Dr. Christine Marie - Undercover in a Cult Town: Taking Down False Prophet Sam Bateman

Jasper Hoffman, Part 1 - From Atheists to Mennonites

This week, the girls are joined by Jasper Hoffman, writer, podcaster, and former Mennonite. In part one, she explains how her parents went from a being punk rock atheist and an anthropology major to homesteading, homeschooling, and going to church: first a non-denominational one, and then a Mennonite church that came to town for “Revival Week” when Jasper was a kid. She’ll describe how it then escalated to her family moving to the Midwest, getting rid of all of their material possessions, and committing wholeheartedly to being Mennonites, with redacted encyclopedias and physical punishment in the basement for children who were considered rebellious–and why she was forbidden from going back to school. Plus, stay tuned for part two next week, in which she tells her story of leaving the church. SOURCES The Plain People's Podcast [https://www.theplainpeoplespodcast.com/] See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Dr. Christine Marie - Undercover in a Cult Town: Taking Down False Prophet Sam Bateman

This week, Lola’s mom Dr. Christine Marie (and the podcast’s very first guest!) comes back on the show to talk about moving to FLDS town Short Creek, how she and Lola’s stepdad Tolga earned the trust of new self-proclaimed polygamist prophet Sam Bateman, and what else was going on behind the scenes of what’s in the Netflix docuseries Trust Me: The False Prophet. She’ll tell the girls about her frustrations with the speed of the case, what it was like going undercover with the FBI, the bravery of all of the women involved, and being there for the raid that finally landed him in prison for sexual abuse. See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Nikki G, Part 2 - The Seven Mountain Mandate, “Church Hurt,” and Why Cults Aren’t Just a White People Problem

In part two with Nikki G., she discusses more of the high-control groups she joined, the political project of the Seven Mountain Mandate that she was part of, the connection between biblical concepts of obedience and white supremacy, and how everyone joins cults, even if white people are the biggest group talking about it. Plus, the difference between “church hurt” and religious trauma. SOURCES Surviving the Black Church Podcast [https://survivingtheblackchurch.buzzsprout.com/] Black Religious Trauma Recovery Network [https://www.blackreligioustraumarecoverynetwork.com/] Nikki G. Speaks [https://www.nikkigspeaks.com/] See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Nikki G, Part 1 - Down the Rabbit Hole, Cult Hopping, and Surviving the Black Church

This week, Nikki G., host of Surviving the Black Church and survivor of FIVE different high-control groups, discusses joining the first church on her cult-hopping journey, how she got initially pulled down the rabbit hole by conspiracy theories and the Book of Revelation, and the intensity and community that drew her to each group. She tells the girls about her second and more radical group, IHOP (International House of Prayer), how she eventually learned the term “religious addiction,” and why the idea of “waiting for your Boaz,” or your perfect husband, can be so harmful for women in the church. SOURCES Surviving the Black Church Podcast [https://survivingtheblackchurch.buzzsprout.com/] Black Religious Trauma Recovery Network [https://www.blackreligioustraumarecoverynetwork.com/] Nikki G. Speaks [https://www.nikkigspeaks.com/]   See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.

Maria Bamford - 12 Step Programs, OCD, and How to Join Every Group

This week, Lola and Meagan are joined by comic, actor, and author of Sure I’ll Join Your Cult, Maria Bamford. The girls discuss Maria’s childhood OCD, intrusive thoughts, and the ways those experiences primed her to seek support, structure, and belonging through a variety of groups later in life. They explore culty (but helpful!) aspects of 12 step programs like Debtors Anonymous and Al-Anon, along with the many other communities she’s loved and joined along the way. Maria also shares her experience with eating disorders, going to treatment in her twenties, and the controversial Suzuki Method through which she learned violin as a child. See omnystudio.com/listener [https://omnystudio.com/listener] for privacy information.