Why Aave V4 Is Built Like a Central Bank for DeFi | Stani Kulechov

Tapping a Credit Card to Buy Coffee With Bitcoin Is…Kinda Wrong | Strata Research

On this edition of Strata Research, Jacquelyn sits down with institutional research analyst Alex Beaudry to dig into crypto cards, which many assumed were built for consumers but are actually seeing most traction from institutions.  Alex breaks down why the developed market consumer card is basically a feature in search of a need, what Visa is building that could change the equation, and why onchain credit could be the piece of this stack that makes or breaks the whole argument.  Check out the associated Strata Research report for more details: https://www.token-relations.com/p/the-real-story-behind-crypto-cards TIMESTAMPS: 01:21 - What a crypto card actually is and how it works under the hood  03:04 - Why the developed market consumer card hasn't taken off — and may never 07:22 - Where the real value actually is: B2B and institutional usage  08:39 - The acquisition wave and why infrastructure is the real prize 11:46 - Onchain credit: what works and what's still broken  14:01 - What to watch over the next 6–24 months You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps.  Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbC1wRk0yX2xxZG1scWRlZFhHV3V3QkpWR0RJZ3xBQ3Jtc0treGFBUWVDRGYyYWN1UGprSjItckRKNnROZ2x4Sl8yNjZJWnV6SFBVaXMwb2RObm14MDRHUnpZUmFxcWZlbTBfVGtlelF5bl9ObzkxMGNiU1ZwWGJfYllwZFJhZmNxd0pTaklBLUZuaGZfUkVKRWNIRQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ [https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ]  Apple Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDdpM0dxMUp3ZktXNm5tdWJscE5FbEw2ZnJsQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcnI3VHNVR0ctNXdobGZabVEtTE9aVW51OGJhcnZ0UFhmNmVCdHcyVHJQSi1SNGtUeU0xZnVqVUFlak9qaEdvcmRvXzRtWlpYSWpUZkNMZUpuQWZsS3ZWRW5ZelRvQWw4Y2xyYmxwMVdsd2toY3RWNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Ftalking-tokens%2Fid1743669141&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens [https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens]  Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHUwcjYtUXBFODE0VHl6MU1lLVpQUWh0WWMzQXxBQ3Jtc0trQlJkaEg2ZGQwVkpWVFZwcDlsLWZNbW9iVXJuRWx4QVh1ckdVT00wZnZlbU1DU1BjdFRQaW51bkU4Z0ltMmZPZ1ZQdl9LTkM5RFQ5WUdNaGFQc0tJcWg4LXg5UlZ2bEtCS21xb3UtSlBBWjVkYW1KTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbE0zMXV6bkd2SXdNWm5uZkh6UTB3cUNvYXFpQXxBQ3Jtc0tuS2NOM0xHTHBsTnJ6dUhIUmxFem9ON2Nkak82U3dic3NtR0FiMlZNN1UzakVyNlZWcHZteFBqM3Z5WnVRWWc5NFZBZ3hnN2ZNZ0dXM3dnNThITkdMUWlrVlhyTU9McUNyUVRqZ0VIZ2FvUkFSWE92RQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_TalkingTokens&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa21BOHBTUF90bmJzNG5GWFY3aW9RNXlBLU9tUXxBQ3Jtc0trRVFXLTkzbGZtejhia1FoamJfaWNKdDF4aWZHaTRzUnBJWDJVODdaeWdTOTN3eUZnR3lpZlRidmRtcXh1dHdoNWhFUzNOcXA4cmd6U3MtdlJIVnBmRVoxQ0VsRWFOLUNEb3J4UzVyT3JBcXpPMVhkNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2F_talkingtokens%2F&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Evernorth Has 473 Million XRP And An Argument to Why Idle Capital Should Not Exist | Asheesh Birla

On today's Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with Asheesh Birla, CEO of Evernorth, the Ripple-backed digital asset treasury firm holding roughly 473 million XRP tokens, to talk about why he thinks we've finally hit the inflection point that blockchain has been building toward for over a decade.  Asheesh breaks down why most digital assets sit idle the same way cash sits in a bank account, how Evernorth is building a real-time agentic risk engine to change that, and why he believes the winners in this space will be the ones who develop the three pillars of tech, commercialization and liquidity. TIMESTAMPS: 02:00 - The best use case for blockchains 04:16 - The pace of blockchain adoption vs expectations 08:15 - How Evernorth is creating liquidity for XRP and digital assets 10:00 - Industry misconceptions: tech vs adoption focus 11:33 - The Evernorth report findings for RLUSD and XRP  14:11 - The significance of stablecoins for institutional markets 21:01 - The importance of asset optimization and real-time capital management 25:28 - How stablecoins strengthen crypto ecosystems rather than compete 30:33 - Idle capital as an overlooked signal and how to put assets to work 33:00 - Building trust and institutional confidence in blockchain 37:46 - The maturation of DeFi vaults and institutional-grade protocols 40:11 - Preparing Evernorth for listing and success metrics 46:42 - Long-term vision and advice for blockchain enthusiasts You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps.  Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbC1wRk0yX2xxZG1scWRlZFhHV3V3QkpWR0RJZ3xBQ3Jtc0treGFBUWVDRGYyYWN1UGprSjItckRKNnROZ2x4Sl8yNjZJWnV6SFBVaXMwb2RObm14MDRHUnpZUmFxcWZlbTBfVGtlelF5bl9ObzkxMGNiU1ZwWGJfYllwZFJhZmNxd0pTaklBLUZuaGZfUkVKRWNIRQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ [https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ]  Apple Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDdpM0dxMUp3ZktXNm5tdWJscE5FbEw2ZnJsQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcnI3VHNVR0ctNXdobGZabVEtTE9aVW51OGJhcnZ0UFhmNmVCdHcyVHJQSi1SNGtUeU0xZnVqVUFlak9qaEdvcmRvXzRtWlpYSWpUZkNMZUpuQWZsS3ZWRW5ZelRvQWw4Y2xyYmxwMVdsd2toY3RWNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Ftalking-tokens%2Fid1743669141&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens [https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens]  Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHUwcjYtUXBFODE0VHl6MU1lLVpQUWh0WWMzQXxBQ3Jtc0trQlJkaEg2ZGQwVkpWVFZwcDlsLWZNbW9iVXJuRWx4QVh1ckdVT00wZnZlbU1DU1BjdFRQaW51bkU4Z0ltMmZPZ1ZQdl9LTkM5RFQ5WUdNaGFQc0tJcWg4LXg5UlZ2bEtCS21xb3UtSlBBWjVkYW1KTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbE0zMXV6bkd2SXdNWm5uZkh6UTB3cUNvYXFpQXxBQ3Jtc0tuS2NOM0xHTHBsTnJ6dUhIUmxFem9ON2Nkak82U3dic3NtR0FiMlZNN1UzakVyNlZWcHZteFBqM3Z5WnVRWWc5NFZBZ3hnN2ZNZ0dXM3dnNThITkdMUWlrVlhyTU9McUNyUVRqZ0VIZ2FvUkFSWE92RQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_TalkingTokens&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa21BOHBTUF90bmJzNG5GWFY3aW9RNXlBLU9tUXxBQ3Jtc0trRVFXLTkzbGZtejhia1FoamJfaWNKdDF4aWZHaTRzUnBJWDJVODdaeWdTOTN3eUZnR3lpZlRidmRtcXh1dHdoNWhFUzNOcXA4cmd6U3MtdlJIVnBmRVoxQ0VsRWFOLUNEb3J4UzVyT3JBcXpPMVhkNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2F_talkingtokens%2F&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Why Aave V4 Is Built Like a Central Bank for DeFi | Stani Kulechov

On today's Talking Tokens, we're sharing Jacquelyn’s Proof of Talk chat with Stani Kulechov, founder and CEO of Aave Labs, to break down why Aave V4 moved away from a single monolithic protocol toward a hub and spoke model that works more like a central bank. Stani gets into why a lot of centralized lenders didn't hold up through both the FTX collapse and last October's market unwind. Then Stani explains why he thinks the next real growth phase for DeFi comes from financing things like AI infrastructure, tokenized equity, and credit for businesses that have never had access to capital this efficient before. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction to Aave and Stani Kulechov 03:09 Evolution from Aave V3 to Aave V4 06:03 Risk Management in DeFi 08:45 Building Network Resilience 11:58 Aave V4 and Corporate Treasury Management 14:48 Tokenized Assets and Aave Horizon 18:11 Institutional Interest in Tokenization 20:52 Mainstream Adoption of DeFi 24:02 Future Vision for Aave You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps.  Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbC1wRk0yX2xxZG1scWRlZFhHV3V3QkpWR0RJZ3xBQ3Jtc0treGFBUWVDRGYyYWN1UGprSjItckRKNnROZ2x4Sl8yNjZJWnV6SFBVaXMwb2RObm14MDRHUnpZUmFxcWZlbTBfVGtlelF5bl9ObzkxMGNiU1ZwWGJfYllwZFJhZmNxd0pTaklBLUZuaGZfUkVKRWNIRQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ [https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ]  Apple Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDdpM0dxMUp3ZktXNm5tdWJscE5FbEw2ZnJsQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcnI3VHNVR0ctNXdobGZabVEtTE9aVW51OGJhcnZ0UFhmNmVCdHcyVHJQSi1SNGtUeU0xZnVqVUFlak9qaEdvcmRvXzRtWlpYSWpUZkNMZUpuQWZsS3ZWRW5ZelRvQWw4Y2xyYmxwMVdsd2toY3RWNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Ftalking-tokens%2Fid1743669141&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens [https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens]  Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHUwcjYtUXBFODE0VHl6MU1lLVpQUWh0WWMzQXxBQ3Jtc0trQlJkaEg2ZGQwVkpWVFZwcDlsLWZNbW9iVXJuRWx4QVh1ckdVT00wZnZlbU1DU1BjdFRQaW51bkU4Z0ltMmZPZ1ZQdl9LTkM5RFQ5WUdNaGFQc0tJcWg4LXg5UlZ2bEtCS21xb3UtSlBBWjVkYW1KTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbE0zMXV6bkd2SXdNWm5uZkh6UTB3cUNvYXFpQXxBQ3Jtc0tuS2NOM0xHTHBsTnJ6dUhIUmxFem9ON2Nkak82U3dic3NtR0FiMlZNN1UzakVyNlZWcHZteFBqM3Z5WnVRWWc5NFZBZ3hnN2ZNZ0dXM3dnNThITkdMUWlrVlhyTU9McUNyUVRqZ0VIZ2FvUkFSWE92RQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_TalkingTokens&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa21BOHBTUF90bmJzNG5GWFY3aW9RNXlBLU9tUXxBQ3Jtc0trRVFXLTkzbGZtejhia1FoamJfaWNKdDF4aWZHaTRzUnBJWDJVODdaeWdTOTN3eUZnR3lpZlRidmRtcXh1dHdoNWhFUzNOcXA4cmd6U3MtdlJIVnBmRVoxQ0VsRWFOLUNEb3J4UzVyT3JBcXpPMVhkNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2F_talkingtokens%2F&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Why MoneyGram Built Its Own Stablecoin Instead of Using Someone Else's | Anthony Soohoo, MoneyGram

On today's Talking Tokens, Jacquelyn sits down with MoneyGram CEO Anthony Soohoo to talk about MGUSD, the company's new dollar-backed stablecoin built on Stellar with help from Bridge, Fireblocks, and M0. Anthony explores why launching MoneyGram decided to have its own stablecoin and breaks down how its 60 million active customers and nearly 500,000 retail locations across 200 countries play a role in it. Jacquelyn and Anthony also discuss why the real winners in this space might be the ones who make stablecoins disappear into the background entirely and how the asset can have a dual role in finance. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction to MGUSD and MoneyGram's Vision 03:04 The Complexity of Cross-Border Payments 06:31 Leveraging Existing Infrastructure for Adoption 10:15 The Role of Cash in a Digital Future 12:35 Stablecoins as a Preferred Payment Method 14:09 Self-Custody and User Education 18:22 The Future of Stablecoins and Consumer Adoption 21:33 Navigating Regional Differences in Adoption 24:07 Stablecoins vs. Traditional Banking 25:52 Choosing the Right Partners for MGUSD 28:40 The Dual Role of Stablecoins in Finance 31:21 Lessons from the Crypto Industry 34:51 Advice for Success in the Financial Space You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps.  Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbC1wRk0yX2xxZG1scWRlZFhHV3V3QkpWR0RJZ3xBQ3Jtc0treGFBUWVDRGYyYWN1UGprSjItckRKNnROZ2x4Sl8yNjZJWnV6SFBVaXMwb2RObm14MDRHUnpZUmFxcWZlbTBfVGtlelF5bl9ObzkxMGNiU1ZwWGJfYllwZFJhZmNxd0pTaklBLUZuaGZfUkVKRWNIRQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ [https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ]  Apple Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDdpM0dxMUp3ZktXNm5tdWJscE5FbEw2ZnJsQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcnI3VHNVR0ctNXdobGZabVEtTE9aVW51OGJhcnZ0UFhmNmVCdHcyVHJQSi1SNGtUeU0xZnVqVUFlak9qaEdvcmRvXzRtWlpYSWpUZkNMZUpuQWZsS3ZWRW5ZelRvQWw4Y2xyYmxwMVdsd2toY3RWNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Ftalking-tokens%2Fid1743669141&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens [https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens]  Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHUwcjYtUXBFODE0VHl6MU1lLVpQUWh0WWMzQXxBQ3Jtc0trQlJkaEg2ZGQwVkpWVFZwcDlsLWZNbW9iVXJuRWx4QVh1ckdVT00wZnZlbU1DU1BjdFRQaW51bkU4Z0ltMmZPZ1ZQdl9LTkM5RFQ5WUdNaGFQc0tJcWg4LXg5UlZ2bEtCS21xb3UtSlBBWjVkYW1KTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbE0zMXV6bkd2SXdNWm5uZkh6UTB3cUNvYXFpQXxBQ3Jtc0tuS2NOM0xHTHBsTnJ6dUhIUmxFem9ON2Nkak82U3dic3NtR0FiMlZNN1UzakVyNlZWcHZteFBqM3Z5WnVRWWc5NFZBZ3hnN2ZNZ0dXM3dnNThITkdMUWlrVlhyTU9McUNyUVRqZ0VIZ2FvUkFSWE92RQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_TalkingTokens&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa21BOHBTUF90bmJzNG5GWFY3aW9RNXlBLU9tUXxBQ3Jtc0trRVFXLTkzbGZtejhia1FoamJfaWNKdDF4aWZHaTRzUnBJWDJVODdaeWdTOTN3eUZnR3lpZlRidmRtcXh1dHdoNWhFUzNOcXA4cmd6U3MtdlJIVnBmRVoxQ0VsRWFOLUNEb3J4UzVyT3JBcXpPMVhkNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2F_talkingtokens%2F&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.

Why Every Institution Should Be Staking ETH | Kean Gilbert, Lido

On today's Talking Tokenization, Jacquelyn sits down with Kean Gilbert, Head of Institutional Relations at the Lido Ecosystem Foundation, to talk about how liquid staking is finally breaking into traditional finance.  From the WisdomTree staked ETH ETP in Europe to VanEck's recently filed S-1 for a Lido staked ETF in the US, Kean breaks down why institutions are asking sharper questions than ever before, how depth of liquidity is the single biggest driver behind Lido winning institutional mandates, and why he sees there's no good reason to hold unstaked ETH when you can get the same exposure with 3%. TIMESTAMPS 00:00 Introduction to Lido 03:00 Growth of Ethereum Staking and Institutional Interest 05:59 Understanding DAO Structures and Institutional Education 09:05 Tokenization and Its Impact on the Industry 11:58 The Role of Custodians in Institutional Crypto 14:58 Risk Management in Staking and Smart Contracts 17:56 The Role of Staking in Current Markets 19:04 Integration of Staking with Traditional Finance 20:04 Regional Perspectives on Staking Adoption 21:55 Timeline for Global Adoption of Staking 22:22 Market Outlook and Building in Bear Cycles 24:43 ETF Interest and Market Dynamics 25:54 The Importance of Retail in Staking 27:17 Unlocking the Next Wave of Adoption 28:56 Impact of Tokenization on Business Operations 30:41 The Evolution of Institutional Conversations 33:40 Long-Term Thinking in Crypto You can subscribe to the podcast on Spotify, Apple or YouTube. If you enjoy the show, please leave a review — it really helps.  Spotify: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbC1wRk0yX2xxZG1scWRlZFhHV3V3QkpWR0RJZ3xBQ3Jtc0treGFBUWVDRGYyYWN1UGprSjItckRKNnROZ2x4Sl8yNjZJWnV6SFBVaXMwb2RObm14MDRHUnpZUmFxcWZlbTBfVGtlelF5bl9ObzkxMGNiU1ZwWGJfYllwZFJhZmNxd0pTaklBLUZuaGZfUkVKRWNIRQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fopen.spotify.com%2Fshow%2F0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ [https://open.spotify.com/show/0LOgWxIQ0NnNUD5eXsSuoZ]  Apple Podcasts: https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbDdpM0dxMUp3ZktXNm5tdWJscE5FbEw2ZnJsQXxBQ3Jtc0ttcnI3VHNVR0ctNXdobGZabVEtTE9aVW51OGJhcnZ0UFhmNmVCdHcyVHJQSi1SNGtUeU0xZnVqVUFlak9qaEdvcmRvXzRtWlpYSWpUZkNMZUpuQWZsS3ZWRW5ZelRvQWw4Y2xyYmxwMVdsd2toY3RWNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Ftalking-tokens%2Fid1743669141&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141 [https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/talking-tokens/id1743669141] YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens [https://www.youtube.com/@TalkingTokens]  Follow us on X Jacquelyn:   / jacqmelinek  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbHUwcjYtUXBFODE0VHl6MU1lLVpQUWh0WWMzQXxBQ3Jtc0trQlJkaEg2ZGQwVkpWVFZwcDlsLWZNbW9iVXJuRWx4QVh1ckdVT00wZnZlbU1DU1BjdFRQaW51bkU4Z0ltMmZPZ1ZQdl9LTkM5RFQ5WUdNaGFQc0tJcWg4LXg5UlZ2bEtCS21xb3UtSlBBWjVkYW1KTQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjacqmelinek&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Talking Tokens:   / _talkingtokens  [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbE0zMXV6bkd2SXdNWm5uZkh6UTB3cUNvYXFpQXxBQ3Jtc0tuS2NOM0xHTHBsTnJ6dUhIUmxFem9ON2Nkak82U3dic3NtR0FiMlZNN1UzakVyNlZWcHZteFBqM3Z5WnVRWWc5NFZBZ3hnN2ZNZ0dXM3dnNThITkdMUWlrVlhyTU9McUNyUVRqZ0VIZ2FvUkFSWE92RQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2F_TalkingTokens&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0]  Follow us on Instagram   / _talkingtokens   [https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa21BOHBTUF90bmJzNG5GWFY3aW9RNXlBLU9tUXxBQ3Jtc0trRVFXLTkzbGZtejhia1FoamJfaWNKdDF4aWZHaTRzUnBJWDJVODdaeWdTOTN3eUZnR3lpZlRidmRtcXh1dHdoNWhFUzNOcXA4cmd6U3MtdlJIVnBmRVoxQ0VsRWFOLUNEb3J4UzVyT3JBcXpPMVhkNA&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2F_talkingtokens%2F&v=bHnKqwU_Pm0] Note: This podcast is for informational purposes only. Views shared are opinions, not financial advice. The host or guests may have financial interests in discussed content.