Cayendo en Rabbit Holes

Episode #20: Elisa — A Polyglot's Guide to Learning Languages | Intermediate Spanish Conversation

40 min · 18. touko 2026
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Elisa speaks five languages — German, English, French, Spanish, and Dutch — and is studying Korean on the side. She's lived in Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Mexico, and now Canada. And when Roberto first heard her speak Spanish, he didn't think she was German at all. So what's her secret? In this week's rabbit hole, Rui meets Elisa for the first time and the three of them dig into what actually works (and what definitely doesn't) when you're trying to learn a language from scratch. In this episode of Cayendo en Rabbit Holes, Rui (intermediate Spanish learner) and Roberto (native Spanish teacher) are joined by Elisa, a German polyglot living in Montreal. She shares the unusual trick that keeps her languages from blurring together — treating each one like a different muscle that needs its own rest day — and explains why she lived in Aguascalientes for seven months to break through her speaking block. Along the way: Roberto's metaphor trick for getting unstuck mid-sentence, the simple words formal classes never teach you (Elisa didn't learn "pájaro" until she saw a Botero statue), why Duolingo alone won't get you fluent, and a story about lucha libre that ends with Elisa playing emergency-room translator. A reminder that progress in a language is never linear — and that patience matters more than talent. 🎧 Listen on other platforms: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ [https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665] 📝 Annotated scripts with error tracking and vocabulary notes: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles [https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles] 👨‍🏫 Take lessons with Roberto: italki: https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish [https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor [https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor] 📱 Follow us: TikTok: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles Instagram: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles — Cayendo en Rabbit Holes is a Spanish conversation podcast for intermediate and advanced learners. Every episode features real, unscripted conversation between a learner and a native speaker. Mistakes are left in — because that's how real communication works. #SpanishPodcast #IntermediateSpanish #LearnSpanish #ComprehensibleInput #SpanishConversation #LanguageLearning

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jakson Episode #24: Unboxing Videos & Why Experts See What We Can't | Intermediate Spanish Conversation kansikuva

Episode #24: Unboxing Videos & Why Experts See What We Can't | Intermediate Spanish Conversation

A barista hands Rui a coffee and tells him it tastes like a strawberry Pop-Tart. Rui is skeptical — there's no way this is going to taste like a strawberry Pop-Tart — but he tries it, and… she's not wrong. Why do experts get to use words that don't seem to belong, and how come they're usually right? In this week's rabbit hole, Rui and Roberto start with the strange world of unboxing videos and end up somewhere bigger: intuition, flow, and what 10,000 hours of doing anything actually buys you. Plus, Rui shares some big personal news — he just landed a new job and is moving to Boston in six weeks. In this episode of Cayendo en Rabbit Holes, Rui (intermediate Spanish learner) and Roberto (native Spanish teacher) pick apart why people watch other people open boxes on the internet, and where the line is between honest review and "paid collaboration." They cover micro-influencers as a more precise marketing tool than Taylor Swift, why Marques Brownlee's "they sent it for free but they're not paying me" disclaimer matters, and how the best unboxing videos sneak in something poetic — like the Ferrari F80 reviewer who said pushing the car to its limits is "signing a contract with physics and hoping it doesn't read the fine print." From there they get into the bigger question: why do musicians describe a sound as "shinier," chefs call a flavor "nostalgic," and Roberto's dad teach him that riding a motorcycle requires "not fear, but a little paranoia"? Roberto and Rui land on the same answer — that real expertise feels like intuition, and that intuition is just thousands of hours of pattern recognition the rest of us never put in. 🎧 Listen on other platforms: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ [https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665] 📝 Annotated scripts with error tracking and vocabulary notes: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles [https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles] 👨‍🏫 Take lessons with Roberto: italki: https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish [https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor [https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor] 📱 Follow us: TikTok: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles Instagram: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles — Cayendo en Rabbit Holes is a Spanish conversation podcast for intermediate and advanced learners. Every episode features real, unscripted conversation between a learner and a native speaker. Mistakes are left in — because that's how real communication works. #SpanishPodcast #IntermediateSpanish #LearnSpanish #ComprehensibleInput #SpanishConversation #LanguageLearning

15. kesä 202645 min
jakson Episode #23: Why The Best Nights Are The Ones You Didn't Plan | Intermediate Spanish Conversation kansikuva

Episode #23: Why The Best Nights Are The Ones You Didn't Plan | Intermediate Spanish Conversation

Roberto goes to the mall by himself on a Sunday — eats sushi, watches a mediocre movie, sends a friend a random text on the way out. By the end of the night he's bar-hopping with two friends, eating tacos at midnight, and laughing harder than he has in weeks. None of it was planned. And Roberto, by his own admission, is a planner. In this week's rabbit hole, Rui and Roberto try to figure out why the unplanned nights so often turn out to be the best ones — and where the line is when spontaneity starts to mess with the rest of your life. In this episode of Cayendo en Rabbit Holes, Rui (intermediate Spanish learner) and Roberto (native Spanish teacher) compare notes as two self-described planners. Roberto talks about organizing his 40th birthday yacht party a month and a half in advance while his younger friends kept telling him to chill, and then walks through the chain of small decisions that turned his quiet Sunday into a three-stop night out with friends from three different generations (40, 30, and 23 — basically the Ghosts of Spontaneous Plans Past, Present, and Future). They land on the same rule for when spontaneity becomes a problem: the moment it disrupts the rhythm that holds your real life together. Plus: Roberto's old habit of keeping a "spontaneity kit" (fresh clothes, toothbrush, deodorant) in his car at twenty, why FOMO hits harder when you're young, and Rui's weekly food-tracking discipline that gives him the weekend off — a small case study in why balance beats discipline alone. 🎧 Listen on other platforms: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ [https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665] 📝 Annotated scripts with error tracking and vocabulary notes: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles [https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles] 👨‍🏫 Take lessons with Roberto: italki: https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish [https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor [https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor] 📱 Follow us: TikTok: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles Instagram: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles — Cayendo en Rabbit Holes is a Spanish conversation podcast for intermediate and advanced learners. Every episode features real, unscripted conversation between a learner and a native speaker. Mistakes are left in — because that's how real communication works. #SpanishPodcast #IntermediateSpanish #LearnSpanish #ComprehensibleInput #SpanishConversation #LanguageLearning

8. kesä 202643 min
jakson Episode #22: Pop Culture, Cringey Old Emails & Why Easy Tech Always Wins | Intermediate Spanish kansikuva

Episode #22: Pop Culture, Cringey Old Emails & Why Easy Tech Always Wins | Intermediate Spanish

Roberto's first email was named after a 1973 Mustang nobody his age recognized. Rui's was a crude reference to an obscure college football player nobody would recognize either. Both of them were dead convinced they had the coolest email address on the planet. In this week's rabbit hole, Rui and Roberto take a generational lap through pop culture — what used to be cool, what tech actually wins, and what the kids of today are never going to understand. In this episode of Cayendo en Rabbit Holes, Rui (intermediate Spanish learner) and Roberto (native Spanish teacher) compare notes across a 13-year age gap. They reminisce about Blockbuster as the original date night, why Hugh Hefner playing Pac-Man for hours was peak '80s celebrity content, and how the Hotmail-vs-Yahoo divide actually mapped to geography (Mexican friends had Hotmail, Roberto's American friends had Yahoo). They land on a bigger idea — that in tech, easy always beats configurable. MySpace let you tweak your profile with Java; Facebook didn't, and Facebook won. Android does more; iPhone wins because there's no friction. Plus: Roberto's "vampire problem" (his Apple ID is locked to a Hotmail account that no longer exists), why stand-up comedy is a near-perfect time capsule of the era it was made in, and Roberto's polite but real disappointment with his new AirPods. 🎧 Listen on other platforms: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ [https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665] 📝 Annotated scripts with error tracking and vocabulary notes: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles [https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles] 👨‍🏫 Take lessons with Roberto: italki: https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish [https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor [https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor] 📱 Follow us: TikTok: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles Instagram: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles — Cayendo en Rabbit Holes is a Spanish conversation podcast for intermediate and advanced learners. Every episode features real, unscripted conversation between a learner and a native speaker. Mistakes are left in — because that's how real communication works. #SpanishPodcast #IntermediateSpanish #LearnSpanish #ComprehensibleInput #SpanishConversation #LanguageLearning

1. kesä 202645 min
jakson Episode #21: Coincidences, Luck & How to Create Your Own | Intermediate Spanish Conversation kansikuva

Episode #21: Coincidences, Luck & How to Create Your Own | Intermediate Spanish Conversation

Rui blows a tire on his birthday in a sketchy part of town and somehow coasts to a stop in the parking lot of the only tire shop within miles — closed, but with a stranger standing outside who fixes it for ten dollars so he can still make his golf tee time. A miracle? A gift from the universe? Or just statistics doing what statistics do? In this week's rabbit hole, Rui and Roberto pull apart what coincidences really are, and whether you can do something about them. In this episode of Cayendo en Rabbit Holes, Rui (intermediate Spanish learner) and Roberto (native Spanish teacher) trade the mystical and the statistical takes on luck — and end up agreeing that even a fully logical brain can't help feeling a little awe when the math lines up. Roberto tells the story of how he met his first friend in Mazatlán through a cascade of coincidences (their dogs hit it off, she turned out to be from his hometown in Chihuahua, her parents live blocks from his), and explains why he thinks you can engineer your own luck by changing where you live and how you spend your time. Along the way: a finance professor's "if an investment feels exciting, you're doing it wrong" rule, Rui's "expected value" framework for trusting the process over the result, and why religious, emotional, and logical people each handle the gap between effort and outcome in completely different ways. 🎧 Listen on other platforms: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ [https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665] 📝 Annotated scripts with error tracking and vocabulary notes: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles [https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles] 👨‍🏫 Take lessons with Roberto: italki: https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish [https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor [https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor] 📱 Follow us: TikTok: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles Instagram: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles — Cayendo en Rabbit Holes is a Spanish conversation podcast for intermediate and advanced learners. Every episode features real, unscripted conversation between a learner and a native speaker. Mistakes are left in — because that's how real communication works. #SpanishPodcast #IntermediateSpanish #LearnSpanish #ComprehensibleInput #SpanishConversation #LanguageLearning

25. touko 202641 min
jakson Episode #20: Elisa — A Polyglot's Guide to Learning Languages | Intermediate Spanish Conversation kansikuva

Episode #20: Elisa — A Polyglot's Guide to Learning Languages | Intermediate Spanish Conversation

Elisa speaks five languages — German, English, French, Spanish, and Dutch — and is studying Korean on the side. She's lived in Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Mexico, and now Canada. And when Roberto first heard her speak Spanish, he didn't think she was German at all. So what's her secret? In this week's rabbit hole, Rui meets Elisa for the first time and the three of them dig into what actually works (and what definitely doesn't) when you're trying to learn a language from scratch. In this episode of Cayendo en Rabbit Holes, Rui (intermediate Spanish learner) and Roberto (native Spanish teacher) are joined by Elisa, a German polyglot living in Montreal. She shares the unusual trick that keeps her languages from blurring together — treating each one like a different muscle that needs its own rest day — and explains why she lived in Aguascalientes for seven months to break through her speaking block. Along the way: Roberto's metaphor trick for getting unstuck mid-sentence, the simple words formal classes never teach you (Elisa didn't learn "pájaro" until she saw a Botero statue), why Duolingo alone won't get you fluent, and a story about lucha libre that ends with Elisa playing emergency-room translator. A reminder that progress in a language is never linear — and that patience matters more than talent. 🎧 Listen on other platforms: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ [https://open.spotify.com/show/6kqxHxyZbyK00qPxB3NIGJ] Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/cayendo-en-rabbit-holes/id1866466665] 📝 Annotated scripts with error tracking and vocabulary notes: Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles [https://www.patreon.com/c/CayendoenRabbitHoles] 👨‍🏫 Take lessons with Roberto: italki: https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish [https://www.italki.com/en/i/reft/Aa6HHec/bFBHdH/spanish] Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor [https://www.instagram.com/robelprofesor] 📱 Follow us: TikTok: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles Instagram: @CayendoEnRabbitHoles — Cayendo en Rabbit Holes is a Spanish conversation podcast for intermediate and advanced learners. Every episode features real, unscripted conversation between a learner and a native speaker. Mistakes are left in — because that's how real communication works. #SpanishPodcast #IntermediateSpanish #LearnSpanish #ComprehensibleInput #SpanishConversation #LanguageLearning

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