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In this episode of unDUBBED, we’re joined by Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic, founder of Storytelling with Data and one of the most influential voices in data storytelling and data visualisation. Cole shares practical, real-world insights on why data often fails to drive decisions - even when the analysis is right - and how to shift from simply showing data to actually influencing outcomes. From her journey through banking and Google’s People Analytics team to building a global data storytelling movement, this conversation is packed with actionable techniques to help you communicate data with clarity, purpose, and impact. 🔑 MAIN TOPICS Why data fails to drive decisions - and how to fix it The shift from showing data to explaining data Audience-first thinking in data storytelling Structuring communication using the narrative arc The role of iteration, feedback, and time in crafting data stories When to use dashboards vs storytelling The risks and realities of AI in data visualisation 📌 IN THIS EPISODE Cole’s journey from banking to Google and founding Storytelling with Data How data visualisation became a critical business communication skill Why designing for yourself (not your audience) is the biggest mistake in data The difference between exploring data vs explaining data How to use titles, annotations, and contrast to guide attention The power of low-fidelity prototyping and iteration for alignment Why most data presentations follow a “selfish” structure - and how to fix it Using the narrative arc to create tension and drive action How to develop a clear “Big Idea” before building anything The role of AI in data storytelling - speed vs risk, and hallucinations Common chart mistakes, including unnecessary detail and poor audience focus ⏱️ CHAPTERS 00:00 - Introduction to data storytelling with Cole Nussbaumer Knaflic 02:12 - Cole's journey from banking to data visualization at Google 03:45 - The importance of clear visual communication in business 06:46 - Teaching data visualization at Google and creating impact 08:45 - The storytelling ecosystem: books, workshops, community 10:48 - Making data concepts accessible and engaging 13:33 - The collaborative process behind “Storytelling with Data: Before and After” 17:17 - The power of the “before and after” in data improvement 18:10 - The storytelling process as a “glow up” for data 19:01 - Tools and techniques for rapid prototyping and iteration 20:41 - Strategies for understanding the audience and customizing communication 23:52 - Using low-tech methods for stakeholder alignment 27:03 - Balancing detail with clarity: avoiding overwhelm 29:54 - Differentiating between storytelling and dashboards 33:10 - Structuring data communication as a narrative arc 36:39 - The importance of concise messaging and annotations 46:16 - Layering information to enhance understanding 50:52 - Developing the “Big Idea”: clear, impactful core message 55:43 - The role of AI and machine-generated charts in modern data storytelling 64:10 - Common chart crimes and things to stop doing 64:47 - Final takeaways: prioritize audience understanding and time 66:09 - Resources, books, and ways to connect with Cole 🔗 RESOURCES & LINKS Storytelling with Data → https://www.storytellingwithdata.com Storytelling with Data: Before and After (book) → https://www.storytellingwithdata.com/before-and-after Daphne Draws Data → https://daphnedrawsdata.com Tableau → https://www.tableau.com Figma → https://www.figma.com AI tools → https://claude.ai [https://claude.ai] | https://chat.openai.com 🔗 CONNECT WITH COLE NUSSBAUMER KNAFLIC LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/colenussbaumerknaflic Website → https://www.storytellingwithdata.com 🧠 KEY TAKEAWAYS Data alone doesn’t drive decisions - clear communication does If your audience doesn’t know what to do, your data has failed Start with the audience and the action, not the analysis Use storytelling to create tension, clarity, and direction AI can accelerate workflows - but human judgment remains critical
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