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What if the path that didn't work out was actually the one preparing you for exactly where you're supposed to be? Career and leadership coach Jenna Bottolfsen joins me for a conversation about the unexpected pivots, restarts, and pauses that shape us — and why the thing you thought was a setback might actually be the most important step in your story. Jenna went from 25 years in corporate HR to a failed first attempt at entrepreneurship right as COVID hit, back to corporate, and then into the unexpected opportunity of purchasing an established business. She now runs Wallace Associates, helping people navigate career transitions, clarify their value, and take confident next steps. This conversation is full of practical tools and permission-giving perspective for anyone sitting with uncertainty about what comes next. Highlights * Why "detours are signs too" — and how Cleo Wade's poem frames the entire conversation * The difference between a failure and a learning opportunity, and why Jenna refuses to use the word failure * How letting go of a corporate title is often the hardest — and most necessary — first step * The role values and purpose play when someone feels stuck or out of alignment in their career * Why Jenna starts every client conversation with, "What got you into this field in the first place?" * The power of "five seconds of insane courage" — and how you don't have to be brave for long, just long enough * Two practical tools: the "You Are Here" exercise and the Worst Case Scenario spiral * Why "expectations are the killer of joy" — and how loosening them opens the door to forward movement * The mindset shift from "this has to be forever" to "what's my next right step?" * How a friend's grief over a missed promotion led to the realization that the job she didn't get was actually protecting what mattered most to her Chapters 0:00 — Introduction & About Jenna 2:02 — Detours Are Signs (Cleo Wade poem) 2:44 — Milestone Catch-Up 3:44 — Jenna's COVID Leap & Return to Corporate 4:52 — Buying Wallace Associates 6:07 — Resilience After Setbacks 8:10 — Five Seconds of Courage 10:26 — Audra's First Business Lesson 12:35 — Detours & Alignment 15:39 — Questions for When You're Feeling Stuck 20:09 — Letting Go of Identity 24:55 — The "You Are Here" & Worst Case Scenario Tools 28:19 — The Next Right Step Mindset 31:33 — Closing: Loosen Your Expectations Resources Mentioned * In a World of Sunrises by Cleo Wade [https://cleowade.com/] — the book Audra references and from which she reads the "Detours are signs too" poem * Wallace Associates [https://www.wallaceassociates.com/] — Jenna Bottolfsen's career and leadership coaching business * The Next Right Thing podcast [https://emilypfreeman.com/podcast/] Want to learn more? The Thread [https://www.thethreadwlc.com/] Be sure to follow me @audradinell on Instagram and LinkedIn This show is part of the ICT Podcast Network [https://www.ictpod.net]. Disclaimer: we may receive a small commission on any products purchased through the links used in this episode. I only recommend tools and resources I actually use and find valuable.
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