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The 4AM Routine That Built a 9-Figure Portfolio with Joshua Mettle

1 h 24 min · 18. maj 2026
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Send us Fan Mail [https://www.buzzsprout.com/2401224/fan_mail/new] What separates top producers from everyone else—and why do so many loan officers stay stuck? In this episode of The Way with Dino Katsiametis, Dino sits down with Josh Mettle, a 25+ year mortgage veteran who built a 9-figure real estate portfolio and a highly scalable lending business. Josh breaks down the real drivers of success and it’s not what most people think. From waking up at 4AM to mastering outbound calls, building teams, and creating leverage through marketing, this episode is a blueprint for anyone serious about growth. You’ll learn why success is attracted not chased, and how your daily habits, mindset, and discipline determine your future outcomes.  👉 If you’re stuck, burned out, or inconsistent—this episode will challenge how you think and operate. 🔑 KEY TAKEAWAYS & BULLET POINTS • Why “doing the work” still beats technology and marketing hacks • The exact daily routine (4AM–Noon) that drives consistent production • How 2–3 hours of outbound calls can outperform everything else • The difference between working IN your business vs ON your business • Why most loan officers stay stuck in the feast-or-famine cycle • How to know when it’s time to hire and build a team • The biggest mistake originators make when scaling • Why niche marketing (like physician loans) creates massive leverage • The mindset shift: “You are at cause, not at effect” • How to turn income into long-term wealth through real estate investing • The simple financial formula wealthy people follow: → Income – Savings = Spending • Why burnout happens—and how to fix it with structure and routines • The truth about balance, family, and long-term fulfillment • How to rebuild from zero (including Josh’s $1M restart strategy) Thanks for listening to "The Way With Dino Katsiametis"    For full show notes, links, and extra episode resources, visit dinokatsiametis.com [https://www.dinokatsiametis.com/]. Follow Dino for weekly clips and mortgage leadership insights on instagram.com/dinokatsiametis [https://www.instagram.com/dinokatsiametis/] | linkedin.com/in/dinokatsiametis [https://www.linkedin.com/in/dinokatsiametis/] Learn more about Ethos Lending at ethoslending.com [https://www.ethoslending.com/].

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