Who Were You Before the World Told You Who to Be?
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Episode Show Notes
When you think of the Enneagram, you probably think of phrases like, “I’m such a 7,” or “That’s so Enneagram 8 of me.”
But what if the Enneagram was less about labeling yourself and more about learning how to notice your patterns with a little more honesty, kindness, and compassion?
In this episode of Get Mom Ready, Holly, Meredith, and Anna sit down with Meredith’s longtime friend Nicole Shephard to talk about the Enneagram, but not in a “put yourself in a number box and stay there forever” kind of way.
Nicole is certified in the Enneagram for Conscious Living, and she helps us think about the Enneagram as a tool for noticing our patterns, understanding ourselves with more kindness, and maybe yelling at our kids slightly less when bedtime goes off the rails (Or at least understanding why we yelled)…baby steps.
Why Moms Will Love This Conversation
Because motherhood has a special way of revealing exactly what is going on inside of us.
* The bedtime routine gets disrupted and suddenly you’re not just annoyed, you’re deeply annoyed.
* Your kid has a meltdown and somehow it activates every unhealed thing inside your body.
* Your spouse says one normal sentence and you’re like, “Wow, interesting tone.”
* You finally get a quiet moment and instead of relaxing, you start mentally reorganizing the pantry, planning summer logistics, and wondering if your child’s entire emotional future depends on how you handled bath time.
So yeah, we need tools to help us navigate the many emotions of motherhood.
And in this conversation, Nicole helps us see the Enneagram as one of those tools. Not to overanalyze everyone in your house. Not to type your toddler. Please do not walk around saying, “She’s giving unhealthy 4 energy” about your preschooler. But to ask better questions about ourselves:
* What’s actually underneath my reaction?
* Is this fear, shame, or anger?
* What pattern do I keep falling into?
* What does my kid need from me right now?
* What do I need right now?
* And Nicole’s favorite: how do I bring a little more compassion into the whole situation?
The Enneagram Is Not Just a Personality Test
Nicole explains that the Enneagram is wayyy more layered than the quick internet version most of us have heard.
Instead of saying, “I am a type,” she uses the phrase “center of gravity,” which feels so much less dramatic and permanent. Your type is not your prison sentence. It’s simply a pattern you tend to return to.
The goal is not to say, “Well, I’m an 8, so good luck everyone.” The goal is to notice the patterns, understand what they were trying to protect, and decide whether they are still helping you now.
Please Don’t Type Your Toddler
One of our favorite parts of this conversation is when Nicole talks about using the Enneagram as a mom.
She is not trying to figure out her kids’ Enneagram numbers while they are still little. Instead, she uses the framework to pay attention to what might be driving their behavior by asking:
“Is this coming from fear, anger, shame?”
A much more useful approach than trying to diagnose every tantrum.
Because sometimes our kids are not “being difficult.” Sometimes they are scared, embarrassed, mad, tired, overstimulated, or all of the above (plus they were given the wrong color cup, which, as we know, is a full family crisis).
Nicole talks about meeting our kids in that place instead of immediately trying to fix or correct the behavior. And that led us into a really tender conversation about our kids’ essence: who they are before the world tells them who they should be.
Yes, we cried a little. 🥹
Marriage, Routines, and the Plans We Keep Not Making
Nicole also talks about instincts (self-preservation, social, and attraction/sexual) and how they show up in real life.
And this is where Holly realizes that she and her husband, Elliott may both lean hard toward structure and routine, which would explain why they can talk about rock climbing for 13 years and never actually go rock climbing.
They have also discussed going to a concert multiple times but still haven’t bought the tickets, because apparently wanting to do something and actually disrupting your routine to do it are two very different activities.
If you have ever said, “We should totally do that,” and then immediately returned to your couch, your calendar, and your regularly scheduled life, this section is for you.
Your Spouse Is Not Supposed to Be You
One of Nicole’s most helpful reminders is that every type, center, and instinct has value.
The point is not to make your spouse, friend, child, or co-worker see the world exactly the way you do. The point is to get curious about what they see that you might be missing.
Nicole talks about how she shares what she is learning with her partner, owns the ways her own patterns affect their family, and tries to see his way of moving through the world as something she can learn from, not just something to correct.
When Other People Won’t “Do the Work”
We also get into the thing many of us feel but maybe do not always say out loud:
It is really frustrating when you are trying to grow, heal, become more self-aware, go to therapy, read the books, listen to the podcasts, take the walks, journal the feelings, and someone else is just… not.
Nicole offers a gentle but very inconvenient reminder: the work always starts with us.
Not because other people’s choices do not matter, not because you should tolerate unhealthy behavior, and not because boundaries are optional.
But because the only person you can actually change is you.
Nicole’s Life in the Cotswolds
Nicole also shares her story of moving to the UK, raising two British-born daughters in the Cotswolds, and what it has looked like to follow a vision for her life that started long before motherhood.
It is dreamy and brave and very “wait, should we all move to the English countryside?”
Listen If…
Listen to this episode if you’ve ever:
* Used the Enneagram to explain yourself and then wondered if that was allowed
* Wanted to understand your reactions instead of just feeling bad about them
* Felt triggered by your child’s totally normal child behavior
* Wanted better language for marriage and conflict
* Had a toddler meltdown turn into a personal growth opportunity you did not ask for
* Said, “We should do that sometime,” and then never did it
* Needed a reminder that self-awareness should make you kinder, not meaner to yourself
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Resources Mentioned to go Deeper Into The Enneagram
Nicole recommended Russ Hudson as her favorite Enneagram teacher and suggested starting with his work if you want to go deeper.
The Wisdom of the Enneagram [https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Enneagram-Psychological-Spiritual-Personality/dp/0553378201] by Don Richard Riso and Russ HudsonA foundational overview of all nine types.
Understanding the Enneagram [https://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Enneagram-Practical-Guide-Personality/dp/0618004157] by Don Richard Riso and Russ HudsonA deeper, more technical resource on the triads and structure of the Enneagram.
The Enneagram: Nine Gateways to Presence [https://www.amazon.com/Enneagram-Nine-Gateways-Presence/dp/B08SR7WMSJ] by Russ HudsonAn audiobook Nicole described as more meditative and embodied, especially helpful for people with a mindfulness practice.
The Enneagram Institute Type Descriptions and Assessment [https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/type-descriptions/]Nicole said an assessment can be a helpful place to start, as long as you treat it as a direction to explore rather than a final answer.
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