Yeah. So my son was born 10 days after Covid. We went home. The doctor said nobody can come and visit for like 60 days. We happen to live near our family on both sides. We were like, why did we do this? Now it's like, this sucks. So we're just all alone and just really struggling. I was in the nonprofit world before I went to private practice. Adam Angel [00:21:25]: And that was a lot to. And it was there I kind of like decided that just like I'm gonna go and go leave my job and took some time to do it. But then I had more time with my son and that process. I was thinking, oh man, this has got to be a really hard time for fathers. And what came next is I reached out to a few people in my area, Washington, D.C. area, just like practitioners that are also private practice. Like anyone running a group for dads. And nobody was. Adam Angel [00:21:51]: There was one person who was a woman who's who ran at one time and, and I had a nice conversation with her about how she did that. Then I put out emails around it and I got like a ton of responses, but all of them from women, mostly practitioners and many wives asking for this to work. And I was like, okay, I'm not messaging this well or to the right audiences. So I spent some time, created this website and I got in touch with a local called the Breastfeeding center of Greater Washington. And it's basically like they do classes for mostly moms and couples, but nothing for dads. And so I, you know, we had a good conversation about it. I essentially became like a partner affiliation and we started running them and then it filled up very quickly and I don't charge that much for these group. And it's 10 sessions. Adam Angel [00:22:40]: I just read all I could read in terms of books and et cetera. And then I just created like this semi structured group where I like, I didn't know what I was doing. I was like, I think this is like a little bit after this. I was talking to you about this not too much longer after. And what I was doing when I knew enough, what I didn't know was like, what do men really want? Because I think they were telling me one thing and maybe they wanted something slightly different. But I was like, maybe more emphasizing the topics and such and like kind of like the educational sort of aspect. And then I, I think what really they wanted was a space to discuss this stuff. And it was good to have those topics and structure, but also really important to stay attuned to what they really were wanting that day. Adam Angel [00:23:20]: And so what I've come to do is like those 10 sessions still exist. I still have those about three times a year. So that's 30 weeks of the year. And these guys are basically getting more space before at the beginning and the end of these sessions to kind of just say what's going on for them, but also getting some topic based discussion and also like if they want resources, different topics of new parenthood. These are all for fathers that are first time fathers and new kids. And maybe we meet one time in person now as well. The rest are virtual because I have guys coming from Baltimore all the way to like Virginia Beach. So those are the three areas of my licensing. Adam Angel [00:23:58]: But you know, I even have guys sometimes come from outside of the area because this is not really therapy. This is not therapy. It's like peer based support. So that's what propelled me to do it and how it started. And now it's like what surprised me with all These groups that are now actually what would be called psychotherapy groups. And I have multiple of these running and there's six or so guys in each one and they love it. And I'm better at it than I was five years by a lot. I think a lot of it is my own internal growth. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:24:27]: And then sometimes there's a stigma to being in a group of individuals talking about things that make you vulnerable in that way. So for a dad who's hesitant to join something that's like this, what would you say to help him take that first step? Adam Angel [00:24:41]: Well, first of all, I usually send them a podcast. Sometimes it's the best way to get and just to receive it as opposed to having to read. I think normalization obviously is the biggest one. Right. It's like we all go through this. It's. And I think when having somebody else that's going through the exact same thing or very similar at the exact same time is just worth so much. And that's even before I add anything. Adam Angel [00:25:04]: Right. It's just that. And so just I always tell people like, hey, the kind of person that would be in this group is someone like you, who also is thinking, I don't know if this works out for me. But I think this person's committed to being a better father and a better partner maybe and a better. And so on. So that's who's going to be there. And when you go there, it's got its own process. So you don't have to jump right in. Adam Angel [00:25:25]: You may. And many times these people do. And so it really depends on the kind of group. But I think that's why I like talk to people for like 15 minutes before trying to maybe longer, 20 minutes, 30 minutes just to see like, what do you really want here? And people have come and gone in the groups and actually gone to different groups. So like I do like an hour for right before birth for free for people if they want to just like think about how they're feeling and like prepare for what will happen at the birth and then like the first days of postpartum experience. So like that's like a free hour. Then people then tend to sign up for the 10 week new dads and then many times a little later, these, they're men that just like, hey, I just want a more depth oriented conversation with other guys. And that's the sort of dads 2.0 groups that we're doing. Adam Angel [00:26:07]: I've been creating some other groups as well, dads that have lost in like, you know, early infancy or in late pregnancy. I have group for them and also for them if they're parenting after that loss and like, you know, so they can have a space for being which, which has its own unique thing things to it. So I would say to them like, they're like you. And there's, there's this huge value in having that. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:26:29]: There truly is value in that. And I think it is important to be able to put yourself out there and be able to. And I've said this before, to be vulnerable not only with other men, but with your kids in many different ways. I guess as you look at the groups that you've created, the ability for people to come together, what's one story, and I'm not asking you to break confidentiality, that really captures the impact that you've seen for dads that have taken part in these groups. Adam Angel [00:26:58]: This happened yesterday, I'm not kidding in this sweet group. This like conversation was just very. This is a dad's 2.0 group and the dad was talking about one dad was basically struggling as newer to the group. I am not the preferred parent. It's really hard for me. I'm not sure, you know, sort of essentially the level of I'm not at the level of connection I would like with my kids. And other guys were like, first of all, this is a normal pattern that goes up and down. Sometimes times you preferred, sometimes you're not. Adam Angel [00:27:25]: And this guy basically said like. I don't think he was trying to speak about his, the impact, but I think it was obvious to me. He was like, basically in the last six months that he's been in the group for about a year and some. And he said I'm the preferred person parent. And I used to get, you know, essentially like overwhelmed and dealing with my kids. And I would essentially, I don't know his reactions to that, but ultimately now they come to me. They're all over me all the time. And that's hard, but it's a lot better, it's a lot different than it was where they didn't know that I was kind of like that connection and depth of relationship just wasn't where it is now. Adam Angel [00:28:02]: So that's one that just came to me off the top of my head. But I was just like, just appreciating how much he cares, how much he's worked to be that for his kids. And that took a lot of reflection and self determination. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:28:17]: So one of the other things that comes to mind when I was thinking about this was when we're talking about Vulnerability and men being willing to connect with other men. Why do you think it's so hard for men to build authentic community and, and how does that impact their parenting or their ability to be the father that they want to be. Adam Angel [00:28:39]: Yeah, actually that. To bring this up when in previous answer. So I appreciate you asking it because I think that's also how I sometimes. So the group I said like, I mean, people tell me and you can tell me if it's true. For years I'll say to someone that they have close friends, but they still don't have these kind of conversations they need to have where they can actually say what they're really feeling around life, parenting and their experience as a husband after kids and so on and so forth. And usually the guys will not be like, yeah, I have close friends, or I don't really have this kind of relationship with friends, but I still can't have this conversation. And the guys will say like, especially when they're leaving. And like, I have them like, kind of like just people like say really kind things to them as if someone's leading a group or something and the dad's 2.0. Adam Angel [00:29:20]: And they'll say something like that, like, like this has been a different place where I can actually say like, hey, you know, today I didn't feel like wanting to be a parent. I just, I was mad about being a dad and I didn't like it. I don't want to be like. And that's a really hard thing to say. If I say that somewhere else, someone's going to judge me. And all the other guys in the group, like, not usually we know what you're talking about. Because they also know that they're committed. Just because they're having a protest has nothing to do with their love. Adam Angel [00:29:42]: Those two are not incongruent. And so just naming the frustration and difficulty has nothing to do with the level of care and knowing that the people around you are not going to judge you and know that that is what vulnerability is. I had this wonderful quote from my. One of my mentors in my training institute that I do on a regular basis. And he says there's a difference between transparency and vulnerability, but only you will know it because it's an internal experience. I can be transparent with you, Chris, and I can also, I can tell you about my life, but if I don't feel the vulnerability, then it's not vulnerable. And usually the vulnerability requires a little bit of worry that this could be harmful to me if you use this against. And that Fear that around that is like, that's actually. Adam Angel [00:30:29]: Well, we of course can explore it. But the bottom line is that's a risk and you're taking it. And you're taking it. Your willingness to take it is its own bond between the guys. And everyone knows it when you're doing it. You know it first and they know it usually second. And so that's been something that I've actually said as a part of our conversations and times with the guys. And there's a good response to that. Adam Angel [00:30:51]: And they're able to engage in another level of vulnerability. So I don't know if I answered all the question if it was like why it's hard. I think is like. I think the answer is that it's scary and that we've been hurt in a lot of ways to taught not to do that. That's the real world. Like. And you shouldn't be vulnerable to every single person because it can be. There are people that have unfortunately not the best intentions but. Adam Angel [00:31:12]: But there are plenty that you can. And you can navigate that by just by figuring it out as you go through the relationship. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:31:18]: When I think some of that goes back to trauma in regards to what individuals have experienced in their own life. And there's many men that have generational trauma or patterns that they experienced growing up. And I'm sure you've seen that in groups in different ways. How would you say that dads can begin to break those cycles for themselves? Adam Angel [00:31:40]: Yeah, I mean this is my work. So like when I'm not doing groups, I'm doing individual therapy. And my focus of training has been in complex trauma. And what that really means essentially is we adjust ourselves as all people do. And even when we're wonderful dads that we are, Chris, our kids, we're not going to be perfect for them and therefore they will have to adjust. And there's. It just is part of life. And that adjustment means that we're going to create strategies to protect ourselves. Adam Angel [00:32:03]: And we had to do that as kids. And so when I work with people individually and in the group, we notice what they're really wanting for themselves, which is this intention that we're going to state together. So for example, I would like to have greater self confidence or some state or experience in myself or maybe I want to have more capacity to be vulnerable. But that is where we're coming from, from the adult side of what we want. Now when we are engaged in relationships, it's very easy to fall into the strategies that worked for us at one point. Or at least attempted to work for us as a young person in a life where we don't have any agency as a child, you don't. Ultimately you're worried about your, the people that care for you, caregivers and the culture around you. And it has rules. Adam Angel [00:32:47]: And you realize those rules. You're very quick to learn that as a kid until you keep yourself safe through this process. And those strategies, they need to be confronted and addressed. And the way that you do that is by sitting with someone else who cares and has, can support you. And when you do that, working out, for example, in therapy, you get something where you can notice with the person, deepen into the emotions of what has happened, but more importantly, what's coming up for you now and how you might be allowing in these same things. And I see that allowing with a lot of compassion doesn't mean we're intentionally doing it, but allowing in old strategies which are determining things in your life you no longer want. And when you can be that with that, with that, in this kind of process, we can interrupt generational, cultural, all the things trauma that you've been through. And again, I'm using that word lightly because I know sometimes people talk about trauma, but it's, it's just your experiences or you were limited to what you could do and be and who you could be. Adam Angel [00:33:47]: And we're trying to just say if you want to be something else, you can, but you gotta address it and be with it. And you have to do it with someone who also has this and other people and in the group, other people that are committed to doing the same. So that that's where the growth can happen. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:34:01]: Now if people want to find out more about dads with wisdom, where should they go? Adam Angel [00:34:05]: Yeah, so website is dadswithwisdom.com and that's where the groups are mostly. And if there's anyone who's experienced loss in parenting, you know, early life, you know, early pregnancy or late pregnancy loss, I do those groups too. But I keep that off the website and go to Adamodulotherapy.com for. That's for the individual work and also therapy group. Because I just, it can be really intense for someone who's lost to see those pictures of babies that are sort of on the Dads of Wisdom website. I also am doing a retreat in the fall. It's the first time I've ever done that. And this is sort of listening. Adam Angel [00:34:38]: I went to a men's retreat myself, was profound and very thoughtful, pushed me further. And so I was like you know, I could do this. So I'm going to be doing something in the Shenandoah area and it's going to be exciting. So that's also happening now. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:34:52]: I always finish our interviews with what I like to call our dad connection. 6. Six more questions to delve a little bit more into you as a dad. Are you ready? I don't know. What's one word that describes your relationship with your daughter? Adam Angel [00:35:04]: Maybe an easy one. Loving, caring, Something like that. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:35:07]: What's the best piece of dad advice you've ever received? Adam Angel [00:35:11]: I'm not sure if it's the best, but it's true. This too shall pass. It'll change again. It's okay. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:35:17]: What's one activity that you and your daughter love doing together? Adam Angel [00:35:20]: Sometimes it's just sitting and having a nice snack at this, like, particular place that we like, have like good little drinks and we just kind of like look out the window. We have a good conversation. So I think that's one of the big ones. I think I mentioned other, other ones earlier. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:35:33]: If you could give your daughter one life lesson in a single sentence, what would it be? Adam Angel [00:35:38]: You're enough. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:35:39]: What's one thing that you've learned about yourself since becoming a dad? Adam Angel [00:35:42]: I want to be silly with it and say I'm enough. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:35:46]: And what advice would you give to other dads who want to build a lasting and meaningful relationship with their daughters? Adam Angel [00:35:54]: I think what we're talking about here is obviously don't give up stuff. You're going to be okay. All these things that we're just mentioning. But you need, you need. If you want to be a rock, you need a mountain, you need and to sit on. And I think that's. That's the men that can support you. And so you doing it alone is. Adam Angel [00:36:10]: It's the start to do not really possible in the same way or it's going to be really detrimental to do it. So you need to be the person that you want to be, the dad that you want to be. You need other men to support you. You'll get where you want to be that way much easier. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:36:24]: Well, Adam, I just want to say thank you. Thank you so much for being here today for the work that you're doing with dads with wisdom and for sharing the journey that you've been on with your daughter up till now. It's still keep going to keep going, and you're going to keep learning and it's going to be an amazing journey along the way. But I truly want to say thank you for being here and I wish you all the best. Adam Angel [00:36:44]: Thank you so much for having me. Appreciate it. Dr. Christopher Lewis [00:36:46]: That's a wrap for this episode of the dad and Daughter Connection. Thanks for joining us on this journey to build stronger bonds and raise confident, independent daughters. Remember, being an engaged, engaged dad isn't about being perfect. It's about being present. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and share it with a fellow dad. And don't forget, you can find all our episodes@dadanddaughterconnection.com until next time, keep showing up, keep connecting, and keep being the dad she needs. Musical Performer [00:37:17]: We're all in the same boat and it's full of tiny screaming passengers we spend the time we give the lessons we make the meals we buy them presents and bring your A game Cause those kids are growing fast the time goes by by just like a dynamite blast Calling astronauts and firemen Carpenters and muscle men get out and be the world to them Be the best dad you can be Be the best dad you can be.

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