The Josh Button Podcast
He has six herniated discs. No ACLs. Arthritic hands and fingers that are now permanently deformed. And he loves jiu-jitsu. Professor Jay Pages — founder of one of Arizona's premier no-gi academies and a black belt through the BGJ Revolution Carlson Gracie team — joins Josh Button to talk about the physical cost of training hard without training smart, what thirty years on the mats taught him about the gi vs. no-gi question, and why ecological dynamics is not the debate most people think it is.For midlife jiu-jitsu practitioners, BJJ over 40 athletes, and anyone who wants to still be on the mats in their 60s — this is the episode that changes how you think about every session.Topics covered:→ Brooklyn to Arizona: how three decades of jiu-jitsu built one of the state's best no-gi programs→ The real physical cost of gi training — arthritic hands, permanently deformed fingers, constant grip tension→ The Marcelo Garcia principle: minimize the gap between your gi and no-gi games→ Why constant gi tension is harder on midlife athletes than no-gi frames and wedges→ Direct vs. indirect control — what the gi teaches vs. what no-gi forces you to build→ Size and strength in gi vs. no-gi — the honest answer nobody wants to give→ Starting jiu-jitsu late in life: the structural advantage most people don't recognize→ What ecological dynamics actually means — and why the debate is mostly a misunderstanding→ The problem with conventional warm-ups and what small-sided games do instead→ The constraint spectrum: from non-representative games to situational sparring→ Dead drilling vs. live drilling — and why the Faris Zahabi argument is correct but incomplete→ Why zero-sum games build resistance without manufactured compliance→ Cherry-picking fights, refusing to tap, and the pride tax on an athletic career→ Roger Gracie's warning: if you don't tap, you'll be a cripple when you're older→ Competition advice for midlife grapplers: use the first event as a baseline, not a performance→ Build a game your body can actually do — on everyone→ The Breathe or Tap connection: why the adrenaline dump and the ego problem are the same nervous system issue→ One word: Fun→ Breathe or Tap — breathwork for jiu-jitsu and midlife recovery:Watch at ThatJiujiteiro.com or search Breathe or Tap on YouTube @thatjiujiteiro━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━━🔗 Find Jay Pages:Instagram: @jayjpages🔗 Lineage Provisions — Official Podcast Partner:15% off with code JOSHBUTTON at lineageprovisions.comOr grab the link in bio🔗 Find Josh:Instagram: @thatjiujiteiro | @stopkillingtheplantsWebsite: joshbutton.com Jay Pages, Jay Pages Jiu Jitsu & MMA, @jayjpages, gi vs no-gi BJJ, ecological dynamics, constraint-led approach, CLA BJJ, BJJ warm-ups, small-sided games, BJJ longevity, BJJ over 40, BJJ after 40, midlife jiu-jitsu, midlife combat athlete, train smart BJJ, Carlson Gracie, Marcelo Garcia, competition mindset BJJ, ego in BJJ, Breathe or Tap, hard to kill in midlife, hard to kill, staying on the mats, BJJ recovery over 40, training after 40, that jiujiteiro, stop killing the plants, josh button podcast, ep102, lineage provisions, no-gi BJJ, BJJ competition midlife
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