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AI and the Church with Arlie Coles and George Sumner

57 min · 12. maalis 202657 min
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How should Anglicans feel about AI? But first: what the heck is it? Our guests today tackle one of the toughest topics of our time head on, from both a theological and technical perspective. What is AI? Is it unprecedented? What can AI currently, actually, do? Should Christians accept, or resist?  As Christians, it’s often hard to know whether to embrace new technology. If we get worked up or freaked out, is it about the right things? Where might we still need to fill in gaps in our knowledge or our discipleship? Are we living in The Matrix? Or can we let the robots help, sometimes, and still insist on fully human lives? Our guests today are Arlie Coles and the Rt. Rev. Dr. George Sumner. Arlie is a lay Anglican from the Diocese of Dallas who writes about modern Episcopal history and polity. She is also a machine-learning researcher serving on General Convention’s Task Force on Artificial Intelligence and Intellectual Property and a reporter for the Living Church. Bishop George is retired Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Dallas and former Principal of Wycliffe Theological Seminary. The Rev. Dr. Matthew Olver, Executive Director of the Living Church, joins Amber Noel as co-host. We talk about: * How AI taps into our instincts for communication, mystery, and relationship. * How this both increases its usefulness and gives us the creeps. * What AI is good for and not good for (spoiler, not writing sermons). * Pastoral concerns about spiritual influence, addiction, and human dignity. * Whether we need an Anglican “Prayer Before Using AI.” * Why you might want to go full Star Trek and rename your Alexa “Computer” so you’re less likely to mistake a tool for a person. The forms and capacities of human tools are not neutral— a steak knife, an AR-15, and a Ouija board do not carry the same potential for moral or immoral use— but, like the idols of old, do AI tools, which have “screens but see not, algorithms but feel not,” receive the power and significance they have only from the power and significance we give them? One of the biggest dangers of AI comes from one of humanity’s greatest gifts: language and its use in relationships. We hope you enjoy the conversation. From this episode: Living Church articles on AI [https://livingchurch.org/tag/artificial-intelligence/] “AI as Normal Technology” by Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor [https://kfai-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/0ee1da899a/AI-as-Normal-Technology---Narayanan---Kapoor-Final.pdf] Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/756181/against-the-machine-by-paul-kingsnorth/] Interview with Paul Kingsnorth and Ross Douthat about AI [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5wdJqJ708U] Find Nathan Jennings’ 6-part preaching series on our online journal, Covenant [https://livingchurch.org/author/njennings/] From the ads: Advertise with TLC: advertising@livingchurch.org [advertising@livingchurch.org] Email us with a proposed "Prayer Before Using AI": ambernoel@livingchurch.org [ambernoel@livingchurch.org] Livingchurch.org/resources [https://livingchurch.org/resources] Give to support this podcast [https://livingchurch.org/give] Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands]

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Mission and discipleship are connected at the root. Today we’re going to explore some of those connections, not only through our guest’s own life, but also through her experience with particular discipleship programs, as well as what she’s learned through a first career as a geographer and her husband’s career as a mechanic. Our guest today is the Rt. Rev. Dr. Eleanor Sanderson. Eleanor is Bishop of Hull in the Diocese of York and was previously the Assistant Bishop in the Diocese of Wellington, New Zealand. She serves on the Anglican Communion Commission for Discipleship and Evangelism and has a passion for the renewal of God’s church through multiplying missional disciples and intentional communities. Today we talk about personal journeys: backpacking, bus rides, and the multifaceted adventure of coming to Christ. We also talk about helping guide others along the way, and how evangelism and community map onto the geography of discipleship and formation. We’ll also look at a practical apprenticeship model of discipleship she calls “discipleship coaching.” She suggests some excellent resources and describes their powerful but simple format, including Mustard Seed ministries and Discovery Bible Studies. And at the end of this episode, stay tuned for a new bonus segment! For today’s bonus segment, we chat with the Rev. Shahzad Gill, Senior Chaplain to the Moderator Bishop of the Church of Pakistan, and Presbyter in Charge of the National Church of Pakistan. With all the anxiety over Christian influence and power in politics and society in the U.S., what it’s like to be an Anglican in a place where Christians are hardly the majority? Shahzad tells a story about family and resilience. From this episode: Mustard Seed discipleship [https://www.mseed.org/]  Discovery Bible Studies [https://library.intervarsity.org/library/discovery-bible-study]  From the ads: Give to support the Living Church [https://sub.livingchurch.org/sub/?f=donate&p=LCM] Register for Radiant Pages [https://livingchurch.org/events/radiant-pages/] Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands]

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What’s your school of prayer? Where did you learn to pray? How do you continue to deepen your prayer life? Whose prayer life do you want to have when you grow up? How do you want the example of your prayer life, or the fruits of it, to be a gift to others? Today’s conversation is about how prayer affects our leadership, and how our pastors’ prayer lives affect us. Whether you are the leader of a congregation, staff, or a person in the pew, our show today is a fascinating, and at times moving, analysis of how healthy leadership, staff culture, and church health are deeply intertwined with the prayer lives of the leaders. Our conversation isn’t based on formal research, but from the lived perspective of one priest and what he’s observed in the different churches and rectors he’s served. Our guest today is the Rev. John D. Sundara. John is vice rector at St. John the Divine Episcopal Church in Houston, Texas. Previous appointments include St. Martin's, Houston, and Church of the Incarnation, Dallas. We’ll talk about things like: * The importance of sharing your prayer life with the people you serve. * Appropriate vulnerability and rejecting ego. * How a culture of prayer creates room for discussion, disagreement, and decision-making. * Ways that prayer nurtures a trusting and confident staff culture. * The gifts and limitations of the prayer book for carrying us in a life of prayer. John also shares about his journey, and times when prayer has been agonizingly difficult. How does God show up when praying is the last thing you want to do? Now whether you are a newbie or long time student in the school of prayer; sailing along or bottomed out; charismatic, Catholic, evangelical, or somewhere else on the map; if you’re interested in what it can mean to lead from a place of prayer, this episode is for you. We hope you enjoy the conversation. From this episode: This episode is made possible in part by a special bequest from the Anglican Fellowship of Prayer [https://livingchurch.org/news/news-episcopal-church/anglican-fellowship-of-prayer-passes-the-baton-to-tlc/]. “Prayer Drives Congregational Growth” [https://livingchurch.org/covenant/prayer-drives-congregational-growth/] by John Sundara With Christ in the School of Prayer [https://www.thriftbooks.com/browse/?b.search=with+christ+in+the+school+of+prayer#b.s=mostPopular-desc&b.p=1&b.pp=50&b.oos&b.tile] by Andrew Murray From the ads: Give to support this podcast [https://livingchurch.org/give] Join the mission at Saint Francis Ministries [https://saintfrancisministries.org/mission] Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands]

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jakson AI and the Church with Arlie Coles and George Sumner kansikuva

AI and the Church with Arlie Coles and George Sumner

How should Anglicans feel about AI? But first: what the heck is it? Our guests today tackle one of the toughest topics of our time head on, from both a theological and technical perspective. What is AI? Is it unprecedented? What can AI currently, actually, do? Should Christians accept, or resist?  As Christians, it’s often hard to know whether to embrace new technology. If we get worked up or freaked out, is it about the right things? Where might we still need to fill in gaps in our knowledge or our discipleship? Are we living in The Matrix? Or can we let the robots help, sometimes, and still insist on fully human lives? Our guests today are Arlie Coles and the Rt. Rev. Dr. George Sumner. Arlie is a lay Anglican from the Diocese of Dallas who writes about modern Episcopal history and polity. She is also a machine-learning researcher serving on General Convention’s Task Force on Artificial Intelligence and Intellectual Property and a reporter for the Living Church. Bishop George is retired Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Dallas and former Principal of Wycliffe Theological Seminary. The Rev. Dr. Matthew Olver, Executive Director of the Living Church, joins Amber Noel as co-host. We talk about: * How AI taps into our instincts for communication, mystery, and relationship. * How this both increases its usefulness and gives us the creeps. * What AI is good for and not good for (spoiler, not writing sermons). * Pastoral concerns about spiritual influence, addiction, and human dignity. * Whether we need an Anglican “Prayer Before Using AI.” * Why you might want to go full Star Trek and rename your Alexa “Computer” so you’re less likely to mistake a tool for a person. The forms and capacities of human tools are not neutral— a steak knife, an AR-15, and a Ouija board do not carry the same potential for moral or immoral use— but, like the idols of old, do AI tools, which have “screens but see not, algorithms but feel not,” receive the power and significance they have only from the power and significance we give them? One of the biggest dangers of AI comes from one of humanity’s greatest gifts: language and its use in relationships. We hope you enjoy the conversation. From this episode: Living Church articles on AI [https://livingchurch.org/tag/artificial-intelligence/] “AI as Normal Technology” by Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor [https://kfai-documents.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/0ee1da899a/AI-as-Normal-Technology---Narayanan---Kapoor-Final.pdf] Against the Machine by Paul Kingsnorth [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/756181/against-the-machine-by-paul-kingsnorth/] Interview with Paul Kingsnorth and Ross Douthat about AI [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5wdJqJ708U] Find Nathan Jennings’ 6-part preaching series on our online journal, Covenant [https://livingchurch.org/author/njennings/] From the ads: Advertise with TLC: advertising@livingchurch.org [advertising@livingchurch.org] Email us with a proposed "Prayer Before Using AI": ambernoel@livingchurch.org [ambernoel@livingchurch.org] Livingchurch.org/resources [https://livingchurch.org/resources] Give to support this podcast [https://livingchurch.org/give] Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands [https://redcircle.com/brands]

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