Ep. 7: Bill and Susan Morgan — Lighting Up the Moment (Bringing heart and play into daily practice)

Ep. 7: Bill and Susan Morgan — Lighting Up the Moment (Bringing heart and play into daily practice)

In this episode of Living Dharma, co-hosts Tsunma Kunsang Palmo and Justin Kelly sit down with Bill and Susan Morgan, two highly respected voices at the intersection of mindfulness and psychotherapy. With over three decades of teaching together—including a consecutive four-year retreat at the Insight Meditation Society's Forest Refuge—Bill and Susan share their personal evolution away from rigid, hyper-intensive meditation toward an accessible, heart-centered approach.  Drawing from their backgrounds as a psychologist and a psychiatric clinical nurse specialist, they introduce the concept of an "inner holding environment". They explain how leaning into and holding difficult experiences kindly allows for true somatic healing, rather than simply labeling thoughts from a distance.  The conversation also explores the dynamics of long-term spiritual partnership, navigating conflict in spiritual communities without spiritual bypassing, and the power of collective practice. Bill and Susan discuss founding "The Daily Sit" online community during the 2020 pandemic and emphasize using "soft concentration" to soothe overwhelmed nervous systems. Joyful and nurturing, this episode offers practical wisdom for integrating the Dharma through simple rituals, evening gratitude games, and a deep appreciation for the miracle of being alive.

Ep. 6: Susan Kaiser Greenland — Real World Enlightenment (Mindfulness for Kids & Everyday Life)

In this episode of Living Dharma, we sit down with Susan Kaiser Greenland—best-selling author, mindfulness teacher, Mind & Life fellow, and a pioneering voice in bringing contemplative practice into schools and family life. Susan shares her path into meditation through a family health crisis, the challenges of a strong “thinking mind,” and how her legal training helped her navigate secular education settings with precision and care. We explore her foundational principle—“serve the child in front of you now”—and what she’s learned about attention, regulation, and humility from decades of working with young people. Susan also discusses her recent book Real World Enlightenment: Discovering Ordinary Magic in Everyday Life, and offers grounded reflections on practicing compassion and democratic values amid collective anxiety and polarization. A rich, practical conversation about awareness, love, compassion, wisdom—and finding ordinary magic in everyday life.

Ep. 5: Devon Hase — Ritual, Responsibility, and Remembering Why We’re Here

In this grounded and intimate conversation, Devon Hase reflects on Dharma not as abstraction, but as lived responsibility—something enacted through relationship, ritual, and daily attention. Rather than positioning practice as something separate from ordinary life, Devon speaks to the ways discipline, devotion, and meaning emerge through showing up consistently: for community, for grief, for inner listening, and for the world as it is. The conversation explores how ritual functions as a technology of care, how practice matures over time, and why remembering why we practice is as important as how. This episode invites listeners into a quieter understanding of Dharma—one rooted in embodiment, humility, and participation—where practice becomes less about self-improvement and more about belonging to something larger than oneself.

Ep 4: Roshi Joan Halifax — Practice, Activism, and Meeting Death with an Open Heart

In this deeply embodied conversation, Roshi Joan Halifax—Zen teacher, anthropologist, and founder of Upaya Zen Center—explores what it truly means to live Dharma in everyday life. Speaking with rare clarity and tenderness, Roshi Joan reflects on authentic practice as continuous practice: meeting each moment with wholeheartedness, mutuality, and non-separation. Drawing from decades of work in social activism, prison systems, hospice care, and contemplative training, she shares how contemplation and compassionate action are not separate paths, but one integrated way of being. She speaks candidly about suffering, impermanence, and our current global crises—inviting us not to turn away, but to sit in the “charnel grounds” of this world with courage and curiosity. From her own experiences with serious illness to her lifelong work accompanying the dying, Roshi Joan offers a powerful reminder: practice happens inside the life we actually have. This episode is a profound reflection on intimacy with reality, aligning values with intention, cultivating bodhicitta, and discovering how tenderness and resilience can arise even in the most difficult times.

Ep 3: Jonathan F.P. Rose — Applying Dharma to the Healing of Communities, Cities, and the World

What does it truly mean to live the Dharma in today’s complex and interconnected world? In this episode of Living Dharma, hosts Kunsang Palmo and Justin Kelley sit down with Jonathan F. P. Rose—mission-driven developer, contemplative practitioner, and co-founder of the Garrison Institute—for a wide-ranging and deeply grounded conversation on purpose, compassion, and action. Jonathan shares how a formative spiritual experience in nature shaped his lifelong commitment to relieving suffering—not only for humans, but for all sentient beings. Drawing from decades of work in affordable housing, environmental justice, and social innovation, he explores how Buddhist wisdom can guide real-world systems change without losing tenderness or integrity. Together, they discuss the role of daily practice, the protection of the mind in an age of distraction, the importance of sangha, and the balance between vast view and practical application. From the founding of the Garrison Institute to reimagining cities through The Well-Tempered City, this conversation illuminates how Dharma can be lived—not as abstraction, but as embodied responsibility. This episode is an invitation to reflect on how wisdom, compassion, and courage can shape our work, our communities, and our shared future. For more about the path we walk and the wisdom we share, visit the Tergar Institute at: https://tergarinstitute.org/ [https://tergarinstitute.org/]